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Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

New Year, New Start Week 2: This WoE works!

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prettybird · 15/01/2018 08:10

Welcome to Week 2 - the one where many of us (especially the newbies) will see the biggest drops. For those that don't, the drops will come. We will have seen other benefits too: brighter eyes, smaller waist (with the reduction of dangerous visceral fat from around our organs) - and all without feeling hungry Smile Week 2 is also when I find that my pschological urge to snack reduces.

Remember that you still need to adhere to the Rules. This is not a forgiving Way of Eating and if you cheat, you will set back the process of getting your body to adapt to fat burning. Only one more week of being ultra strict - it is only one more week Smile If you're thinking of cheating, come on here and we will talk you down. It really helps if you are prepared and have low carb snacks with you, or drink some water when you think you are hungry.

Keep drinking the required water ( StuntNun has explained why this is important). Avoid nuts and seeds (unless you are veggie), all fruit (you can look forward to the odd treat of berries from next week) - and no alcohol or artificial sweetender for another week.

The Spreadsheet of Fabulousness is here to remind you to keep to the straight and narrow with the Rules and with resources to advise you. You can weigh-in if you choose to, but it is not compulsory. Over the weeks, your weight loss will start to average 1-2lb a week, sometimes more sometimes less .

The Week 1 Spillover thread is here.

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orkneyfudge · 21/01/2018 11:31

Thank you for the rollito info!

BIWI · 21/01/2018 11:36

From this website - why men lose faster than women

Men tend to have more lean muscle tissue, which burns more calories than body fat, even during rest. And when men and women cut the same number of calories, men usually do lose more weight -- but it’s short-term. “Over the long-term, the playing field is more equal,” says dietician David Grotto, RDN, self-proclaimed “guyatician” and author of The Best Things You Can Eat. “It’s not a race to see who can lose weight the fastest. The important thing is that you’re both going in the same direction.”

Weight-loss programs often accentuate the difference. When sedentary men and women both start exercise programs, men tend to lose body fat, while many women don’t. In one study out of England, men and women were each put on commercial weight-loss programs such as Atkins, Slim-Fast and Weight Watchers. Two months in, the men had lost twice as much weight as the women -- and three times as much body fat. But by six months, the rate of weight loss had evened out between the genders.

If you’re a guy, you can thank the testosterone you have and the extra estrogen you don’t for your weight-loss edge. On average, women have between six and 11 percent more body fat than men, an assumed evolutionary adaptation to help during pregnancy. From puberty to menopause, women maintain more average body fat than men -- even when they take in fewer calories.

But it's important to remember that "fat" doesn't mean "unhealthy." Yes, women have larger fat stores, but it's part of their physiology, meaning it's not extra weight. So if a woman has 11 percent more body fat than a man, it doesn't mean she's 11 percent "fatter." A perfectly fit woman will still hold six to 11 percent more body fat than a perfectly fit man.

Also, men tend to lose weight where they need it most (read: belly), so it's often more immediately noticeable when overweight men start trimming down than when women do, as ladies' fat stores are typically more spread out, which is partly why they tend to lose weight at a slower pace than guys. Even basic, regular exercise ideally 30 to 60 minutes a day tends to reduce abdominal obesity, even if guys don’t technically lose weight.

Of course, ladies also lose abdominal weight quickly -- they just tend to have less of it. "Women with excess fat around the middle will lose it more or less as readily as men," says upwave review-board member David Katz, MD, MPH, the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center at the Yale University School of Medicine. "Men are more prone to gain weight around the middle."

That said, carrying extra weight around the middle is also tied to increased heart risks, making it arguably unhealthier to be an overweight man than a plus-size woman. Big bellies, it turns out, are a sort of a double-edged sword when it comes to weight loss: They're an extra health risk for men, but give guys the edge when it comes to dropping pounds.

Ladies, don't despair: Women have weight-related advantages, too. They tend to carry more body fat on their thighs and backsides (the so-called “pear” shape), which are much healthier places to hold weight than around the middle. Plus, while women are better at storing fat, they also tend to burn more body fat during exercise than men do. "The fat women find it hardest to lose is generally the least harmful to health," Katz says.

At the end of the day, dropping pounds is hard work for women and men. And, really, it all boils down to this: Anyone can lose weight -- it doesn’t matter what your gender is. You just have to be committed to doing it.

QueenOnAPlate · 21/01/2018 12:20

In terms of high fat, is that about helping us not feel hungry or an important bit if the science of how it works? I was really busy yesterday, not near any easy food choices and I didn't get to eat till 6pm. I wasn't particularly hungry and had a chicken and asparagus stir fry with chilli and some coconut cream but it was probably more chicken than fat. I felt fine afterwards so is this ok, or do I need to add extra fat to every meal?

BerylStreep · 21/01/2018 12:38

It’s a horribly wet day here where I am. Definitely a day for sitting in front of the fire and not doing much. Am still recovering from my flu, so I’m taking it easy.

Yesterday’s food:
B: scrambled eggs in coconut oil, smoked salmon and avocado. Coffee with unsweetened almond milk and a dash of cream.
L: Not hungry
D: Red Thai beef curry with green beans and courgette done in coconut oil.

I had a massive whoosh this week, but think it was because of the flu - I think my high temp was burning through fat as my resting heart rate was 90 bpm and it lasted for 4 days. Thankfully that seems to have settled down.

BIWI · 21/01/2018 12:40

It's a combination of all of that, @QueenOnAPlate. Hopefully @StuntNun will be around to explain the science!

Eating fat is about adding taste to food (it's the part of a steak, for example, that makes steak really tasty!), but also making your meal satiating.

From what I understand, it also encourages your body to burn more fat.

And there's something about it being good for your cholesterol levels, although I have to confess I can't remember the details of this.

On a meal-by-meal basis, if you don't have a huge amount of fat in one meal it shouldn't be a disaster - but overall you need to keep your fat levels up, to stop yourself getting hungry between meals.

Star2018 · 21/01/2018 12:47

AngryAngry

So annoyed! My time of the month always adds a kilogram to me, so all of my progress this week has been eradicated. I wouldn’t mind if it drops off afterwards but it doesn’t. It’s two steps forward and one back. So I will be posting the same weight tomorrow as I was last Monday, if not a little bit more! Angry

(Sorry for the rant)

Star2018 · 21/01/2018 12:48

By the way, the Tom Kerridge Dopamine Diet cookbook looks like it’s good for a low carb WOE? Has anyone got it or would recommend it?

Wh0KnowsWhereTheT1meG0es · 21/01/2018 12:53

Aww Star, how frustrating. Hopefully you'll be back on a loss next week.

The high fat aspect is just as hard as the low carb IMO. There's no doubt it fills me up but it leaves a greasy feeling and I often don't feel much like eating yet another plate of oily, rich food. I know we say you shouldn't feel deprived on this diet but I do feel deprived of some nice bland absorbent carbs to even out the rich oily aspect of the rest of the food. I guess I'll get used to it eventually.

DrStringzDulcimer · 21/01/2018 13:10

Hi all, hope it's ok to drop in. I've been on and off LCHF for a while now but need to get a bit more focused.

I have a party coming up this weekend and want to wear an old dress of my mum's that was made in the 60s (random but there is a reason for it!) However I can only just get it done up at the moment, so am hoping that a week of strict low-carb will help me be a bit less bloated by then!

My mum would have been considered a very average weight and shape (maybe even a bit 'chubby') when this dress was made. However I'd estimate that this dress would be a size 10 in the shops now. I'm usually a 14.

I might be kidding myself that I won't need a change of clothes halfway through the night Grin

BerylStreep · 21/01/2018 13:34

DrStringz, I remember borrowing an amazing original 1960s Jaegar outfit from my Mum for a 60s night.

I was at the height of my fitness, (it was quite a few years ago) and training or rowing 6 days a week. I struggled to get it done up and the waist was tiny. The thing is, at the time my Mum considered herself to be fat.

Body trends seem to have definitely changed since then. Not altogether for the better.

BIWI · 21/01/2018 13:54

@Star2018 - weight gain around your period should only be fluid retention. Which you deal with by drinking more water! It should disappear after your period has gone.

If you're continuing to gain weight, then it's your diet that's the issue.

List out what you've been eating and drinking over the last few days and let's see if we can help.

BIWI · 21/01/2018 13:55

Flicking through the TV channels recently, I stumbled on an old Top of the Pops, from the 1970s. I was really struck by how thin everyone was - and not just Pan's People! All the people in the audience too. It made me realise just how much we have come to normalise being over-weight.

QueenOnAPlate · 21/01/2018 14:10

star2018 I definitely had similar issues when low carving in the past and drinking extra water really made a difference this time.

Mimosa1 · 21/01/2018 14:11

Thanks @BIWI - I'll get DH to read your post Smile

@star it's a nuisance this period malarkey, sorry to hear it's throwing you off. Are you sure you never take that kilo off though? That would be 12 or 13 kg extra per year.

Not nearly enough water here but I too am in the house of lurgey. I've found a nice vanilla chai tea, that now tastes really sweet even without milk and sugar so going to have another cup of that.

Koko all

PennyMise · 21/01/2018 14:29

Send some positive will power my way today and tomorrow, peeps. Baking my little boy’s birthday cake today and resisting the urge to lick the spoon or the bowl might break me as will cutting the cake tomorrow night 😫 I did hop on the scales this morning and hoping that a 1.8 lb loss the past week helps me KOKO
Huge thanks @prettybird Your support the past few weeks has been tremendous.

prettybird · 21/01/2018 15:06

Star - a few of us have posted about Tom Kerridge's book. If you search back on this and the Week 1 threads, you'll find comments.

So far, I've made the turkey schnitzel which was tasty but a real faff so I ended up in a bad mood Confused I've used his way of cooking mince when I was making my own low carb lasagne. I've still to try his "breads" - they weren't full Boot Camp compatible, so I couldn't try them yet. Ditto with his desserts. He also uses a fair amount of artificial sweetener and honey - the former ok(ish) in desserts but not in savoury cooking imho, and the latter a "No No". In many cases I think the "sugar" can be dropped in the savoury stuff. But once you are confident with the principles of Boot Camp, I think his recipes can be fine-tuned easily.

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prettybird · 21/01/2018 15:14

DrString - of course it is ok for you to drop in! Smile

Read through the Rules that are in the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness, which is linked to in the OP of this thread. You need to follow the Rules for first 2 weeks, before having the option to go on to Boot Camp Lite (many of us stay on full Boot Camp or just do Lite at weekends).

If you read through this thread and the two threads for Week 1, you should find the answer to lots of the questions you might have - as well as some good motivating stories. Smile

Good luck with getting into your mum's dress Grin

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prettybird · 21/01/2018 15:32

PennyMise - I know you can resist the temptation of your ds' birthday cake (both today and tomorrow). Just think of the progress that you've made so far Star

BIWI : you're so right about the normalising of overweightedness Sad. This can also be seen in the vanity sizing that is prevalent in the UK Hmm As a hoarder of clothes, I have "old" size 10s and 12s in storage that I am still miles away from being able to wear Shock indeed, if I ever will again It would be nice if I could get into them by the 16th May, my 20th wedding anniversary.

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prettybird · 21/01/2018 15:53

Beryl - it's a lovely snowy day here. Dh and I have just been for a walk around the local park.

Just going to make a bacon sandwich for dh and ds (who are watching the rugby again ) - naked bacon for me. Smile

New Year, New Start Week 2: This WoE works!
New Year, New Start Week 2: This WoE works!
New Year, New Start Week 2: This WoE works!
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CointreauVersial · 21/01/2018 16:42

Just drinking my first ever bullet-proof coffee!

Despite having low-carbed on and off for the last eight years, I'd always been put off, imagining it to be some sort of greasy liquid with a scum of fat floating on top. Not at all - it's surprisingly nice. It helps that I like coconut, because I can definitely taste it.

I might try the timesaver I read about somewhere, which is to pre-measure the unsalted butter/coconut oil into portions and keep in the fridge in a bag. So you just drop a lump into your coffee and blend with a milk whisk.

CointreauVersial · 21/01/2018 16:46

And yes, you are so right about the changes re: sizing. Back in the day, I was a 14 despite being lighter than I am now, with a much smaller waist. I found an ancient size 14 skirt in the loft recently and couldn't do the waist up. But in today's clothes, I'm a 12, occasionally 10.

Grimbles · 21/01/2018 17:03

Can anyone tell me why men tend to do better on this woe? It's working for me too I should add but DH seems to be able to get away for more carbs and lost faster I'm not jealous

It's bloody annoying! DH is actually the same weight as me now Sad

prettybird · 21/01/2018 17:04

BTW - I've added my mum's recipe for lasagne (adapted to be low carb) to the new recipe thread.

Feel free to add more recipes! Smile

.....when I'm back on a laptop, I'll link to it, unless someone else does it before then.

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DrStringzDulcimer · 21/01/2018 17:41

I'm making chicken curry tonight (all low carb, and cauli rice instead of basmati) and using skin-on chicken thighs. Didn't want the skin in the actual curry so took it off, sliced it up and put the strips in a hot oven with plenty of salt. I love pork crackling so thought it might work pretty well.

Oh. My. God. They are unbelievable. I stood in the kitchen and ate them all Blush. Am now worrying a bit that I've overdone it.

prettybird · 21/01/2018 17:45

Nah - you've not over done it - you've just eaten the chicken skins at a different time Wink

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