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Bootcamp Ordinaire - Week 2

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BIWI · 31/05/2020 21:33

Evening campers!

Setting this up now, as I had a bad night last night so I'm sloping off to bed early

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Seriously - if you haven't had a look, explore all the different resources on the tabs

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BIWI · 01/06/2020 21:09

WHY IT'S NOT ABOUT CALORIES

This is such a great piece by Dr Jason Fung that I've copied all of it. This will mean that a couple of the charts won't show up, however.

You can read it on The Diet Doctor

The calorie debacle
October 31 2016 by Dr. Jason Fung, MDDr. Jason Fung, MD in Calorie counting

Eat Less. Cut your calories. Watch your portion size. Those form the foundation of conventional weight loss advice over the last 50 years. And it’s been an utter disaster, perhaps only topped by the nuclear meltdown of Chernobyl. This advice is all based on a false understanding of what causes weight gain.

Why don’t we ever consider the critical question of “What causes obesity?” We believe that we already know the full answer. It seems so obvious, doesn’t it? We think that excessive intake of calories causes obesity. We think that this is a caloric imbalance. Too many ‘calories in’ compared to too few ‘calories out’ leads to weight gain. This Calorie Balance model of obesity has been drilled into us since childhood.

Fat Gained = Calories in – Calories Out

The underlying, unspoken premise is that these are independent variables fully under conscious control. This completely ignores the multiple overlapping hormonal systems that signal hunger and satiety. This further assumes that basal metabolism remains stable and unchanging.

But these assumptions are known to be incorrect. Basal metabolic rate can adjust up or down by forty percent. Restriction of calories invariably leads to a reduction in metabolism, ultimately defeating weight loss efforts.

For the last 50 years, we have unquestioningly followed this ‘Caloric Reduction as Primary’ program. Dietary fat, being high in calories were restricted. We made food guides, food pyramids, and food plates to indoctrinate children into this brand new low-calorie religion. ‘Cut your calories’ was hymn of the day. “Eat Less, Move More!” we chanted.

Nutrition labels were mandated to include calorie counts. Programs and apps were created to more precisely count calories. We invented small appliances like Fitbits to measure exactly how many calories we were burning. Using all of the ingenuity that makes us human, focused like a laser beam, and dogged as a turtle crossing a road, we cut calories. What was the result? Did the problem of obesity simply fade away like the morning mist on a hot summer day?

The results could hardly have been worse if we had tried. The storm of obesity and type 2 diabetes started in the late 1970’s and today, some forty years later, it has become a global Category 5 hurricane, threatening to engulf the entire world.

What went wrong?
Only two possibilities can explain how obesity could spread so rapidly in the face of this shiny new advice to reduce fat and calories. Perhaps the ‘Caloric Reduction as Primary’ advice is simply wrong. The second possibility is that this advice was good, but people simply were not following it. The spirit was willing but the flesh was weak.

This is the game called, “Blame the Victim”. This shifts the blame from the advice giver (the advice is bad) to the advice taker (the advice is good, but you are not following it). Was the entire obesity epidemic simply a sudden, simultaneous, coordinated, worldwide lack of willpower? The world can barely agree upon which side of the road we should drive, but yet, without discussion we all decided to eat more and move less?

By declaring that their scientifically unproven caloric reduction advice was flawless, doctors and nutritionists could conveniently shift the blame from themselves to you. It wasn’t their fault. It was yours. No wonder they loved this game so much! To admit that all their precious theories of obesity were simply incorrect was too psychologically difficult. Yet evidence continued to accumulate that this new caloric restriction strategy was about as useful as comb to a bald man.

The Women’s Health Initiative was the most ambitious, important weight loss study ever done. This enormous randomized trial involving almost 50,000 women evaluated this low-fat, low calorie approach to weight loss. Through intensive counseling, women were persuaded to reduce daily caloric intake by 342 calories and increase exercise by 10%. Calorie counters expected a weight loss of 32 pounds over a single year. This trial was expected to validate conventional nutritional advice.

But when the final results were tallied in 2006, there was only crushing disappointment. Despite good compliance, over 7 years of calorie counting led to virtually no weight loss.1 Not even a single pound. This study was a stunning and severe rebuke to the Caloric theory of obesity. Reducing calories did not lead to weight loss.

So, there were now two choices. First, we could respect the expensive, hard-won scientific evidence to devise a most robust, more correct theory of obesity. Or, we could simply keep all our convenient, preconceived notions and ignore the science. The second choice involved far less work and far less imagination. So, this groundbreaking study has largely been ignored and relegated to the dustbins of nutritional history. We have been paying the pied piper every since, as the twin epidemics of obesity and type 2 diabetes explode.

Real world studies only served to confirm this stunning fiasco. Conventional dietary treatment of obesity carries an estimated 99.4% failure rate. For morbid obesity, the failure rate is 99.9%. These statistics would not surprise anybody in the diet industry, or even, for that matter, anybody who has ever tried to lose weight.

The Calories In, Calories Out theory had gained widespread acceptance based on its seemingly intuitive truth. However, like a rotting melon, digging past the outer shell reveals the putrid interior. This simplistic formula is riddled with erroneous assumptions.

Why doesn’t calorie counting work?
The most important source of error is that reducing ‘Calories In’ leads to a reduction in metabolic rate, or ‘Calories Out’. A 30% reduction in calorie intake is quickly met with a decrease in basal metabolic rate of 30%. The net result is that no weight is lost.

The other major false assumption is that weight is consciously regulated. But no system in our body is wholly unregulated like that. The thyroid, parathyroid, sympathetic, parasympathetic, respiratory, circulatory, hepatic, renal, gastrointestinal and adrenal systems are all closely controlled by hormones. Body weight and body fat are also strictly regulated. In fact, our bodies contain multiple overlapping systems of body weight control. Body fat, one of the most important determinants of survival in the wild, is not simply left to the vagaries of what we decide to put in our mouths.

Hormones control hunger, telling our body when to eat and when to stop. Ghrelin is a powerful hormone that causes hunger, and cholecystikinin and peptide YY are hormonal satiety signals, which tell us that we are full and should stop eating.

Think about the last time you were at the all-you-can-eat buffet. Imagine that you’ve already eaten many heaping platefuls of food, and you are completely, 110% full. Now, could you eat a few more pork chops? Merely the thought might make you nauseous. Satiety hormones are exerting a powerful effect to stop you from eating. Contrary to many popular beliefs, we do not simply continue eating simply because food is available. Calorie consumption is under tight hormonal control.

Hormonal adaptationsStudies show that weight loss leads to persistent elevations in ghrelin which leads to increased hunger even 1 year after weight loss.2 It was simply the loss of willpower, these patients were actually, physically, measurable hungrier.

Hormones also regulate our basal metabolic rate, the baseline level of energy needed to keep our bodies running normally. This is the energy used to generate body heat, to power our heart muscles, our lungs, our liver, our kidneys, etc. Low caloric intake reduces basal metabolic rates as much as 40% in an effort to conserve energy. Deliberate over-feeding increases basal metabolic rates as the body tries to ‘burn’ off the excess energy.

Fat accumulation is really not a problem of energy excess. It’s a problem of energy distribution. Too much energy is diverted to fat production as opposed to, say, increasing, body-heat production. This energy expenditure is controlled hormonally. For example, we cannot decide how much energy to expend on fat accumulation versus new bone formation. Therefore, what is important is how to control the hormonal signals we receive from food, not the total number of calories we eat..

As long as we believed, wrongly, that excessive caloric intake led to obesity, we were doomed to failure. Under this paradigm, 500 calories of brownies is just as fattening as 500 calories of kale salad, a notion that is clearly ridiculous. Blaming the victim turned obesity from a hormonal disorder into a moral failure and excused medical professionals from their botched attempts to treat the obesity epidemic.

We could not ‘decide’ to be less hungry. We could not ‘decide’ to increase basal metabolic rate. If ate less calories, our body simply compensated by decreasing metabolic rate. Different foods evoke different hormonal responses. Some foods were more fattening than others. Calories were not the underlying cause of weight gain. Therefore, reducing calories could not reliably reduce weight.

Obesity is a hormonal, not a caloric imbalance. The hormonal problem was mainly insulin.


Jason Fung

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girlwithgreeneyes · 01/06/2020 21:16

Just checking in..........going well so far and weirdly getting on with IF, even found an app! not so happy about the black coffee in the morning though

Notwatchingtvtoday · 01/06/2020 21:39

Evening, 5lbs off, but I was LC the week before and did not loose anything, so for those sticking to the rules who have not lost, I was not surprised as I have found that I have to wait til the second week to see a loss.
Maybe like a car needing to slow down before it can drive in reverse 😀

lurknolinger · 01/06/2020 22:07

signing up late, can someone add me to the spreadsheet please. I can't seem to edit the name cell. Starting weight from last Tuesday ( I only found this thread the evening before and have spent all week catching up) was 13.2, lost 3.5lbs this week so now 12.12.5
I've done several bootcamps before, and was finding that after the initial 3-4 weeks my weight loss was slow with some plateaus of a few weeks of no loss, so last week was really useful as having to count carbs and stick to 1000 calories made me realise just how much I had been eating and was shocked to realise the amount of calories in the butter and mayonnaise I'd previously allowed myself.
Last week I was still able to have those things but in much more controlled quantities but still didn't feel hungry in between meals, so I'm going to be much more mindful of that and making sure I eat when I'm hungry and don't have ALL the mayonnaise just because it's allowed.
Thank you BIWI and Athelstane for setting this up.

Patapouf · 01/06/2020 22:17

Well done for all the losses this week everyone!

I am pleased with my loss, it wasn't as enormous as first weeks on pervious BCs but i guess i have been intermediate-carbing for about a month now and have lost a little already.

1stMrsF · 01/06/2020 22:20

@ShagMeRiggins thank you Blush it was so lovely to read your post. We all had a good day Smile

colouringindoors · 01/06/2020 23:06

pmk

BIWI · 01/06/2020 23:15

@PseudoBadger

I've had a pain in my stomach since about midday - worried it's my gallbladder Sad
Sorry I missed this post earlier.

And sorry you're in pain Sad

What makes you think it's your gallbladder though?

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 02/06/2020 07:33

You're on @lurknolinger - I haven't put your numbers in though as not sure which one/date you want to start from.

Puppermint · 02/06/2020 08:09

At my desk with a black coffee after an early morning HIIT and run session. Really wanted to stay in bed but dragged my sorry arse out and feel better now kind of . That said, am looking forward to my rest day tomorrow after three days of exercise.

Yesterday's food was soooo nice, but I do worry it was a bit dairy heavy. That's one thing I limited in Uber week and I do have a tendency to overeat on it so will need to keep a close check.

Food was:
L: salad of leaves, two cherry toms, cucumber, radish, avocado in olive oil and WW vinegar dressing, halloumi, Serrano ham and braessola (sp? Dried beef...)
D: roast chicken, broccoli and asparagus in butter, cauli in blue cheese and cream sauce.

Today I was planning on an omelette for lunch but might switch it for a tuna and egg salad instead to cut down on the dairy. Tea will be leftover chicken, salad and homemade coleslaw.

I've also got chicken stock bubbling away in the slow cooker which I'll turn into soup at some point.

SophieRay · 02/06/2020 08:26

I was feeling a bit better by the end of the day yesterday but then ended up with the insomnia last night. Wide awake until 3am. Just not like me at all - sleeping is one thing I'm really good at! Wanted an early start this morning, but clearly slept through the alarm and just woke up when someone's messaged me - good job as DD has (online) school at 8.45.

Weighed and I've put on two pounds. Was spot on yesterday apart from no exercise and had even more water than usual so not sure how I've managed to put on, will ignore it for today (actually put a pound on last Tuesday as well) and just carry on. Really hungry this morning so looking forward to buttery eggs and I think I need about a buckets worth of black tea to get me going. Hope everyone has a good day.

devoncreamtea · 02/06/2020 08:28

Morning campers! Too much sun here over last few days and feel a bit dehydrated and sore today. So will stay out of it today and concentrate on water!
B scrambled eggs, avo, bacon
L cold meat and salad - or a lettuce leaf wrap.
D salad with beef strips and blue cheese and a vinaigrette dressing.
Everyone else having steak sandwiches but I have found I’m not even slightly tempted by the ciabatta. The only thing I miss a bit bread wise, is peanut butter on toast.
Have a good day all!

prettybird · 02/06/2020 08:28

I'm confused - why would swapping from an omelette to tuna & egg salad reduce your dairy? Confused Butter doesn't count as dairy. Confused Unless you were planning on putting cheese into your omelette?

Your menu yesterday looks good and not particularly dairy heavy. Don't get hung up on dairy at this stage. It doesn't cause a stall for everyone; it's something you can look at if further down the line you experience a stall.

prettybird · 02/06/2020 08:48

On a serious point @SquishyBones - lost of taste and smell is an official symptom now which I'm sure you're aware of Sad - so you should be arranging for a test and self-isolating until you get the result.

Not sure which country you live in as the procedure is different in the different parts of the UK, but this is the English advice.

Bootcamp Ordinaire - Week 2
BrassicaBabe · 02/06/2020 08:54

another day where the family need to eat and I need to decide what that is Hmm Lacking in inspiration!

I've seen chicken thighs mentioned a lot. What are you guys doing with them?

BIWI · 02/06/2020 09:07

@Puppermint

At my desk with a black coffee after an early morning HIIT and run session. Really wanted to stay in bed but dragged my sorry arse out and feel better now kind of . That said, am looking forward to my rest day tomorrow after three days of exercise.

Yesterday's food was soooo nice, but I do worry it was a bit dairy heavy. That's one thing I limited in Uber week and I do have a tendency to overeat on it so will need to keep a close check.

Food was:
L: salad of leaves, two cherry toms, cucumber, radish, avocado in olive oil and WW vinegar dressing, halloumi, Serrano ham and braessola (sp? Dried beef...)
D: roast chicken, broccoli and asparagus in butter, cauli in blue cheese and cream sauce.

Today I was planning on an omelette for lunch but might switch it for a tuna and egg salad instead to cut down on the dairy. Tea will be leftover chicken, salad and homemade coleslaw.

I've also got chicken stock bubbling away in the slow cooker which I'll turn into soup at some point.

That doesn't look too dairy heavy to me - and not sure why you think an omelette would result in too much dairy?

Butter doesn't count as dairy, by the way!

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Freetodowhatiwant · 02/06/2020 09:15

Morning all, I had a dream in which I was shouting at people to remember to social distance and then eating handfuls of Victoria sponge! In my dream I was so embarrassed about how much I had eaten I was pushing the remaining cake into the middle of the plate to try to make it look more. I was almost scared this morning to weigh myself as I actually worried about the dream cake carbs 😂

Im impressed at the morning exercise already! I’ve done sod all but did do a weight work out in the garden yesterday and will hopefully do a big walk today.

Off to have a black coffee. I have been avoiding milk in drinks in my fasting window but realised yesterday that I was having a good four cups with milk during my eating window so I think I will try to cut that down to two. I have got used to having a proper cuppa after eating and also one or two in between.

Slightly down on the scales again this morning. Just 1.7lbs and I will be 9 stone something rather than 10 something which always feels nicer. Still a good 8-10 lbs to go though.

prettybird · 02/06/2020 09:29

Brassicababe - I have two favourite ways of cooking chicken thighs.

Sticky lemon roast chicken : oven proof pan, chicken thighs, lemon squeezed over and two halves tucked amongst the thighs along with multiple unpeeled (but bruised) garlic cloves, olive oil drizzled over, seasoned with sea salt and pepper, roasted for 40 minutes at 200C (original recipe had torn basil added after 20 minutes and a glass of wine deglazing the juices from the pan at the end but I don't bother).

Spicy yoghurt marinaded chicken thighs : mix some cumin, chopped/crushed garlic, coriander, chopped chilli, grated ginger into some Greek yoghurt. Slash the chicken thighs deeply and then put into the marinade, ensuring they're all roasted. Roast on foil or bbq. I've also done these with drum sticks.

ilovecherries · 02/06/2020 09:31

If anyone likes graphs and reports I’ve used an app called happy scale for the last three years. I put in my weight every day and it smooths out all the day to day variations for you so you can see trends. That line keeps me nicely motivated.

LostaraYil · 02/06/2020 09:35

Thank you so much BIWI for that article, that was really useful for me! I always feel a bit uncomfortable at school teaching kids about energy in food and how fat has so much compared to carbs and protein etc. and I always try to include the fact that carbs cause an insulin spike, but I can add some points from this into the discussion. I think it's important to change what is being taught as it's still very much behind current research.

1Wildheartsease · 02/06/2020 09:46

Chicken thighs:

Olive oil a roasting tray
Put thighs in

Drizzle them with more oil and sprinkle on salt (and garlic)

Chop a lemon or lime into wedges )1 lemon for 4 thighs). And tuck these around the meat.

Bake in oven until gold and crisp (45 mins-1 hour at 200 )

prettybird · 02/06/2020 09:49

(Should have said in my recipe that that was a fan oven Blush)

Puppermint · 02/06/2020 09:58

@Prettybird and @BIWI my omelettes always have a big old glug of double cream and rather a lot of cheese. I have bootcapmed before under several different names and was always unsure if I had a problem with dairy mostly because I carried on drinking and regularly cheated so could never tell for certain . As I've stopped drinking for the time being and am being 100% I don't want to overdo dairy and risk not losing while I have my mojo. So I'm just a bit cautious is all.

@BrassicaBabe there's a really nice recipe for Oriental-style chicken thighs on the spreadsheet BIWI posted in the prep thread. I've done them twice now, once on the BBQ, and they were lovely.

BrassicaBabe · 02/06/2020 10:00

Excellent. Thanks for the chicken thigh recipes.

Found this recipe, hassleback halloumi. Looks interesting. I banged it through MFP and it came out at 568 cals and 7g carbs

www.olivemagazine.com/recipes/family/hasselback-halloumi-traybake/

Randomfatty · 02/06/2020 10:16

Morning - another disturbed night of sleep - was tired and then can’t sleep! ☹️ Look slimmer on my torso and I wish I had measured all my areas rather than just my weight and fat and visceral fat measurements.

Still doing 16:8 so will be having
Scrambled egg, rocket salad and some fish left over from yesterday for lunch.
For dinner - I’m making paneer with saag - I’ll be having with yoghurt and salad and everyone else will be having some flatbreads with it. I shall resist!
Hope everyone has a good day! 🌟😀🌟