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Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2021 12:37

Agree with the hunger/thirst thing. If I find I'm hungry when I'm not expecting to be, I have two glasses of water and wait five minutes. More often than not, I was thirsty...

B: black coffee*
L: 2 boiled eggs, with butter, salt, pepper, on loads of lettuce
D: something not very exciting to use up last of roast chicken

  • have given up cream for a while, because despite deserving fucking amazing skin from giving up drinking and smoking two weeks ago... I am all blotchy. Previous blotch has been due to dairy

Will see how it goes for a week.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 20/01/2021 12:43

Also, wrt the hunger, I have had sugar withdrawal symptoms this week, which feel a lot like hunger.

I know they're not, because they're worse after I've eaten a nice big dinner.

I feel hollow, unsatisfied and twitchy.

Don't know if this is the same for you, but thought it might chime with some.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 20/01/2021 12:44

@AthelstaneTheUnready the goddess skin will come Glitterball. If I remember rightly (was a long time ago), my skin got worse, then slowly better after binning the fags.

Discoballs · 20/01/2021 12:46

Just spent the last 3 days trying to catch up on the thread! Phew, it moved fast.

It's made me realise I definitely haven't been drinking enough water. I was keto for 2 years, until I got totally waylaid by pregnancy and breastfeeding so don't know how I managed to miss how essential water consumption is, but I've upped my quota today so hopefully on track with it soon.

Today is:
B: fasted through it
L: boiled eggs with butter, ham, cheese
D: bacon and tomato/butter sauce, loads of veg, courghetti instead of pasta

Rshard · 20/01/2021 12:53

Wow. The thread is so busy! Full of positivity and gorgeous food though.

Commiserations to the early risers and insomniacs, hope the day is being kind to you.

nowlook · 20/01/2021 12:57

Afternoon all!

I have it in my head that we're supposed to use extra virgin olive oil or butter for cooking, rather than vegetable or sunflower oil. Have I made that up? I can't seem to find a source for it Confused

My skin's blotchy too @AthelstaneTheUnready. I'm hoping that it's like when you have a facial and it brings all the crap to the surface.

Today's food:
L: leftover homemade burger with buttery spinach (cooked with a pinch of shallots and salt- delicious) and broccoli;
D: cod loin, cauliflower cheese and FLGV.

I've had 1.5 litres of water and four cups of tea with unsweetened soya milk so far.

Solidarity to those who haven't slept well!
Hope you smash the interview @ZiggZagg!

DataColour · 20/01/2021 12:58

I feel hollow, unsatisfied and twitchy.

This is exactly how I feel! As you say it's worse just after a meal as I'm so used to eating something sweet after a meal, even if it's a bit of chocolate or fruit. Apples in the fruit bowl seems so tempting right now and I don't even like apples that much!

AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2021 12:58

Promise?! promise!

Actually, that's a really good description of not-hunger pangs in there.

It is hard to communicate until you've experienced it, but when you're truly settled into this WOE, you'll feel hunger in a totally different way. As in, not the withdrawal/craving type distressed 'hunger', but a much more zen-type 'I may start thinking about preparing to get ready to start cooking' feeling.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2021 13:03

@nowlook, @StuntNun posted something about seed oils being inflammatory, but I can't remember where! Vaguely remember it being about omega3-6 ratios, and them being too high in the inflammatory omega 6s.

Stunt, can you help?

Ninkanink · 20/01/2021 13:08

When i get that hollow, twitchy feeling I get busy doing something. A craft, if that’s your thing, or a small job that’s been on your to-do list for months, or have a shower/take a bath/paint your nails, whatever. Something active, practical and useful - it distracts me from that feeling, plus I get something done which feels productive and rewarding. The only thing I haven’t found a good distraction is reading or watching telly as for me that’s very much tied up with having something nice to eat, so I avoid those if I’m feeling out of sorts in that way.

nowlook · 20/01/2021 13:11

It was @StuntNun! Well remembered @AthelstaneTheUnready.

"The reasoning behind vegetable oils being bad for you is that too high a ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fats in our diets promotes inflammation. I know since I started this WOE my arthritic joint pain has cleared up, my eczema is less bad, my asthma has all but disappeared, my dust and pollen allergies are less serious and my gingivitis has settled down and the factor linking all those would be inflammation. That would also suggest that the polyunsaturated vegetable oils that have been promoted as heart healthy may actually be implicated in the development of heart disease"

Ninkanink · 20/01/2021 13:11

@nowlook olive oil or butter is generally better. Some people like coconut oil but I don’t use it. I cook with extra virgin olive oil as a matter of course. But for some things, such as Japanese/Korean, where I don’t want a strong olive oil flavour, I use vegetable oil. Everything in moderation is the best approach as far as I’m concerned.

Lyrata · 20/01/2021 13:14

Oneborneverydecade I think Covid gives me the time to organise myself! But yes, my tick sheet is like an advent calendar to me now.

@nowlook in the book I mentioned (Why We Eat Too Much) there’s a lot of interesting stuff about Omega 6 which is apparently quite bad for you. Much like sugar it’s quite hard to get in nature (or balanced with Omega 3 like sugar is balanced with fibre) but it’s now over represented in our diet.

The book says that omega 3 is ‘the sunshine fat... any animal or fish that ingests green plant matter will therefore also contain omega 3’ whereas omega 6 is ‘the autumn fat - it is also made by plants but it appears in their seeds and not in their green leaves.’ When the dietary guidelines told us all to reduce saturated fat it got replaced with vegetable oils and so omega 6 in our diets shot up. Apparently omega 6 went from 8% in 1961 to 23% in 2008 as our diets switched from healthy saturated fats found in butter and animal fat to unhealthy vegetable oils found in processed foods.

He says ‘increased cellular omega 6 levels cause an increase in inflammation... increased inflammation (via TNF-alpha) leads to poorer functioning of insulin and a dulling effect of leptin (the hormone produced by fat cells that keeps us thin). Poorer insulin function means that more insulin is required within the blood. Higher levels of insulin also result in a dulling of the leptin signal. All these effects result in a rise in the weight set-point and then, inevitably, weight gain.

There is some evidence that the foods that hibernating animals eat before winter sets in act as a trigger for rapid weight gain.... we speculate whether humans have a similar evolutionary response to ‘autumn’ foods.’

That’s all I know about it! I do tend to cook with olive oil or butter - but then equally by cutting out all the processed food and crisps etc we are probably already massively reducing our omega-6 so I probably wouldn’t worry massively about it. I do use ground nut oil to fry in - and some of the stuff that guy says in his book is quite speculative.

My lunch today was so great - cod on a bed of buttered samphire. Picture attached as I am so proud of the greenness of my veg.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread
Ratherchillyinhere · 20/01/2021 13:15

After a wobble yesterday...

B - coffee with cream
L - egg mayonnaise on little gem lettuce leaves
D - pork belly and salad
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I think what i love the most about this WOE is the fact that i can eat until I'm full without ever feeling bloated and overstuffed half an hour later!

Ninkanink · 20/01/2021 13:16

🙄🙄 I sound like I think I’m talking to someone who doesn’t know about oils there...sorry...

LittleMy77 · 20/01/2021 13:16

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch I’m the same re sugar withdrawals. Last night after dinner was bad. I’m even craving fruit, which is a first

StuntNun · 20/01/2021 13:22

Nowlook monounsaturated fats such as olive oil, avocado oil and nut oils are much healthier for you than polyunsaturated vegetable oils (sunflower, corn oil, etc.) It's because vegetable oils are pro-inflammatory due to their high omega-6 content. However from a weight loss point of view it won't make much difference apart from inflammation potentially contributing to water retention. Saturated fats such as butter, lard, dripping and goose fat are all fine to cook with. Although in fact, every one of the fats and oils I've mentioned are made up of different combinations of monounsaturated, polyunsaturated and saturated fats. For example lard contains more monounsaturated fat (widely regarded as healthy) than saturated fat (widely regarded as unhealthy.) The whole demonisation of saturated fat is completely made up and has been thoroughly debunked by journalist Nina Teicholz in her book The Big Fat Surprise which is a brilliant read. Anyway, in short I know, too late it's the proportion of omega-3 and omega-6 in your diet that's important. We want to tip that towards a healthy ratio by emphasising animal fats, monounsaturated fats (oil, avocado, nut) and fish oils, while minimising vegetable oils. So at home I don't use vegetable oils but I don't worry too much about what my food is cooked in for takeaway/restaurant meals because I know most of my fat intake is from healthy fats.

At the end of the day, I regard the fact that human body fat is 30% saturated as proof that saturated fat cannot be unhealthy. If it was unhealthy then why would we store so much of our body fat as saturated fat? There's actually a school of thought that implicates polyunsaturated fats as a major driver of the obesity epidemic, and not simply a consequence of carbohydrate consumption. After all, many primitive cultures ate high carbohydrate diets without suffering from obesity and diabetes, or even tooth decay.

nowlook · 20/01/2021 13:23

@Ninkanink Grin I don't think I'd pick oils for Mastermind, so thanks to you and @Lyrata for helping. I had totally confused myself. I had it in my head that I couldn't have vegetable oil (and generally use olive oil or butter- it's just if DH forgets sometimes) and then saw that the carb count was 0 on the bottle in the pantry.

Thought it might all have been a dream (like a really shit version of Dallas).

nowlook · 20/01/2021 13:27

Thanks @StuntNun. I think it will be interesting to see what if any impact this WOE has on my psoriasis/mild related arthritis. I know that psoriasis is an immunity issue, but will monitor. It comes and goes, so can't remember what happened in previous BCs.

DataColour · 20/01/2021 13:44

That lunch looks great @Lyrata .sounds like samphire is in season now? My DD absolutely loves it and the fishmonger said wasn't the season for it last month. Will pay a visit again :-)

cheeseisthebest · 20/01/2021 13:49

[quote plumstone]@cheeseisthebest it was home made, I removed the leaves cut the stalk and then grated it using the large side of the grater - its super messy - that could be me though, i have limited worktop space so it always looks like a bomb has hit it by the time i plate up![/quote]
Haha! It is super messy! Have you tried doing it in a food processor? That works well.

MrsOmelette · 20/01/2021 14:09

@Oneborneverydecade the joys of toddlers and teens in the same house! My teen son is often up in the night, it’s nice when he’s up at 5am too as he makes me a cuppa bless him.

I’ve weighed as having a bit of a low day, pleased to say that in 12 days I’ve lost 6lbs. So that’s week 2 and 3 for me, not bad at all. Will try not to weigh again for a while though.

Oneborneverydecade · 20/01/2021 14:27

@AthelstaneTheUnready your description of lchf hunger is perfect

@MrsOmelette it's interesting to hear other teens are up too, I thought it was just ours. He snacks in the afternoon, leaves some of his dinner and is then hungry towards midnight. That plus sitting on his bum all day mean he's sleeping poorly.

@nowlook in this Dallas dream sequence would you come to in a shower of vegetable oil?

Off topic but is anyone else a curly girl? I started trying to follow the method at the same time as lchf and let's just say the weightloss has been much more successful

1stMrsF · 20/01/2021 14:30

Empathising with sleep problems. I don't think I've slept well since the beginning of the pandemic, and my children are also generally more unsettled to a lesser or greater extent. I am awake or sleeping only badly between 4am and 6am. It's anxiety about the situation I think and I'm hoping that focussing on boot camp will help me feel more in control and better able to lower stress as I know that lack of sleep and raised cortisol definitely encourages weight gain for me.

To add fat to stir fry I use coconut oil (biona has one that doesn't taste of coconut if you don't like that!) also love a stir fry recipe from the Fast 800 book that uses salmon so has extra fat from that. Use the fattiest meat you can - chicken thighs not breast for example.

Today
B - creamy coffee and 750ml water through the morning
L - leftover Lamb Keema with yogurt, a hard boiled egg, salad leaves and spinach soup.
D - chicken curry with purple kale (will stirfry in coconut oil)

Bestbees · 20/01/2021 14:52

@Oneborneverydecade I am a curly girl! I cowash with suma conditioner and then scrunch some more in, add gel then wait for it to dry then scrunch out the crunch.

Interesting chat about oils. Adds to the health focus which is positive, and helps me keep going when it's tough.

I ended up having mackerel smooshed with coleslaw and extra mayo wrapped in lettuce leaves followed by some yog. Big black coffee. Feeling a touch better but think that is because I am at home now!

I teach teenagers and I think so many of them are struggling with sleep, not enough excerise and long online learning days are not great, and teenage sleep is difficult enough!