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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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Bestbees · 21/01/2021 12:11

@venusandmars good point about the veg. I am certainly eating a lot so I guess maybe people are just writing salad but meaning more.
For example I had around 8 mushrooms and 5 massive lettuce leaves for breakfast. Veg in my omelette for lunch - sprouts and kale, lots of them, with big plate of salad of lettuce Tom's and celery. Dinner will have tons and celery in the sauce, served on a whole plate of greens. I agree with you about sustainability and eating all the veg.

Feeling much better today, think I need way more salt than seems sensible. I have had a pinch in breakfast, an din a coffee and 2 glasses of water with a pinch in. Is that too much? Am I making myself thirstier and into a vicious cycle?

Sorry to those of you whose new scales have added 6lb, very annoying.

I make a lot of coleslaw style salads, and basically add whatever I have, brocoli is nice, and celery/radish/fennel.

LittleMy77 · 21/01/2021 12:11

Day 4 and I’m impressed by my usually terrible willpower which was severely tested last night as I was desperate for an alcoholic drink!

Really struggling for lunches atm that aren’t eggs, cheese or soup. I make soup a lot but it’s never filling and I always want bread with it!

Am off to look at the low carb recipe sites for ideas.

WitchWand · 21/01/2021 12:19

Lovely to read everyone. Again it's taking me a long time to catch up on the thread. But, as requested by BIWI's in her OP, I'm doing this. (I might have to stop working full-time though.)Grin

Thanks for the coleslaw recipes and the interesting thoughts around veganism.

I have lots of work colleagues who are vegans and I'm not. When I sit down at the table with them, I can feel distinctly uncomfortable bringing out my own packed lunch and, what I hope to be a pleasant moment to relax in, can become a tense time where often I sit churning over people's explanations about why veganism is where I should be at. I don't have arguments to counter theirs and sometimes I just feel very uncomfortable more than anything else. ( Not great as time to enjoy lunch together, to be honest.)

I was hoping to use Stuntnun's "cow fart" point to rebuff them. I'd imagined, so they'd the subject matter might mean they'd let me eat my locally produced fatty pork, in peace. But now, since Daily's post I'm not sure if by doing this, I could "spark" off a little bomb- so to speak.

I shall be following the debate on our thread closely. When eating with my colleagues, on top of all the hot air that this discussion often generates, I wouldn't want to have to eat my own words too. Blush

Primitivo · 21/01/2021 12:22

We often have a nice Japanese coleslaw at home:

Ginger and cabbage salad:

-Finely sliced red and white cabbage (I use mandolin, but a big knife also works really well)
-Grated garlic
-Grated ginger
-Big slug of sesame oil
-Splash of soy

Massage together, which shrinks the cabbage down a bit.

Keeps well.

Have sometimes shoved leftovers in an omelette, which also works.

WitchWand · 21/01/2021 12:25

@Lyrata

Sorry, just saw *@Dailyhandtowelwash*’s reply - don’t want to make this a political discussion. It’s a complex area indeed! But I think the thing everyone agrees on is that ultra processed foods are horrid and that we should reduce them as we are all doing :).
Thanks Lyrata. This is definitely something that my colleagues and I could unite around. I shall remember this. Smile
BIWI · 21/01/2021 12:26

@pinkpinkeverywhere

One downside though, I put on 6lbs immediately as our old scales were so inaccurate. I've updated the spreadsheet but feel a bit deflated by being even heavier than I realised - all my own fault and mainly due to lockdown 1 as before that I had lost quite a bit

... hang on though - it's all relative! Your old scales will still have measured the same loss as the new ones. Ultimately it doesn't really matter what the start point is. It's the loss that's the important thing to measure.

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BIWI · 21/01/2021 12:29

@Lyrata

Yes agree with that, *@StuntNun*. I think the whole Eat Lancet campaign around veganism is quite disturbing - I agree that veganism CAN be healthy (I was a vegetarian for 7 years) and is certainly healthier than the standard western diet - but only because the standard western diet is awful and people present veganism as a saintly parade of whole foods and pure water, which it often isn’t in practice.

More importantly even when it is done well, it’s not the only way to eat well I think the data suggests that it’s not the best way to eat well - meat is. I do worry about the amount of political pressure behind veganism, and I hope that in five years time meat eating isn’t something that people feel like they have to apologise for!

Interestingly on last night's zoom chat with Dr Michael Mosley he made the point that they just can't make the Fast800 approach work with vegan diets, because they're so high in carbs. (I think he also talked about poor nutrition as well, but that was during a bit of the chat I'd been distracted by something else Blush). When MNHQ publish the link to the chat it's worth a listen.

He did also say that he felt that keto and vegan people were often at war with each other, with their opposing views! I'm frequently heard to mutter "bloody vegans" so suspect he might be right

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Rshard · 21/01/2021 12:29

Interesting coleslaw talk; when I was in the office a local sandwich bar nearby used to do salads too. Every day hm coleslaw, Greek and then two more on a rotation including one with raw broccoli, halved chatty tomatoes, toasted hazelnuts and feta with a vinaigrette dressing, absolutely lush and I’ve made an acceptable version at home. I miss going there for my lunch, although have supported when we’ve needed to pop into the city during the pandemic

NotwatchingSpooks · 21/01/2021 12:31

Wow this thread moves fast.

Elpheba I developed terrible acid reflux and was referred to a gastric consultant, after many tests he sent me to a private nutritionist (who also worked in the nhs) she made me keep a food diary for 2 weeks before I went. She went through it with a highlighter and completely changed my diet to a FODMAP diet (which works with this WOE) And was developed by Kings College hospital. It is also something can be recommended for IBS.

It may be worth a google as within 3 days I felt like a different person and no longer had to take any medication. It is based on cutting out things that are high Fructan and galacto-oligosaccharides. I had to read up on it as to me it is not intuitive, so worth reading up on, but things like Camomile and fennel teas and chicory based coffee substitutes are actually a big NO, veg wise it’s artichokes, garlic, leeks, onions, shallots and spring onions.

Interestingly BIWI the high fructan list ((So not suitable to eat) Includes some; fruits, cereals (Including wheat based, rye based and barley based), grains & starches, legumes, Nuts (pistachios & cashew nuts) and some fibre supplements, so actually a lot of the things that we don’t have on bootcamp.

I’m not at all qualified in this area so can only speak as a patient, but it may be that you could get a referral to discuss or do some investigating. Maybe BIWI , Stuntnun or someone else can add their knowledge.

Anyway today’s plan is
B Greek yogurt with teaspoon double cream
L 2 eggs, green veg, avocado
D salmon, cauliflower rice recipe from yesterday on this thread & FLGV in butter

2 coffees with a teaspoon double cream , no decaf this afternoon unless desperate 😀 Teapigs and water, water, water.

WitchWand · 21/01/2021 12:39

Finally managed to update the spreadsheet.

So I’m down to 9st 8lbs and really happy with that !!

Just before Christmas I'd reached 9st 12 which felt like a fantastic Christmas present to myself. Grin

Over the festive period I had a few days of indulgence which gave me a taste of what’s to come in the future.I realised that once I reach my goal, I’m going to be dealing with more of those type of situations. That said, I'd started to hear a kind of negative voice in me and was beginning to feel that I could sabotage my efforts at that point.

I read over the Bootcamp thread and I wrote there too. Staying in contact here,really helped me. I found the strength to rein myself in pretty sharpish and quickly picked this LCHF back up again.

All in all, that 's led to me now being 4lbs down after Christmas. Smile

pinkpinkeverywhere · 21/01/2021 12:44

I know @BIWI, my husband has the same view about it all being relative, but I suppose I'm just further off seeing the next number down. Anyway you (and husband) are right, I haven't really put on extra weight and I've got swanky new scales to boot Wink

BIWI · 21/01/2021 13:05

What I most object to about vegan apart from the smuggery is the insistence that what they're eating is healthier.

For those that do it 'properly' they can make that claim; but so many are jumping on the bandwagon, and buying into the new ranges offered by new brands and supermarkets' own ranges, which are often hugely processed, so they're really not eating well at all.

I give you:

Pukka's vegan minced steak and onion pie:

Water, Wheat Flour (contains: Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamine), Margarine (contains: Palm & Rapeseed Fats & Oils, Water, Salt), Minced Soya Protein (10%) (contains: Water, Textured Soya Protein, Sunflower Oil, Flavourings, Colour: Plain Caramel, Salt), Onion (10%), Modified Maize Starch, Yeast Extract, Rapeseed Oil, Kibbled Onion, Salt, Barley Malt Extract, Garlic Powder, Black Pepper, Wheat Protein

Putting to one side the notion that a pie can be healthy Hmm just look at those ingredients!

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BIWI · 21/01/2021 13:19

Also, think about almond milk:

it takes 1.1 gallons of water to grow one almond! And this being done in California, where they have had a serious drought for the last decade.

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ListenLinda · 21/01/2021 13:22

I did as suggested with my soup. Still not really in the mood for it.
So, BLT in a lettuce wrap with mayo & cheese for me. Very small amount of tomatoe. Was lush 😁 DH just raised his eyebrow at me frying my bacon and put his under the grill 🤷🏻‍♀️ He isn’t convinced about this WOE but nevermind.

Dailyhandtowelwash · 21/01/2021 13:30

That's really interesting, @StuntNun. (I am not a vegan obviously, nor do I have any intention of becoming one.) Do you know how reputable he is? I only ask because this is actually a discussion I've had with vegan friends in the past (re local grass-fed beef being not actually that bad) and they bring out lots of mainstream stuff. I'm a bit wary of a single study on something that makes my lifestyle more defensible in debate!

Margaritawithlime · 21/01/2021 13:39

@Bumbledee I’d make a sausage meat ‘pasta’ style dish.
Dry off sausage meat til browned with garlic
Add a bit of tomato purée and some stock and cream. Even cream cheese if you have it. Top with Parmesan Serve with courgette noodles or shritaki ones - whatever you fancy. I make a sauce like that a lot pre low carb life to serve with pasta so should work fine for this WOE.
Had a mushroom omelette and a huge salad for lunch. Am getting worried about my obsession with raw broccoli in salads...

MrsOmelette · 21/01/2021 13:40

Well, my gallstone was playing up last night which is unpleasant - I’m going to have some dairy free days see if that helps as I think cream is what was affecting it boohoo.
So today... B - just a cuppa as still felt bad, L - green pepper omelette, D - Cajun Beefburger (homemade)

I’m very excited as I’ve bought myself a new water bottle (the stuff that makes me happy in my 40s hahaha) and it has an infuser cage in it for fruits/spices so I’m having lime water today. Lots of it. Well done everyone, we’re getting there!

BIWI · 21/01/2021 13:40

Here's the link to last night's zoom with Michael Mosley

(Spot which poster is me Wink)

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BurningGubbins · 21/01/2021 13:44

Hi All, I’m another one struggling to keep up as I’ve got a lot going on here but for the person looking to use up swede, I made a really nice swede mash last night - while the boiled swede was draining I fried garam masala and chilli powder in butter, chucked the swede back in for a bit then mashed. I added a bit of grated Parmesan for depth.

BurningGubbins · 21/01/2021 13:47

Also, I was very annoyed last night finishing off my Asda order to find that loads of green veg are not available! No spinach, courgettes, broccoli, cucumber... bloody Brexit.

BIWI · 21/01/2021 13:49

@BurningGubbins

Hi All, I’m another one struggling to keep up as I’ve got a lot going on here but for the person looking to use up swede, I made a really nice swede mash last night - while the boiled swede was draining I fried garam masala and chilli powder in butter, chucked the swede back in for a bit then mashed. I added a bit of grated Parmesan for depth.
That sounds delicious!
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BIWI · 21/01/2021 13:50

@BurningGubbins

Also, I was very annoyed last night finishing off my Asda order to find that loads of green veg are not available! No spinach, courgettes, broccoli, cucumber... bloody Brexit.
Yep. I've bought frozen veg for this very reason. Not what I'd normally do, but it's been (mostly) OK so far.
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Bumbledee · 21/01/2021 14:07

@BurningGubbins The Swede mash sounds excellent and I have all the ingredients :)

Same here with supermarket orders. I keep amending my Waitrose order to frozen veg every time something fresh becomes unavailable. At this rate I'll have a huge frozen icicle delivered this week!

@Margaritawithlime Thanks. I have a packet of bare naked noodles, I might just pretend it's pasta and try your recipe. Grin

Dailyhandtowelwash · 21/01/2021 14:11

Lunch was bacon and eggs scrambled with cherry toms, mushroom, spinach and blue cheese.

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