Week 6 - Low Carb Bootcamp - the second half starts here!

[BIWI]

Morning all!

I would normally drop a link to the spreadsheet here, but for some reason I've had to request access to it

So until someone else - or @AthelstaneTheUnready - can sort this, I'm afraid I'll just have to start the thread without the link.

Thanks for the new link @AthelstaneTheUnready, that works fine again on my IPhone. Bliddy updates, always mess something up somewhere.
Gained a pound this week, due to several fails, namely discovering half a pack of fruit chews hiding in the cupboard, (and walloping them of course) last Tuesday, going out with friends not seen for 9 months on Weds (ate half a poppadom and a spoon full of rice with my curry, but worse, 3 pints of beer and half a bottle of wine)  And on Friday ate fish and chips on the beach.
I will be following this woe for life now though, not just for bc as I've had so many NSV's from it I would be daft not to, so I reckon I'd not be Human if I didn't fail sometimes

Don’t go MrsBB X

@Lonesurvivor, I totally missed your posts about blood pressure, and sympathise, mine is too high too, although my dr has given me 6 months to get my weight (and theoretically therefore my B.P. down) before she puts me on medication.
This thread does move incredibly fast, but I totally get how dispiriting it can be if you're feeling low, reaching out and apparently not being heard.
I hope you change your mind too @MrsBertBibby, for you both

Thank you for responding Stuntnun

I now mainly have my coffee with cream just prior to lunch (occasionally mid morning if been up v early) as if any earlier I won’t be ifing.

I will admit I have more mayo and butter than oil. I will try switching around. More oil, less mayo. I will imput in fp.

I did one of those calculators recently which indicated for me to lose about 1lb a week my cals needed to be around the 900 mark, which I feel is too low. Perhaps actually it isn’t

My system doesn’t work efficiently and I have very slow transit (due to sci) so my body has all the time in the world to pull out every last scrap of nutrition and lay any surplus down as fat ... me thinks anyway.

Onwards and upwards. On a positive note I generally feel better in myself without the cravings and insulin spikes. Even though recently I have developed further complications from my sci which has made me less mobile than normal so being stuck might have something to do with that too.

Biwi I haven't found BC intimidating. I think you're usually very measured with your responses and only point out that the plan won't/can't work if it's not stuck to.

Waswittyonce thankyou, I wasn't posting to try and make anyone else feel bad, truly. I just wanted to point out that I understand how sometimes if we're feeling a little vulnerable we can misinterpret things or put more emphasis on responses or lack of than is ever intended.

Have you seen any improvement yet with your Bp? Here in Ireland Boots pharmacies do free blood pressure checks which is handier than having to go to your gp all the time.
I've been pre hypertension for a while as my weight climbed. It went into high levels late last year. I initially thought the weigh loss was helping but it's actually got worse. I had a 24 hour blood pressure monitor on and it's high all the time but especially at night. I'm concerned there maybe an underlying issue causing it. But I've started a low dose med and will keep an eye on it.

How much weight are you hoping to lose?

BIWI you always get to hear the negative things because those happy with the way things are don't often post so urgently!

Bootcamp is really supportive and helpful. The information on the HFLC system is clear here - and those of us trying it are supported as we stumble through the basics.

The spreadsheet is evidence of astonishing success.

The rules are straightforward and explanations for those of us who get stuck are clear and quickly given.

BIWI don't change. You are exactly what we need! Out in the world there is far too much 'pussy-footing' on the subject of eating and losing weight ... it is often tactful and well-meaning, but not helpful to those in the struggle.

The struggle is a really serious one. Not being able to be a healthy weight has life-changing consequences.

Hope you're ok @MrsBertBibby for whatever you decide to do.

Thanks for the new link Athel and happy belated birthday. I was able to record my whopping weekly loss of 1lb. Am 0.5 of a lb away from my first goal of 10 stone. Can't wait to see 9 instead of 10.

Gammel I think I'm going to have to follow suit and not buy any more peanut butter. It's definitely easier if the temptation is eliminated.

Something bizarre is happening when I try to amend the spreadsheet along line 135. It keeps jumping to lines 136 and 137, with apologies to them, and creating circular references.

Please BiWi or Athelstane, really sorry, could you sort this out? Infuriating as messing up other people’s and not being able to input a 6 lb loss, bringing me to a stone..yay, not sure I believe it yet.

BIWI. its there fear of the stick that keeps me on track!!!

No approach will work for everyone and im sure we have all had times where we have wanted to quit things and it isn't necessarily something about that thing that made us quit but outside factors at the same time.

gained a half lb this morning despite having a really good day yesterday. havent been to the loo for a while which may be why. will keep going and try to drink more water and see if that makes a difference.

I also had a whoosh a few days ago and i often find i stablise a little a couple of days later so this is perhaps what has happened too.

i have a holiday at the seaside for five days this week from wed eve and i wont have my scales. have arranged it to be mainly self catering with some eating out, have already planned what i'm having at the restaurant on friday (lovely fish place) so will try not to think about weight for a few days but stick to LC and come back and see where i am, hopefully moved down a bit.

There will be lots of walking which may help!

Ive just looked at the fruit list and realised for the first time in years of LC that blueberries are super carby!!! im horrified i thought they were the same as strawbs/rasps. well thats them off the shiopping list then :(

@Leelaseye I've finally dropped into the 9 stone somethings! I about peed myself when the scales settled. My next goal is 9.5 stone, which I'm aiming for before my holidays in 4 weeks. 5lbs 4oz to go. I know I'll get there, the STS days, small gains or losses are irrelevant now, because I'm so comfortable doing this WOE. I feel so much better, am sleeping better and don't miss the crap I used to eat in the slightest. This bootcamp helps every day, so thanks to everyone who posts and run it. KOKO everyone.

Twoo I don't think anyone should be eating 900 calories a day. I have coached a few people who were on the Blood Sugar Diet and they always seem to either gain weight or stall for ages as soon as they transition on to a sustainable food intake. Yes they lost a lot of fat fast on the BSD but they also lost muscle mass and when you're on that amount of calories for weeks your body puts all non-essential maintenance on hold. I think very low calorie diets are only appropriate for people that absolutely need to lose weight quickly because their life is at risk, i.e. people with serious complications of diabetes, or people who urgently require surgery and their weight is increasing the risks.

Lonesurvivor I only grouped mayonnaise in with cream and cheese when replying to Twoo because most of the added fats she is using contain carbs. Butter and oils are carb-free so they're a better way to get into the right macro ranges on this way of eating. Dairy foods sometimes cause issues because they are hyper-insulinogenic, that is the amount of insulin released is much higher than would be released in response to a non-dairy protein. The purpose of restricting carbs is to keep insulin levels low since insulin prevents fat cells from their fat stores. In some people (but not everyone) eating dairy products several times a day results in a persistently high insulin level which interferes with weight loss.

MrsBert please don't leave, maybe if you don't feel up to the thread at the moment take the rest of the week out and join again Monday?

BIWI sorry you've been having a hard time. I must say that when we first started I was intimidated by the fast moving thread and that I need to read all the replies but it's become normal now, not intimidated by you or any other posters though. Please don't take it to heart. Thanks so much for running the bootcamp, it really does make a difference to so many people, and I must say I find it 1000% friendlier than the rest of MN.

@Lonesurvivor, I'm in pre hypertension I think, although it does go up and down a lot. I also get a bit of white coat syndrome too and my readings go up massively at the drs which doesn't help!
The problem with raised B.P. of course is that it's symptomless, so I find it all too easy to forget about it.
I'm sorry to hear you're still having problems despite the weight loss, though, that would be a blow, esp as the medics seem so sure it's the main cause. I must admit I know next to nothing about it all and I really must make more effort to find out. I have in the back of my mind that stress might play a part as I had been highly stressed for several months before my last drs appt. but since low carbing I feel much better and more in control of my life and the stress has pretty much gone away, so I've kind of assumed the B.P. problem has gone too, so I must test it.
I hope you get to the bottom of what is causing yours soon, I think mine has always been on the higher side of 'normal', even when I was stick thin extremely fit and 20, could you be the same? Given how wrong our dietary advice has been over the last 40 odd years it wouldn't surprise me if we learn in years to come they've been wrong about blood pressure all along too!

If you're spreading the dairy out through the day then it could well be playing haywire with your insulin levels.

@StuntNun, given the explanation you gave a couple posts up, could I surmise that it’s possible for someone like me (who is not stalled by dairy) to potentially gain faster weight loss by simply restricting dairy to one time of day?

I have some form of cheese with virtually every meal, but would be willing to change that it might make a difference.

Also, is real homemade French mayonnaise in the same category as ‘mayo’ when stating that butters and oils are better than mayo? With an ingredients list of:

Egg yolk
Oil
Dijon mustard
Salt
Pepper
White vinegar

It seems virtually carb free to me, wondering your opinion. Thanks as always for all the information.

OrlandaFuriosa you don’t get to squeak by without a HUGE well done after quietly burying news of a 6lb loss in your post.

Just listing out food yesterday:

Brunch - cheese omelette with side salad
Dinner - cod with ratatouille and some feta
Water - 3 litres

I’m guessing not enough fat but I shouldn’t be gaining eating like this?

waswittyonce I was convinced the weigh loss would help, maybe it will time will tell I suppose. My blood pressure was always normal even when pregnant or ill but there's a family history not as young as 45 though. I blamed my weight initially, getting to 18stone has to impact somewhere. But while it initially went down it's actually risen higher than ever now.
Interesting to hear you mention stress and white coat syndrome.
I'm currently dealing with a big concern for a while now and while I think I'm managing it by taking it in my stride maybe it's affecting me in this way.
Do test your blood pressure because it can be a hidden problem and at least early intervention may prevent future problems.

stunt that makes such sense, I swapped mayonnaise for oil and seasoning on my salad earlier. I was looking at it thinking I'm going to need to add some mayo for taste but decided to taste it first. It was fabulous, no need for anything else.
The effects of low fat brain washing are going to take some time to undo I was looking at the salad thinking the oil would make me gag and be slimy tasting. It was so nice and lovely to have a change too.

Shag the only way to be certain whether you're affected by dairy is to test your blood glucose levels after eating it. If anyone in your household has a glucose meter then that would be easy enough to do. Otherwise you could try restricting it to once a day to see whether it makes any difference to you. As for your homemade mayo it will still contain some carbs in the egg yolk and mustard so not necessarily bad but not carb free.

Shag, thanks v much....am pleased. But note that in M&S I am size x, in cotton traders of several years ago I am x+1, in M&S of 10 years ago I am x+2! ( you can see that classically I hold on to outdated wrong sized clothes..). I tend to judge myself by what I can fit into.

@MrsBertBibby please hang around - if only so I'm not alone in my struggles must learn to be less selfish but seriously, stick around and keep on trying because what's the alternative? This is better than any alternative I can think of so I'm sticking with it.

@Twoo keep with it too - I totally get where you are coming from and it's bloody annoying when you can't point to a slip up and yet the scales are being stubborn. But let's be more stubborn than the scales and stick with this.

Frankly if I had a choice of eating a low calorie diet and not losing weight or this high fat malarkey and not losing weight, I'm going to choose this way of eating because at least I am getting to eat lots of yummy fatty food!

My day so far:
B: coffee with cream - just the one!
L: m and s ham and egg salad with extra mayo and a side portion of oily artichoke
D: will be a surprise and husband cooking but I suspect it will be fried steak with oily salad.

Hit my water quota already as it's bloody hot today! Running home from the office today so will also do 9 mile run! Hopefully I will sweat half a stone off!

@BIWI I'm sorry you've had negative feedback. You do a great job here and give up so much of your knowledge and time and I appreciate it.

To be fair there is a big clue in the name bootcamp - this is meant to be a real concerted and focused effort with no slacking. Yes, we can fall off the wagon but it's good to have a realistic voice reminding us of how it's ultimately our choice and we have to have accountability for our actions.

Is mayo dairy?

BiWi, cheers from here..and gratitude..mega. Much appreciated.

Thank you Farine. On reflection I agree, I’d rather eat this woe than low cal even if I’m not losing.

Shag what method do you use to make your mayo. Your ingredient list is the same as mine. My method is where you put the lot in a narrow vessel and use a stick blender. Always worked previously. Tried 4 times, FOUR, to make it recently and it turned out thin and runny . Me thinks the gods are transpiring against me and sabotaging my mayo so I have more oil. Who’d have thought BIWIs big stick would reach to the heavens ... Be warned, there is no hiding place

... and thank you everyone.

@Iamnotacerealkiller Im going away on a summer holiday soon to, to France. I'm really looking forward to it. I have a longish body short legs so find one piece costumes fairly tricky - the cleavage always seems to gape somehow, so I shall be digging out my bikini last seen in 2014! Thanks to @BIWI and boot camp I'm feeling OK about it.