Week 4 - January Low Carb Bootcamp - KOKO!

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Morning campers!

You know the drill! Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for your delectation

So week 3 is fairly typically a bit of a bastard. And I'm afraid to have to tell you all that week 4 is sometimes its best friend.

Don't panic if the scales aren't moving, or even if you're seeing a slight increase. This is totally totally normal for this period of time

Keep focused, make sure you're following the rules - particularly eating the fat and drinking the water - and things should get going again shortly.

If you're struggling, post here rather than dive into the biscuit tin!

Good luck everyone

Biwi constantly dieting Mothers. My mother was always on a diet, which meant that we had to be too, and being the 80's it was all low fat. my dad once had a go at me for having eggs and cheese for breakfast.

I meant chop, no shop ......

Morning all!!

Utterly crap day yesterday. I basically ate processed meat and no veg URGH.

I tried BPC though just coffee, cream and coconut oil and it was delish!! No butter in the house but I'll try tomorrow. My coconut oil really tastes of coconut which I love.

B: 2 eggs, bacon, BPC
L: beef stew
D: duck with 5 spice, buttered veg

Scales still under 12 stone this morning whoop

I need some help understanding please

We are told we need to eat enough, and eat enough fat. That weightloss might stall if you eat too little or too little fat.

Yet I also read that cells will only release fat for energy if they run out of dietary fat to use, and if we eat too much dietary fat we will not lose cellular fat.

I'm clearly using the fat I consume for energy because I'm maintaining my weight. But I'm not losing fat (regardless of 3 week stalls, the scales haven't moved for 2 weeks and I feel the same in my clothes) so am I eating too much fat?

Mfp (I know) estimates my average carb intake at around 40g. I could cut this down if I didn't eat yoghurt or avocado, they seem to be the highest carb thing I'm eating. I have been mixing the yogurt with ff cream to reduce the carb count, am I shooting myself in the foot by increasing the fat too much?

I know what you mean BIWI. From 15- 28 i dieted constantly (cambridge, cottage cheese and pineapple, slimfast, pills, wine coffee and cigarettes, etc). Then at about 28 i just stopped. I changed all my food from low cal/low fat to proper full fat food, started eating good fats. My hair and skin improved, as well as my moods and my weight stayed the same and stabilised. So i vowed never to 'diet' again.

But 2 pregnancies where i put on 3 stone on each (lost 2st at each birth - big babies!) and then BFing (where i store a lot of fat) has seen about 9lb go on which is hard to keep off (altho i think when i give up bfing it will come off easier like with DS1).

I remember about 15yrs ago a friend saying they really should eat more pasta as they know it's good for you . The way i try to cook is 'old fashioned' type food. The type of food my grandparents ate and watch portions. I also don't think treats are for everyday, but when i do want one i allow it.

I can become obsessively parsimonious with myself and have fetishised deferred gratification. Witholding things till i think i 'deserve it'. I find it a struggle to think i am worth something like nice food.

Oh and my mum was always commenting on my weight (as were all family and friends), I was always tall and broad and this meant i had to 'watch' what i ate. Mum spent her life on diet pills (speed) and put me on them at 18.

Forgot to post this week's weigh-in. STS again - but there again I'm 2 weeks ahead of you lot so therefore slap bang in the middle of the dreaded stall period and the Girls' Night Out where a few Jaegermeisters were partaken of wouldn't have helped

Here's hoping for a "whoosh" soon next week.

Morning Campers :)

Found the bailies in the pantry.
It was like a Mexican standoff all night but I was victorious!
I had cocoa instead....

B.Eggs
L. Salad with chicken.
D. cheap shelf surprise.

Have a good un :)

Ehric what are your other values from MFP, specifically the percentages for carbs, protein and fat? And roughly how many calories are you getting? Some people can take longer to adapt to this WoE, it's as if their bodies take more convincing that it's okay to start shedding weight.

My step mum dieted my whole childhood and had lots of special diet food - whilst forcing me to eat massive portions and by 15 i was a size 16. We had lots of low fat low cal food. I developed an eating disorder that no one knew about (bullimia). I had a bit of a difficult childhood.

I left home at 16 and met my best friend who ate nothing, ever. I lost loads of weight whilst friends with her!
We used to eat one bag of crisps a day and a contraceptive pill! and drink all of our cals when out.

I kept my weight fairly constant until i had the contraceptive implant at uni (went when i was older) and put on 2 stone in a yr. My weight stabilised at 11.7 stone ish.

I gave up the fags and shot up to 15st that was when i was 30 and over the last 5 yrs i just cant shift it. When i gave up smoking i started sw - put on 3 st whilst there!
I did cambridge for my wedding and got down to 12.7st - i was miserable! I even started smoking again (between pregnancies) to reduce my appetite and starved myself which led to bingeing and my bullima creeping back (i am fine it doesnt affect me usually).

Fell pregnant on honeymoon and put all the weight back on! Didnt loose a pound and got pregnant again and had GD. This is the only thing that works for me, i wish i had found it years ago it would have saved me so much heartache.
Even when i had GD i was advised by the dietician to eat more carbs even though i had to have ever increasing doses of insulin to keep my blood sugars under control.

I am so so so grateful to BIWI and EVERYONE on here. I lost 1st 7lbs last bootcamp and i know that whilst i will prob never be a size 10 i can get somewhere close to a healthy weight. I am fed up of being the biggest person in the room and hating clothes shopping. If i never get to eat another carb again then so be it - its worth it.

My main motivation now is that i really dont want to pass my issues on to my daughter, it so often follows and i dont want her to have the misery i have had. Being fat is hard and unhealthy and i dont want that for her or for her to have to deal with the consequences of my poor choices later in life. ( my inlaws are suffering from obesity and related health probs and they are still relatively young)

My family are really judgemental and keep asking me when i am going to loose my baby weight, i was teased for being fat. I want to get this done and just focus on being healthy. My DD is 3 and now is the time.

I am finding it hard not to have food to comfort me ( i really have a great life so not sure what i need comfort from?). My gran even suggested i put my DD 3 ! on a diet as she is a bit chubby (she isnt just top of range) FFS, so i need to dilute this unhealthy-ness with a positive role model!!!!

Sorry total for the over share but that feels better - i am trying to identify patterns and learn from the past.

Would love to hear everyone elses stories.

Oh and uber bootcamp sucks! It had better work lol x

I feel a bit to read about how dieting Mum's have had such an impact on their children. I've been dieting since DC1 was about 10 months. I actually lost 4 stone through pregnancy sickness and breast feeding, I was 8 stone. I was advised to stop breastfeeding by my health visitor as I was only 19 and she said I'd get depressed without a break from DD. I stopped and still became depressed, which lead to binge eating and massive weight gain.
After DS1 was born I lost three stone for my wedding with Slimming World, I did the green 'carb' days. After the wedding my weight crept up and up and I've been losing and regaining the same stone for 7 years now.
I try not to mention my weight, eating in front of them, and they all do regular exercise something my parents never did and I stopped at about 13.

Aaaanyway, going to watch Phoenix Nights live tonight with DH, woohoo. We're having dinner out, I think at GBK so will have a bunless burger with salad.
Just had salad with pastrami and mayo, a babybel and a few olives, probably won't get chance for much lunch. No time for shred, as need to clean in preparation for my parents coming to babysit. Getting my hair done too. I feel thinner, I think my 'apron' is smaller and my back fat is lessening. KOKO everyone

Great post MrsS, I am really shocked and saddened that so many of you have had such a rough time in the past .

Just 0.4lbs off the next stone this morning, desperate to see 10st anything before next WI. Still, it's keeping me off the dark choc and wine so can't be too bad. Come on, scales!

B: eggs and butter, overdone and not v nice
L: salad leave, HM guacamole, a bit of parma ham, olive oil
D: More sodding pork in tomatoes - third night on the run. Thought it would be a good idea to cook something that would do a few nights as DH is away but, by God, am I sick of it now!

MrsS - from what i understand it's quite common for anorexic parents to have bulimic dc. They usually make large portions for others while eating little themselves. It's a trait i can identify with as, if unchecked, i can delight in cooking elaborate meals for people then taking some kind of perverse pleasure in watching them eating (while loading up the plates for seconds) while i eat hardly anything/push my food around/say i ate already. Then when alone i could eat a whole packet of spaghetti.

My mums house is full of low fat biscuits, marg, snacks, cheese etc which she eats loads of, (despite saying they are horrible) because they are 'good for you'. I read the ingredients list to her and try to explain the 'diet' industry. I'm not sure any of it sinks in tho. She believes the packaging.

Fat 146
Carbs 49
Calories 1800

These are approximate of course as I didn't weigh and mfp is a bit weird on values.

Carbs 13%
Protein 11%
Fat 76%
That seems like a lot of fat!!!

My DH is a massive over eater as he has a pathological fear of 'starving' or 'going hungry'. His parents grew up very poor and his mum was starving and living in caves till she came to this country at 8yo, then on arrival here her father witheld food from her for himself and she grew up feeling constant hunger till she left home. Since then she over bought (has now a larder the size of a small flat) food but defers gratification by 'saving it for best' and it is all years out of date. DH grew up being told of tales of deprivation and being fed humungous portions. So much so if he even feels a twang of hunger he gets panicky. Trying to reduce his intake (and spending) therefore is really hard because he gets angry and says i'm trying to starve him or 'make him go hungry'. I don't think he can even really recognise hunger any more.

Hi - interesting to see how people link their weight / dieting to earlier on in life - it does show how that can have an influence on your whole life - especially what our mum / mother figure does (no pressure then!).

The boot camp I did 18 months ago was the first proper diet I've ever done. Weight has fluctuated quite a bit over the years but just just down the amounts after pregnancy (ate LOADS during both pregnancys). Problem is portions eventually get bigger! BC is different I think as I have to change habits over the long term to get results.

My mum was always making comments about people's weight - I've lost count of the times she's said - "and I was only 7 stone when we got married". Even now she can't watch Strictly without commenting on some women hairstyle / wrinkles / thighs lol. I have always seen myself as quite different to her personality wise so made an effort not to care about that when a teenager. My Dad is a bigger influence - he is in a wheelchair - "arms and legs that work? You'll be fine".

Oh, MrsS, I so relate. My childhood certainly wasn't as negative as yours, but I was overweight and miserable and constantly teased. I watched my mom go through a perpetual cycle of weight loss/weight gain, always feeling miserable and criticising her body. I am desperate to develop good habits so I can model healthy behaviours once I am able to have children.

I am really seeking some advice now, though. I weighed myself this morning and I still haven't lost anything. I am on week six. I lost three pounds in week two, and nothing else. I am also not feeling any smaller; clothes aren't fitting differently or anything. I could deal with the lack of scale evidence if I could feel the impact elsewhere.

From today, I am trying to cut out cheese. I don't have a lot of other dairy, apart from a splash of milk in my morning tea and the occasional bit of cream added to a recipe. I don't have yoghurt, and I haven't had chocolate, nuts, berries or alcohol. I am eating three meals a day and only having a small snack if I'm very hungry when I get home from work. I feel like I must be going wrong, but I don't know where.

I had a mini-breakdown on Sunday morning about it. I cried because I feel so frumpy and fat and I'm afraid I'm going to go on holiday at Easter and be too ashamed to wear a swimming costume or shorts. I will just look like a hideous behemoth. This holiday is really a bit of a trip of a lifetime, and I can't bear to ruin it by being disgusted with myself, but I don't know how to get over it and I'm so sad that I'm not losing.

Sorry, that's a little unclear. I didn't weigh myself when I first started, so I don't know what I weighed six weeks ago. At the proper start of BC I weighed, then stayed the same, then lost three pounds, and have lost nothing since.

Amax, I can totally understand how you are feeling, so well done for keeping at it so far.

Last bootcamp I was in a similar position - I stuck to it to the letter, lost 5lbs in the first week, then nothing for ages.

I reluctantly decided to ditch dairy in about week 6 to see if it made a difference, and, you know what, it did! I didn't think I was eating that much but it really helped and by the end of BC I'd lost a further 5lbs, so 10 in total glosses over the fact I gained most of that back over Christmas.

This time round, I have had the odd bit of cheese, like once a week, barely any cream and no yogurt at all, and things seem to be moving along quite steadily, 5lbs so far which is not bad considering I'm a long-timer so no first week whoosh for me.

I'm sure someone way more knowledgeable will be along soon, but this is my experience.

ds has an issue with weight already, it is really sad as he is stick thin and only just 10. I suspect that some of it comes from the fact that there is constant dieting going on in his dad's house but I have also heard the kids at school and fat is one of the insults that gets banded about. We always end up in a massive arguement when he starts with I need to lose weight I have fat thighs. FFS child you are so skinny your trousers look odd because the elastic at the waist takes them in. I am trying to educate him in healthy eating and such like. As his father has just decided to start doing south beach again hopefully it will be less of a carb fest for ds when he is there. He definitely likes to fill up on carbs. I am evil and have reduced carb portions and increased his vegetable intake. My only problem area is his evening snack, it can't be dropped/stopped as he is growing so much and only eats small portions that it stops him sleeping in the night if he doesn't have it. Currently he has hot weetabix yes i know ewwwww and yuck can you suggest something that might appeal to him to want to eat as an alternative? Texture might be an issue so I need something similar ish that can be thrown together in about 10mins.

My no dairy/nuts/processed meats/alcohol week is going faaairly well so far!

I've been on a work trip and had to eat some cocktail sausages and some plain almonds in desperation, but not too much of either. Compared to last week's trip where I cracked badly and ate a pizza (arghhh) that's pretty good going!

My only problem this week has been that eating two eggs for breakfast every morning has led to a bit of err.. lack of number twos (sorry!). Anyone else had this? I'm having green veg at every meal, should I try a fibre supplement?

My DF and stepmother both do one of the main diet clubs and keep their weight low. SM was a size 18 when i met her and now a 12 - which is good going thru pregnancy, menopause etc. But gosh arent they miserable, they eat a slice of toast for breakfast and then a small dinner - all low fat. Supplemented with gallons of red wine!

My dads waist is the same as when he was in his 20s - which he is very proud of, he still thinks he is fat - he has lost all of his muscle tone and doesnt look good on it. They think HFLC is a heart attack waiting to happen. My sm has heart issues yet does everything right, exercise,diet,no smoking, weight low etc and wont even contemplate that high fat MAY help - esp with sore joints. We all think my dad has depression and i am sure there maybe a link to his low fat diet and wine consumption. I do know that depression is a proper illness.

Our family always revolved around food, even now but there is so much i shouldnt be eating this naughty food nonsense. Its just so ingrained.

My father is a daily mail reader and believes everything they say (imagine) and they are always banging on about high fat diets being good yet that is the one thing he doesnt believe.

I am hoping to get healthy and show them, they dont believe me when i bang on about the health benefits of HFLC esp when i am still technically obese!!

I dont have a 10yr old but kids tolerate carbs so much better than adults. How about slow cooker porridge with cinnamon, raisins and bananas - not very low carb but lovely and filling and doesnt taste like porridge more like dessert. Raisins add sweetness without too much processed sugar. Far less processed than weetabix.

Or something with lots of fat in to keep him full - cream cheese and pepperoni on toast (nice bread) is a fav in our house. FF yog with berries or a nice smoothie with green veg (spinach is pretty tasteless) and some berries or fruit - you really cant taste the spinach my DD3 loves them.

Addressing his body issues ( no idea how to) might be the best approach? I worry for my kids as they grow up, this sort of thinking seems so much more common and i have no idea where it comes from.

Ds is allergic to raisins and milk. But he does like his smoothies so will look into that. I am trying to reduce his fruit intake as his father thinks he is best eating at least 5 pieces/day for his 5 fruit and veg. I did point out that it was supposed to be 4 veg and 1 fruit, but the idiot isn't buying it. He does like porridge and cinnamon; and can make his own in the microwave. So that is a good plan. A really good plan!

Wrt body issues we are going down the education route and we have discussed the issue of food disorders and why I am so concerned, and the possible long term issues. All in just enough detail to make a point but no more. It is working as he is eating more veg and butter. Also working on his confidence generally he has suffered very badly from bullies for years.