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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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BrassicaBabe · 19/01/2021 09:25

I think the tea talk just comes from needing to drink more water. Normal black tea is allowed.

I got back on the LC wagon on 1st Jan after having 7 days off for Xmas. And boy did I have them off!! 9lbs on. Really struggling to shift them. As of today only 2lb off in 19 days. My current thoughts:
Stop weighing for a while
More water
More salt/electrolytes
(Diet seems fine based on what I know)
(Dry January really isn't "giving" as much as I deserve GrinHmm)
(Think water retention to do with running is in play)

Disheartened, down but not out. Trying to be kind to myself. But a little ratty that my efforts aren't being rewarded.

ChristMyArse · 19/01/2021 09:27

The tea conversation started on the previous thread and I had 6 types of teapigs delivered so I said I would report back. I reported back on this thread not the previous hence how the tea chat started on this thread I think.

I'm staying away from milk. I like milky tea with 3 sweeteners, so I'd rather have no "normal" tea as A. It tastes shite without some sweetness B. IMO it's not worth the carbs. I have developed a taste for creamy coffees with salt in though...

ChristMyArse · 19/01/2021 09:30

@BrassicaBabe

I think the tea talk just comes from needing to drink more water. Normal black tea is allowed.

I got back on the LC wagon on 1st Jan after having 7 days off for Xmas. And boy did I have them off!! 9lbs on. Really struggling to shift them. As of today only 2lb off in 19 days. My current thoughts:
Stop weighing for a while
More water
More salt/electrolytes
(Diet seems fine based on what I know)
(Dry January really isn't "giving" as much as I deserve GrinHmm)
(Think water retention to do with running is in play)

Disheartened, down but not out. Trying to be kind to myself. But a little ratty that my efforts aren't being rewarded.

Aren't you running though Brassic? If you are I'd have thought it's likely you're gaining muscle/tone. If it's not you running ridiculous distances I apologise.. so many people on the thread!!
Motivateinmotion · 19/01/2021 09:34

I love the motivation and positivity on these threads and the fact it’s so fast moving. So different to fat loss groups I’ve been to in the past with dull and uninspiring weekly groups. I’m keeping notes on my phone of all the tips and new recipes to try!

B: greek yoghurt with cream and cinnamon
L: big salad with aubergine, olives and some chicken dressed in oil (a teaspoon of red pesto which I’ve learnt has cashews so last day of that)
D: left over roast chicken with spring greens

Drinks: oxo, 3L water and 2 coffee with almond milk. Maybe a black Earl grey if need something sweeter

BIWI · 19/01/2021 09:37

Let me be clear - milk isn't forbidden. But it's something that's very, very easy to use a lot of, in which case you'll be getting lots of carbs that way instead of from vegetables/salad.

And if you are going to drink tea/coffee with milk in it, buy whole milk instead of skimmed/semi-skimmed/0% fat. That way the carbs are (a bit) lower but the fat content is higher.

Here are some carb/fat counts per 100ml:

Sainsbury's whole milk - 4.7g carbs/3.7g fat
Sainsbury's organic whole milk - 4.5g carbs/4g fat

I was surprised by this - I didn't think there'd be any difference between organic/non-organic, but it just goes to show that the organic option would be better on both the carb and fat front

Sainsbury's semi-skimmed milk - 4.8g carbs/1.8g fat
Sainsbury's organic semi-skimmed milk - 4.6g carbs/1.7g fat

Sainsbury's skimmed milk - 5g carbs/less than half a gram of fat
Sainsbury's organic skimmed milk - no count given
Yeo Valley organic skimmed milk - 4.9g carbs/0.3g fat

Just remember that these counts are per 100ml - that's 2/3 of one of those little mixer cans of tonic - so it's really not very much!

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MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 19/01/2021 09:37

You seem really down on yourself @BrassicaBabe . You sound as though you have it all under control to me!

I think I used to be like this, but life has given me a bit of a punching in the last few years, & it's forced me to be less controlling and be kind to myself.

I know what you mean about the lack of reward though. One day of eating well, & there's always a part of me hoping to see a svelte goddess in the mirror the next day. Smile

LazydaysofSummer · 19/01/2021 09:41

@BrassicaBabe, whilst I too was hoping for more results from two full weeks without alcohol, I'm taking some comfort from the lack of weight loss during dry January. If the weight isn't dropping off when I'm not drinking wine (I'm assuming), it means it's not going to pile on when we can have the odd glass of wine!

ouchmyfeet · 19/01/2021 09:43

^We need more salt generally on a low carb WOE because we drink more water. At the beginning, you may need to increase supplementation until you get used to it, but overall salt is very important.

Are you worried about the salt?^

@BIWI thanks, not worried particularly, just wondered if I should stock up on some dioralyte. I don't really like bovril/marmite/oxo. Tried a drink made with a spoonful of boullion powder yesterday and that wasn't great either. I can easily take a sachet of dioralyte each day but think it probably contains sweeteners and I'd like to avoid them. Was basically just wondering whether to stick it out for a few weeks with the salty drinks or to find something I can do long term. May try salt in a black coffee as that seems to be a hit up thread.

I cook with salt but just don't really like things too salty Confused

BIWI · 19/01/2021 09:44

@BrassicaBabe you know what I'm going to tell you, aren't you? Because I keep telling you! You are being way too hard on yourself. Almost as if you feel you have to punish yourself for having those days off after Christmas.

But being practical, list out for me what your menus have been like over the last few days, just in case there's anything obvious we can help with.

And what about the Diet Coke habit? Wink

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NotwatchingSpooks · 19/01/2021 09:50

Morning, loving the tea chat, my new favourite is Teapigs Sweet Ginger, but I think the popcorn one is the work of the devil 👿 they are sending me some free Lemongrass tea with my order and I will report back. For a very sweet hit I like the Liquorice and Peppermint, but you do have to be careful with liquorice due to hypertension, another example of why you need to read labels, as liquorice is in lots of teas, including sweet ginger.

So we are on day 2, Shagmeriggins has already made me laugh out loud 🤭 thank you just what I needed on Blue Monday and I have been nodding at all the wise words.

Sorry to the poster who spent 8 hours in A&E yesterday, hope all is okay today.

It really is a good idea to write a plan as it helps you to make sure you are eating a good balance and provides an opportunity to ask the group questions if any come up, which you should hopefully get answers about before the food is in your mouth 😀.

My plan for today is
B Greek yogurt with teaspoon of double cream
L homemade Leek soup with olive oil and butter, topped with a couple of slices of chorizo baked so crisp up
D Beef strips stir fried with shallots & peppers, served with homemade coleslaw, roasted Brussel sprouts & avocado

2 coffees with teaspoon of double cream & a decaf coffee in afternoon, Teapigs teas and water....

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/01/2021 09:51

Morning all. Does decaf tea and coffee count towards our water intake or not? I normally easily manage my three litres, but I'm curious.

Also, I got woken up in the night by the most horrendous cramp in my foot, took ages to get rid of it. This happens to me quite often. A quick Google suggested I could be deficient in potassium or magnesium, is there something I should be eating more of to help with that? I already eat lots of green veg, especially spinach.

BIWI · 19/01/2021 09:53

@ouchmyfeet

^We need more salt generally on a low carb WOE because we drink more water. At the beginning, you may need to increase supplementation until you get used to it, but overall salt is very important.

Are you worried about the salt?^

@BIWI thanks, not worried particularly, just wondered if I should stock up on some dioralyte. I don't really like bovril/marmite/oxo. Tried a drink made with a spoonful of boullion powder yesterday and that wasn't great either. I can easily take a sachet of dioralyte each day but think it probably contains sweeteners and I'd like to avoid them. Was basically just wondering whether to stick it out for a few weeks with the salty drinks or to find something I can do long term. May try salt in a black coffee as that seems to be a hit up thread.

I cook with salt but just don't really like things too salty Confused

Don't get Dioralyte as it has sugar in it.

You could either buy some supplements - High5 make one called Zero, or there's also one made by Science in Sport. They do, though, use artificial sweeteners.

Alternatively you can make your own - @prettybird does one which is, I think, salt dissolved in water with lemon juice added.

You may find that as your taste buds change (which they will on this WOE) that you start to find the salt more pleasurable!

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BIWI · 19/01/2021 09:55

There's a really useful/interesting piece about the importance of salt on a low carb diet here, from The Diet Doctor

@AthelstaneTheUnready please could you add this to the resources section on the spreadsheet?

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BIWI · 19/01/2021 09:56

Oh - @AthelstaneTheUnready - I've done it already! (Sorry, I thought no-one other than you was allowed to add stuff)

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NotwatchingSpooks · 19/01/2021 09:57

BIWI I found the same with cream

Milkman’s cream ‘TOM Parker” 3G
M&S Double Cream 2.6g
Riverford Organic dairy cream 1.7g

M&S sour cream 3.6g

It is definitely worth reading the labels

Jollyholibobs · 19/01/2021 10:00

For those looking for a budget tea I really like Morrison’s Spiced orange tea bags. @cheeseisthebest I think milk is too carby. I used to drink lots of tea with milk. I have experimented with different herb and fruit teas and now my old pg tips with milk tastes funny if I ever have one.

Plan for today
B black coffee ( long term 16:8 er here)
L salad with Avacado and feta
D fish Tacos using little gem wraps but with flat breads for the rest of the family. Will make guacamole and a salsa to go with it.

ShagMeRiggins · 19/01/2021 10:11

Jollyholibobs I haven’t had fish tacos in years. Is it from the recipe thread? (Yes yes, I know I could look it up myself but where would be the fun in that? Grin)

Notwatchingspooks glad I provided a laugh. It was BIWI on a Big Stick, wasn’t it? (Ooh, Halloween name change for October, BIWI?)

I’ve told myself I’m going to participate more this Bootcamp and not let work deprive me of this great group, but...gah, it’s after 10!!!

Ps—Blue Monday can do one.

LittleMy77 · 19/01/2021 10:13

Smug alert as did a peloton ride this morning (bloody hard tho, fml )

Banging head and dry metallic mouth soon sorted out by adding salt to water, thanks for that tip!

B; salmon, avocado and mini frittata
Coffee
L; homemade veg soup and something
D; leftover roast chicken, stuffed aubergine and probably broccoli

Went to Aldi yesterday and stocked up on cheese and veg, guy on checkout was like ‘nice selection of cheese there!’ Grin

I bought some sort of cheese and chorizo dip that looks v low carb and not on the banned list - will investigate ingredients properly and post if it looks the real deal

LittleMy77 · 19/01/2021 10:16

@BIWI random, but is mustard / mustard flour allowed?

BIWI · 19/01/2021 10:20

Which kind of mustard @LittleMy77? Mustard generally is quite high in carbs, but obviously the amount you might eat will vary - English mustard, for example, could really only be eaten in small quantities whereas it's quite easy to eat larger amounts of wholegrain.

When you say mustard flour, what do you mean? Do you mean the dry Colmans' mustard powder? That's 12g carbs per 100g so it's quite high, but again, depends what you're doing with it/how much you'll be using.

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nowlook · 19/01/2021 10:30

@BrassicaBabe
The stress hormone cortisol stimulates glucose production in your liver.
(this isn't GMTV science- it's in the Lancet Wink). When I'm particularly stressed, I get more fat around the middle. Perhaps the running is more helpful to you than you think.

LittleMy77 · 19/01/2021 10:32

@BIWI probably 1-2 teaspoons of English or whole grain mustard in a cauliflower cheese or similar (that’d serve 3-4)

No idea on the powder (saw it in a recipe) but probably the same

MrsOmelette · 19/01/2021 10:37

Re: Tea
I can recommend the Yogi Senses tea that is mainly hibiscus, and my husband loves Birchall’s Lemongrass and Ginger...we had it years ago in Waitrose Cafe and he has made a point of always having it in ever since.
My meals today are B - cauliflower porridge (coconut milk & vanilla), L - crustless quiche & green salad, D - steak, mushrooms, celeriac chips.
Yesterday was a good water day - having lemon in it really helps and I add salt to every other one. Keep on keeping on everyone.

BIWI · 19/01/2021 10:37

A teaspoon of Colman's mustard powder is 0.6g carbs
A teaspoon of Colman's mustard (English) is 0.65g carbs
A teaspoon of Maille Dijon mustard is 0.2g carbs
A teaspoon of Maille wholegrain mustard is 0.47g carbs

So I'd say you're good to go with that!

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Hopeislost · 19/01/2021 10:41

Loving all the herbal tea suggestions. My favourite currently is Twinings Peppermint & Strawberry (with a black peppercorn kick). It doesn't really taste of strawberry, but the black pepper is a lovely twist on mint tea.

Herbal tea is a bit of a lifesaver for me, I have one about 9pm when I am not hungry but would otherwise be looking in the fridge!

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