The inbetween BC BC for those who didn't do as well as they should on the real BC

[SayraT]

Ok, some of us (me) didn't do very well on the real actual BC and some others just feel the need to have a little extra push before the next real BC so this is our inbetween BC BC

I'll start, I'm currently 222 lb and want to be 217 lb by the start of the real BC (11th May). I will be recording my food daily to keep on track, I am also going to weigh daily.

Food

B: Flax wrap with butter, coffee with cream
L: M&S salad, ff yog
S: S&V peanuts (none left now so I'll have normal nuts or none at all)
D: Cauli-rice with hot smoked salmon

High fat and high carb is not a good mix!

But bear in mind that you are aiming, in the long term for a WOE that is still low(er) carb - you still need to keep it high fat. You shouldn't be looking to be too high in carbs.

Have you done any reading about low carbing? I think you'd really benefit fro it, so that you understand more about why fats are not the evil that you clearly think they are!

DH and I had to have this discussion and so far he's not overly happy to have no carbs with his dinner but I think looking at my meals is winning him over (plus the worry of what high fat and high carbs may do to his waistline). I told him if he def needs carbs and fair enough if he does, he does a lot of exercise, that he can get that from his b'fast and lunch which I don't prepare?

MiniBMW I actually find it far easier to train far harder when I am doing this woe, especially after the initial adaptation to it stage. There is loads of research on this and there has been a lot of success from many bootcampers to do large amounts of exercise without resorting to carby diets. I would recommend that you need to look into this more. It is harder for those doing large amounts of exercise in the first few weeks but it really is worth it to stick it out

I am happy to stay LC for ever. But as DH and DC wont be and are still eating the same meals as me just with extra mash i feel like i am harming them in some way.

I don't think all fats are evil at all - just that the animal ones may not be so healthy with a higher carb diet.

I haven't read anything about LC. I get the general gist but don't know the details. Are there any easy (and quick) books you can recommend? (i'm currently bogged down with ASD and sensory processing books and a baby weaning recipe one so i don't have lots of time to read).

Dr biffa is probably the easiest mrsk

mini it's a myth that you need carbs if you exercise. That art and science of low carbohydrate performance is a book to help. Also if you type that in YouTube along with the name Jeff volek, you will find a few talks by him that your dh can watch, about how you can train better once you are keto adapted.

Dr biffa

can I save the spreadsheet in google drive so I don't have to keep coming to the thread to click on the link and if so how?

I don't know nappy I have it saved on my bookmark bar.

nappy do what Sayra is doing, and save it as a bookmark.

Otherwise, every week on Bootcamp there's a new thread and I always post a link to the spreadsheet. If you keep that thread on your 'I'm watching' list, you can always go straight to it that way.

MrsK it's really important, if you're going to low carb for the rest of your life, that you know more about the science behind it. Dr Briffa's book is easy reading, and is the one I always recommend.

There is nothing wrong with eating animal fats.

You might also like to check out the Diet Doctor's website, and in particular, to watch

It's about 45 minutes long, but it should really help you.

Thanks for the recommendations. I shall order the dr briffa book. The Gary Taubes 'why we get fat' also caught my eye - is that any good?

My concern is for DH and the children really. As they still eat carbs. Is there any info on how this diet affects children? Also, now i'm thinking about it long term, is there any study on how it impacts the environment? All the extra animal products being consumed i mean. I have a friend who is a vegan for environmental reasons and i kind of feel i am killing the planet a bit.

The only way you can answer those questions is to read up on it, MrsK.

Re your children, ask yourself this. Why would a diet that comprises fresh meat and fish, with side orders of fresh vegetables and salad be bad for them? Do they really need a diet full of refined carbs like pasta and bread? Do they really need to eat so much sugar?

Have a read about the Paleo diet as well, as this might seem something you'd be happier for your children to eat (as it allows more fruit than a low carb diet might do)

And can I gently remind you that you still eat carbs too! You just consume them in the form of vegetables and salad. Once you've reached the weight you want, there's nothing to stop you adding in a few more carbs as well, in the form of carbier veg, or fruit.

The vegetarian myth

mrsk this woman was a vegan. Her book tells you how I'll she is now and how many animals die out, because great races of land are cleared to make way for the growing if wheat/ corn etc.

If you want to ease your conscience read this.

For dh and Ds, paleo would be safest, still carbs but not as many as a processed food diet. The only difference in paleo and keto (apart from the whole fat burning/carb burning), is they don't eat diary, they will have honey occasionally and they eat any fruits or veg.

I followed paleo in 2009 and felt great on it.

That should say- how ill she is now.

Races? Bloody acres!

Auto correct is a pita sometimes!

I can make enough mistakes on my own, thanks.....

Yes i will BIWI - i'm just musing out loud really.

DS1 is being a total monster with food atm and i'm not sure what he'll eat in the future. He is a carnivore tho and just picks the meat/fish out and refuses his veg/carbs. And of course he is refusing to eat anything but chocolate unless i feed him

Cheers Sass - i'll check it out.

Hello all can I join you please - I haven't read the whole thread but am just back from holiday and need to make sure that I get back on track IMMEDIATELY and don't go further down the slippery carb slope before May 11 Bootcamp starts.
I didn't do too badly overall but i will not be going near the scales until I have done at least a week back to normal. I definitely feel my habits are changing for good.
The other good thing is I was so glad I had lost weight while we were away but also having seen poolside photos I am pretty motivated to get one more stone gone.
MrsKoala reading your posts about family with interest as I have been worrying a little about my DH diet too as he isn't sticking to LCHF anymore.

Mrs k, my boys are the same, they'd happily live on meat!

Nuts too, perhaps they're natural paleos

My boys eat a lot of good fats as they know they are good for them. If your children are given lots of good fats, medium protein and loads of veg they are unlikely to want tons of carbs on top of that. Fat stops you being hungry and makes you thin. That is the message it will take about 30 years to convince the NHS of even though many good doctors now know that that is so. it is very hard to admit you have been wrong for decades and made the nation as fat as pigs.

But Lotus how do you get them to eat those things if they refuse? DS1 is 2.7 and has suspected ASD. Getting him to eat anything is a challenge atm.

THANK YOU to whoever suggested celery with pate. It is delicious and amazing and I love it, just had two bits for breakfast and a hard boiled egg. Absolutely delicious.

Last night's dinner was Slow Cooked Pork with Ginger & Coconut from the recipe thread. Twas lovely, & so easy to make. I had it with buttered cauli & broccoli & the others had it with rice.

Mrs K have a look at this web site, paleo / grain free seems to be very effective in mitigating symptoms for some people with ASD. I'd say that low carb and paleo can live very happily together, paleo have more fruit, honey, sweet potato etc but the core of eating plenty of good fat and high quality protein is very much the same. As you are thinking of moving into maintenance maybe paleo would work for the whole family?

againstallgrain.com/2013/08/21/book-tour-update-paleo-autism/

MrsK, gosh just do your best. Parents should not worry too much about children's food. My youngest are teenagers. It is very different with younger ones. When i was little there was all sorts I did not eat in the 1960s and my mother had to pander to 2 or 3 different meals many times just asd I did with my older children - such is life. Far too many parents get really upset about small children not eating food and yet the damage they do shouting at them or worrying about it in my view is much worse than just relaxing and getting on with it.

We don't currently have processed food in the house. My older daughter was round at the weekend and opened a few drawers until she realised there wasn't a single biscuit in the house. She had some toast. I've had children's friends round unable to believe until they've been through every cupboard I have that no there is not a single sweet, cake, drink other than water, chocolate or crisps in the whole house. If something is not there it is hard for small children to eat it. However once they learn to drive..... my oldest boy will go out and buy the youngest teenager a whole tub of ice cream. They are old enough to take their own decisions but being young men they love things like steak, one buys a piece of tuna cut from the whole fish once a week and cooks it.

The older children has no sugar for a good few years and if it's not there and you cannot get it then you don't have it - you just get used after a week or two.

All 5 children by the way including teenagers are pretty fit - girls (grown up) run marathons, do triathlons or play sport for England type of thing, boys always playing tennis and one tends to win the sports prize at school but I do love it that they have different views. We debate eating and they like to bait me or have a different attitude and I say that's fine. I would much rather they ate what their internet research tells them is how they should eat than follow what I think as if I were some kind of parental God. One is doing a monthly test/survey of expensive chocolates he orders by post and doles those out to his sibling. I am quite relaxed about it all. Let them eat cake etc if they want. They know my views.

Also not eating can be good and fairly easy. We have too many constant snackings in the UK so if they decide not to eat a school lunch that's fine with me, Our ancestors often had long gaps between meals and it heals the body. And sometimes they don't eat all day. Their choice although as I've paid for school lunch it would be better to have it if they can.

I think it's better to concentrate on what the parents eat as if you eat well you tend to be happier and nicer and kinder to children and less bad tempered so I would start with sorting out parental eating.

chicken and salmon burgers

I'm just perusing the web for my food plan, as I'm going to aldi in a minute, and I found these.

Thought I'd share.

ooh, are you going to try the chicken and avocado burgers Sassandfaff? Can you get minced chicken from Aldi? I wouldn't be able to find that locally I don't think