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Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Pre-Christmas Low Carb Bootcamp - the prep thread

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BIWI · 07/10/2020 19:41

So we have about 10 days until we start. One of the key factors for success is being prepared and planning ahead.

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs. There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread (of any kind, including your kids' bagels!)
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp (which last for 10 weeks), you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream (although in moderation)
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

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BIWI · 11/10/2020 12:37

@Burnshersmurfs

Briefly unlurking to join the other unlurkers. I’m more or less maintaining now, having lost nearly 30lbs on the lockdown boot camp (thank you SO much, BIWI and co). I’m joining in for the first 2 weeks just to have a bit of a reset, and to make sure the good habits keep sticking, and then I’ll post my weight and continue to lurk to keep my head in the game.
Good plan! (And thank you for unlurking)
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ShagMeRiggins · 11/10/2020 12:38

@BIWI

Shag's Big Bootcamp has a definite ring to it Grin
Grin Grin
fizzfridays · 11/10/2020 12:41

Thank you @StuntNun glad to hear it wasn't too much trouble food-wise. Hope you are all recovered now.

DH is hankering after a Chinese takeaway tonight, and given he is currently cleaning my car I feel like he's earned it. They don't do any lettuce cups or anything but I was planning crispy duck (without the pancakes or sauce) and beef in black bean but scrape off as much sauce as possible. Does that sound reasonable? I find Japanese and Chinese the worst for low carb options.

20bloodypounds · 11/10/2020 16:29

I was in a little shop in the far North West of Scotland and they were selling these delicious snacks (photo attached)

I've attempted pork scratchings a couple of times but couldn't even bring myself to put the piggy-smelling things in my mouth! These were so lovely. Great on their own if others around you are gorging on crisps, but great to add a bit of crunch to other dishes too. I think that crushed and sprinkled on cauli cheese would be yum yum yum.

And just find out you can buy them on Amazon or other online retailers

Pre-Christmas Low Carb Bootcamp - the prep thread
Pre-Christmas Low Carb Bootcamp - the prep thread
Benvolio · 11/10/2020 16:41

Right. No more messing. I'm all ready to start after a shocking few months of comfort eating and drinking. I'm most looking forward to seeing my face get less puffy. Hope that happens soon.

IvorHughJarrs · 11/10/2020 17:10

OK, I'm in. I haven't added my name to the list as I prefer not to weigh (reasons too boring to go into) so prefer to judge by how I feel, clothes fit, etc but I will be along for the ride
I work part time so like to plan food for the week so I can shop and cook on Mondays then there is less chance of me grazing on DHs carby food when I get in from work T, W and Th. I can then do the same thing on Fri for the weekend
My plans for this week are eggs for breakfast, meat or fish with salad for lunch and main meals are:
Chicken curry and vegi rice
Ratatouille and good quality sausages
Chicken and mushroom risotto made with cauliflower rice
Does that sound OK?

Tornfelt · 11/10/2020 17:48

What's not to like about a WOE where you can add a whole pot of double cream to your homemade soup? 😋

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 11/10/2020 17:55

@BIWI thank you so much for your reply. You're right I think it's an excuse. I like your suggestions and thanks for the article.

Hope you are well by the way!

IncurablyCurious · 11/10/2020 18:17

I'm also unlurking!

I'm having a really rough time with my multiple sclerosis at the moment - and I know it's because I'm just eating easy food (peanut butter sandwiches are my downfall Blush) and drinking too much, because I'm stressed with uni. I've just gone back as a mature student, and I'm trying to do everything at once - but not managing to keep all the plates spinning yet! So. Going to try and take control of my eating, because I know it's the best way for me to get some more energy back and stop feeling so physically wobbly.

Can anyone recommend some good snacks that aren't boiled eggs? I get over-egged quite quickly, but really need something to keep me going through long days of video calls etc.

BIWI · 11/10/2020 18:49

@IncurablyCurious

I'm also unlurking!

I'm having a really rough time with my multiple sclerosis at the moment - and I know it's because I'm just eating easy food (peanut butter sandwiches are my downfall Blush) and drinking too much, because I'm stressed with uni. I've just gone back as a mature student, and I'm trying to do everything at once - but not managing to keep all the plates spinning yet! So. Going to try and take control of my eating, because I know it's the best way for me to get some more energy back and stop feeling so physically wobbly.

Can anyone recommend some good snacks that aren't boiled eggs? I get over-egged quite quickly, but really need something to keep me going through long days of video calls etc.

Hello and welcome!

Sorry to hear about your MS. But you're right, taking charge of your food can only help Flowers

With regard to snacking, once you're in the swing of low carbing you shouldn't find yourself hungry between meals. In the early days, you may still find that you need to eat, in which case things like cheese, olives, or a cooked low carb sausage would all be good and satisfying.

After the first week of Bootcamp (certainly after the second) you really should find that your appetite has decreased. If you still find yourself wanting eat between meals, ask yourself if you're really hungry, or if you're just eating out of habit - or out of boredom/the need to treat yourself. Emotional or comfort eating often drives us, rather than actual hunger.

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BuffyTheBuffetSlayer · 11/10/2020 19:00

Re cholesterol - is it Familial hypercholesterolemia (a genetic disorder) or just generally high? And do you know the specific numbers? (You should have it broken down into three different measures, not just one number)

A low carb way of eating is usually very good at bringing 'bad' cholesterol levels down while raising the 'good' ones.

I have Familial Hypercholesterolemia. Will low carb help lower mine or does it only work for those without FH?

My cholesterol was 10.4 Blush last year but that was after being off my statins to have babies. I'm back on them now. I saw the nurse a few days ago to get it checked again (lipid clinic that normally monitors it closed because of covid) and I should get the results tomorrow.

Also, can low carb have a negative impact on the gallbladder? I'm waiting to have mine removed. Should I speak to my GP about it? Or is it a non issue?

BIWI · 11/10/2020 19:05

@BuffyTheBuffetSlayer I don't know enough to advise you, but @StuntNun might be able to help you.

When you get your results, make sure you get the breakdown and not just the overall figure.

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StuntNun · 11/10/2020 19:06

Incurably when I started low carbing I kept a packet of Peperamis in the car "for emergencies" and I would cook extra chicken drumsticks for a meal so I had leftovers for snacking.

Buffy if you're worried about your cholesterol then you can increase the monounsaturated fats (olive oil, avocado oil, walnut oil, macadamia oil etc.) and eat plenty of fish for omega-3 fatty acids rather than adding butter to everything. This article has more info on eating a low carb diet when you have familial hypercholesteraemia. Your gall bladder shouldn't be an issue however be wary of suddenly increasing your fat intake so maybe don't have things like butter coffee or drink cream from the pot!

BIWI · 11/10/2020 19:51

Thanks @StuntNun - that's a really interesting article!

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CeibaTree · 11/10/2020 20:15

Sorry if this is a silly question, but do nut butters count in the no nuts rule? Thanks 😊

itsmeagainagain · 11/10/2020 20:38

Excited for tomorrow! I've been low carbing this week to try and get a bit ahead as it's probably the week leading up to TOTM for me so need all the help I can get! @BIWI and @stuntnun are your stories/experiences linked anywhere or care to share in a nutshell? Smile

BIWI · 11/10/2020 20:57

@CeibaTree

Sorry if this is a silly question, but do nut butters count in the no nuts rule? Thanks 😊
Yes! Sorry. Anything made from nuts is verboten in the first two weeks.
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ZiggZagg · 11/10/2020 21:15

I'm self isolating, waiting on COVID results waaaah Sadso haven't been able to stock up on meat etc, so will be a few variations off egg/vegetables until the results come back!!

BIWI · 11/10/2020 21:21

@itsmeagainagain

Excited for tomorrow! I've been low carbing this week to try and get a bit ahead as it's probably the week leading up to TOTM for me so need all the help I can get! *@BIWI and @stuntnun* are your stories/experiences linked anywhere or care to share in a nutshell? Smile
Not sure if I've posted my 'story' before! Grin

Until I was in my mid-20s never had to worry about my weight. I could eat anything and it never made any difference. When I hit my late 20s, this was the first time I dieted - and I did the classic low calorie thing. I lost the weight, but really didn't enjoy the deprivation!

Fast forward to some time in 2011. By then I'd got married and had two children. It was a classic case of weight just creeping up, as well as bad habits - it's very easy when you have children and you're stuck at home in the evenings to start eating the wrong things, drinking too much and not taking any exercise! (Plus I had a very, very full time job, which saw me working many evenings and working away a lot, so reliant on hotel/restaurant meals)

For me, the crunch moment came when I was in M&S trying on a 'little black dress' for Christmas. It was a size 14, and didn't fit. Every little bulge was exposed as I looked at myself in the mirror.

Not long after that I was having dinner with an old colleague, and she had lost loads of weight. She told me that her doctor had recommended low carbing to her, and since she'd been doing it, the weight had just fallen off. So that was when I started to explore low carbing. I came across a low carb forum - the first forum I ever joined! - and it was a revelation. I bought the Atkins book and started from there.

I never followed Atkins to the letter, just cut out the main carbs and lost a fair bit of weight.

On Mumsnet I joined an ongoing low carb thread, and posted/joined in for ages. But I got more and more frustrated with my own efforts, as I was messing around/not doing it properly - with the inevitable result that my weight started creeping up again.

So I decided that I needed a stricter plan, but one that was easier to follow than Atkins. I knew that counting calories was out of the question, as it had made me too obsessive about food before (I literally sat one evening with a plate of boiled celery as that was all I was 'allowed' to eat on my low calorie plan one day). I also really couldn't be bothered with (and simply didn't have the time) to start weighing all my food and counting the carbs in my food.

And hence the ten rules of Bootcamp were born.

Originally, back in 2012, I posted that this was what I was going to do, here were the ten rules, and did anyone want to join me?

I thought that the people on the ongoing low carb threads might want to join me, so was expecting a dozen or so to have a go at it with me. But within a week I had more than 80 MNetters sign up!

I had no idea how it was going to pan out. Originally there was no plan to make it a ten week programme.

Since then, though, I've run Bootcamp 3 times a year. Each time we have around 100 (sometimes over 200) people sign up! Inevitably a lot of people drop out, but there's always a 'hard core' of posters who stick with it.

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itsmeagainagain · 11/10/2020 21:28

thanks @BIWI that is fab!! Are you very strict all the time or do 3 bootcamps a year keep you in check? How do you eat in between?

SomethingInTheWaySheCooks · 11/10/2020 21:36

My husband and I are going to join bootcamp for the first time, having never done anything like it. I’m a bit worried about meals; what to put with meat and fish and how not to get bored of eggs! I figure if I’m taking the fries or potatoes or rice away at meals and replacing with say a tomato salad, that this is still better, even though tomatoes are a bit carby? 🙈

BIWI · 11/10/2020 21:45

@itsmeagainagain

thanks *@BIWI* that is fab!! Are you very strict all the time or do 3 bootcamps a year keep you in check? How do you eat in between?
My normal way of eating excludes bread, pasta, potatoes and rice.

Generally speaking, I don't eat sugar or sweets and the only chocolate I eat is at least 70% cocoa, if not higher. I avoid sauces made with flour, and things covered in batter.

That said, I don't do this all the time - if I'm going out or to dinner with friends, I eat what I fancy, or what I'm served.

I also drink too much wine and gin!

Lockdown wasn't great for me, along with a lot of other people, and I found myself eating all kinds of things. It was sort of a combination of some kind of weird holiday plus feeling like it was the end of the world - so what was the point of dieting?! As a consequence, I've gained a lot more weight than I'm happy with, so I'll be joining in this time. (Usually I'm just on the sidelines waving my Big Stick and shouting at people Grin)

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BIWI · 11/10/2020 21:56

@SomethingInTheWaySheCooks

My husband and I are going to join bootcamp for the first time, having never done anything like it. I’m a bit worried about meals; what to put with meat and fish and how not to get bored of eggs! I figure if I’m taking the fries or potatoes or rice away at meals and replacing with say a tomato salad, that this is still better, even though tomatoes are a bit carby? 🙈
What to put with meat and fish? How about vegetables?! If you would normally have meat, potatoes and 2 veg, for example, just make it 3 veg. Or just two larger portions of veg.

As an example - last week we had:

  • baked salmon fillets, that I'd marinated in olive oil and lemon with garlic, and wrapped in foil.

I served it with braised cabbage (boil chopped white cabbage for 5 minutes, then drain - in the pan you boiled it, melt a good dollop of butter and gently fry a couple of chopped shallots. Add the cabbage back into the pan, season with salt and white pepper, stir, add the juice of a lemon and then gently braise for around 20-30 minutes).

Along with this, we had poached asparagus.

  • last night we had sausages with roasted vegetables. Brown sausages briefly (you just want colour, not to cook them through). Put them in a roasting tin, and add 2-3 peppers, sliced into quarters, a chunked aubergine, a few sliced shallots, a couple of sliced courgettes, some garlic cloves and a few chillies (optional if you don't like the heat!). Drizzle well with olive oil and season with salt and black pepper, and then bake for 40 minutes until starting to brown.
  • roast chicken; put the chicken on a trivet made from shallots/onion and a couple of carrots. Season the chicken with olive oil, salt, black pepper, dried oregano and thyme. Add a glass of wine to the roasting tin and another glass of water, and then roast your chicken for 20 minutes on high, then 60 minutes or so at a lower heat till it's cooked and the skin is nice and crispy.

When it's cooked, remove the chicken from the roasting tin and cover with foil, and rest for 10-15 minutes. Tip the juices and the cooked veg into a smaller pan and then blitz with a hand blender till it's a smooth gravy.

We had it served with mashed celeriac and leeks braised in butter.

If you don't want eggs, then you don't have to have them!

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Titsywoo · 11/10/2020 22:01

Looking forward to starting tomorrow! I did a few days low carb last week to get myself into the swing of it but had a night out this weekend (and a hangover today) so didn't stick to it then. I've got 3 stone at least to lose so hoping to get a good start here.

I may have missed it but you mentioned an allowed veg list in the OP - is there a link to this?

ShagMeRiggins · 11/10/2020 22:07

BIWI I’ve never heard your story, so thanks for sharing that. Really interesting while at the same time so familiar to many.

I think it was you upthread who also said...

If you still find yourself wanting eat between meals, ask yourself if you're really hungry, or if you're just eating out of habit - or out of boredom/the need to treat yourself...

...and my first thought was WATER! WATER! WATER!

I don’t believe water substitutes for food on this way of eating. There are far too many examples of participants who drink all the water and eat three full meals a day. I know that’s anecdotal, but it’s the truth.

What I’ve found is that drinking all the water helps me tune into my hunger.

If I think I need a snack I will often have some more water (because often we aren’t Sri king the right amount), then I’ll decide.

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