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Low-carb bootcamp

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Week 8 - Low Carb Bootcamp - Last Three Weeks!

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BIWI · 02/03/2014 22:07

I'm starting next week's thread a bit early as I have to be up and out of the house at sparrow's crack tomorrow.

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

And don't forget the weight tracker

It may seem like we're nearly at the end, but still the chance to lose up to another half a stone, if you can lose 2lbs a week!

Hope everyone has a good week. Mine is a bit of a minefield - out tomorrow night to celebrate both of my DCs' birthdays, and then out on Thursday with some MNetter friends, and I don't think we will be drinking sparkling water!

Good luck everyone. Flowers

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arselikekylie · 08/03/2014 10:59

Well done calamity It's my aim to get in to the 10s. Another 8 1/2 lb will do it.

Been going to the gym loads so have slowed down my weight loss as I turn to pure muscle Grin but on my way to getting an arse like kylie hence the inspiration for my bootcamp name!

Keep going everyone! We're nearly there and then we can stop obsessing about the scales and hopefully a few more pounds will fall off without us even thinking about it.

Twit · 08/03/2014 11:05

Ok, so everything is cooked in butter or has butter added afterwards.

Breakfasts;
Small amount of yoghurt with cream or egg omelette (with cheese/bacon/leek), bacon and egg.
I have the omelette the most.
BPC

Dinners;
Roast chicken/fish/sausage/pork belly/mince
Buttery spinach/swede/mushrooms/courgette/smidge of bolognese sauce (with the mince)

Tea;
Left overers from lunch.

I gave been drinking 3litres water, but am trying to drink 4 ATM, although both this and eating regularly are proving tricky, I'm just not hungry. I should add I eat until not hungry, I don't gorge/finish everything just because it's there IySWIM?

Thanks BIWI Smile and anyone else for any ideas/help.

Kefybaby · 08/03/2014 11:35

I will read the great cholesterol con, BIWI.
I know there are a lot of vested interests involved.
The reality for me is that cholesterol in the family has been high, diet alone cannot get it under control and heart disease is an issue. We are not a representative research sample, but this is the reality for our family.
The question is: would statins help me? They did not stop men in my family dying from heart disease (although they might have prolonged their lives - who knows) and women seem to be doing better (but most of them have been on statins so it's hard to know what the outcome would have been otherwise).
I hope that this WOE is working for others on this bootcamp who do not have this complex background, as it would be great to dispel some of th myths we have been bombarded with.

BIWI · 08/03/2014 11:37

How tall are you, Twit? And you are still breastfeeding, aren't you?

To be honest, your food looks fine. But are you eating enough? Is it a one or two egg (or more!) omelette that you are having? When you say leftovers for dinner, how much are you actually eating?

It looks to me like you don't have much weight to lose (although obviously this depends on how tall you are), so weight loss will be slow. You're also having broken nights which definitely won't be helping you!

And you don't need to be drinking as much as 4L of water at your weight, so don't force yourself.

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CalamityKate · 08/03/2014 11:45

I still struggle somewhat with drinking enough. I do my best but some days I just forget and don't even manage 2 litres. I expect I'd lose more if I drank more but I'm still losing so I'm not too worried.

I do find I get a bit bunged up if I don't drink enough though.

HeirToTheIronThrone · 08/03/2014 11:49

turns out meringue made with stevia is utterly utterly disgusting, bitter and weird textured and ugh. So, have resorted to normal meringue for pavlova for my guests, and I'll just have the berries and cream from the top.

On the plus side, it's a glorious day, the braised beef is slow cooking and smells amazing, and just did my 4th straight day of shred still can't do press ups though

Happy weekend all!

BIWI · 08/03/2014 11:52

That's a shame about the meringue, Heir.

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LittleMissDisorganized · 08/03/2014 12:23

Kefy I take it you have a known genetic familial hypercholesterolaemia? I think you're right to say that this IS different to most of the rest of us who don't, and I'm not surprised you're gutted that it's gone up quite a bit in a short space of time.
Volek and Phinney are quite helpful on cholesterol, and how choosing 5.5 as the magic number is ridiculous, and that statins reduce overall risk of death NOT death from heart disease at a statistically significant level. I don't know what the studies particularly on familial hypercholesterolaemia show though. Are you being referred to a cardiologist? Or a Clinical Pharmacologist? Clinical Pharmacology is a tertiary specialty, so only in big teaching hospitals. From my experience, they know a heck of a lot about drugs, about research and effectiveness. That might be worth asking for?

But I can say from the other side, as it were, that even as first year medical students, we are taught this stuff as fact, it's in all the respected text books. And getting beyond that, to "how do we know that" and "is it really true" is not something the medical establishment are particularly keen on doing. I know some clinicians who can quote every study on what they do in clinical practice and why. But the majority do what we've always done. And don't really honestly look at the problem and say, well, what we've always done doesn't seem to be working very well, does it.

LittleMissDisorganized · 08/03/2014 12:28

BIWI have you read Bad Pharma (Ben Goldacre)? It's a very good read, and as a student and newly qualified doctor I refused to take drug company bribes - they sponsor the educational meetings/ lunchtime lectures in most hospitals with lunch, pens, other gadgets. They know their own products and often you end up unable to prescribe an alternative. I was a one woman stand - I used to take my own breakfast/ lunch and look odd. They don't do it so much any more for fear of the simple bribery being exposed (and there's not much money for it these days). But reading that book vindicated every time I'd stood there looking odd. It made me not want to go to work actually - what happens to treating patients when you realise that even without taking the croissants and pens, you're being bribed every day...

LittleMissDisorganized · 08/03/2014 12:31

Message noted about meringue Heir.
I'm walking the tightrope temptation ok - the nut butter brownies look gorgeous, I am going to enjoy them tomorrow afternoon with my coffee whilst my (not overweight at all) friends and their children enjoy the rest of my baking :)
Going out for a nice dinner tonight - I am over a pound down this week, and the menu looks good, so I shall enjoy eating and not have chips and pudding envy, oh no and stand firm.

Sorry it's ended up as seperate messages - not meaning to bombard (would have been quite an essay though).

Twit · 08/03/2014 13:01

Ive been really careful about eating the right things, so it's good you agree, it is the same all the time, but I can plan and budget for it, and it's food I like.

Usually it's a two egg omelette, but if I'm running out or not too hungry it will be one. If leftovers aren't enough, I take what I can from the evening meal/ add extra.

I'm 5'4" so am aiming eventually for around 9stish. That would mean I'm a bit heavier than BC but not much, so about two stone. I was hoping for around a stone loss with bootcamp etc, which would have been doable had I not gained that mysterious weight at the end of week two (which we all assumed was water and would go away again) which has stayed despite me doing uber camp and going back to bootcamp albeit with a bit more dairy.

The reason I am trying drinking more is a poster wrote that they have to drink more in order to lose, plus drinking more water was recommended when I first posted about the gain. So am trying it for a week to see what happens.

BabyTwit only feeds at bedtime and when (if) he wakes in the night, so two over a 24 hour period, it shouldn't be affecting weight loss now though as it didn't when I was ebf.

I'm sorry to keep whining, I know it isn't the worst of problems I could be having, it's just so frustrating you know?
I will keep on keeping on, I still feel better when eating this way, I would just like to be a bit slimmer and happier ready for summer when I can't hide under my coat.

BIWI · 08/03/2014 13:05

Oh don't worry about whining - that's what we're here for! Grin

Sometimes it's just a case of keeping on keeping on, I'm afraid.

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MarshaBrady · 08/03/2014 13:12

It is true I am having a big wobble and I don't even eat this way to be 'on a diet' anymore. I do it because I enjoy the food I can eat and it stops me feeling bloated.

Like Kefy there a few things I will not change;

  • no alcohol at home (or very rare, having the very odd night out with champagne I can do)
  • no processed food
  • I'm not going to take up white bread / pasta again because it makes me feel sluggish and bloated
  • I'll continue to eat loads if vegetables - cauliflower, courgette, green salad etc. people that think it is bad often overlook just how much of the diet gets plumped up with vegetables. Over half my plate will be loaded up with vegetables.

So will get cholesterol checked and think about what to do. I was feeling good about finally not having tummy weight, but family felt I was too thin. I'm not underweight I don't think but have to ask others, in healthy range in any case. Have been canvassing friends but I suppose I need to look at that. Bugger. Was feeling good about it all until holiday.

BIWI · 08/03/2014 13:36

Marsha - how tall are you and how much do you weigh? (If you want to answer - don't have to, obviously!) But if you're happy with your weight, then that's what's more important. IMVHO/E, people telling you you're too thin are not always right - there's sometimes an element of jealousy and an (unconscious, I'm sure) attempt to sabotage/derail your efforts.

If you're happy with the food, and it suits you to eat like this, then why change?

There is also a theory that with low carbing you can't lose too much weight - unlike when you restrict calories, which can end up with you losing muscle mass, with low carbing you're burning fat.

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BIWI · 08/03/2014 13:38

Twit, sorry that was a bit of a short post - I was just about to eat.

What I would ask you is this. Are you enjoying your food? Do you feel like you're on a diet? Do you feel deprived? Can you see yourself eating like this in the longer term? If the answer to those questions is 'yes', then just relax and enjoy it.

Why not step away from the scales for a while? Take the pressure off yourself.

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Thumbwitch · 08/03/2014 13:38

Marsha and anyone else (except possibly Kefy, if you do have familial hypercholesterolaemia, it's going to be different for you) - if you're getting your cholesterol levels checked, do make sure they test for total, HDL, LDL, triglycerides and the LDL:HDL ratio (or it could be the other way around but no matter, A ratio). Total cholesterol is an utter red herring. I had mine done "for fun" mid last year, along with fasting glucose and so on - it flagged as a high total (7.6, iirc) BUT my LDL was within range, my HDL was high, my triglycerides were fine and my ratio (whichever way round it goes) was ALSO within range. MY HDL WAS HIGH - this is supposedly the "good" cholesterol (carrier), as it's the one that moves cholesterol out of the bloodstream and back to the liver for recycling. Therefore my GP was more than happy to say "I don't know what you're doing, but keep doing it!"

I have been getting progressively more and more angry about the whole statin issue, and I know I'm in an increasingly large group (But still a huge minority) - statins are not a cure-all, they may help some people (possibly people in Kefy's situation) to have better health, but I do NOT believe they are a wholesale preventive for heart disease. SO much bollocks has been written about heart disease, it's upsetting, and as LittleMiss says, so much of it has been sponsored by Big Pharma, it's untrustworthy.

A few years ago, the New England Journal of Medicine issued an edict that they would no longer take papers from people who had had any payment or vested interest in their production. Many doctors are paid by the Pharma companies to write up these papers, to put some medical name to the papers - but the docs almost never see the raw data, they see the managed data, which has had the statistics done, had any rogue elements removed, etc. - basically the data can be made to show whatever outcome the researchers want, and this is what the doctors base their write-up on.
Anyway, as a result of this ban on funded papers, NEJM ran out of sufficient papers to keep publishing at normal rate, so they had to rescind their edict and change it to "No papers from anyone who is paid more than [I think] $10k for their work".

Another interested person did some research on the statistics used in pharmaceutical sales and came to the conclusion that a staggeringly huge percentage (again, I can't remember exactly but I think it was ~93%) of statistics used were made up Shock. They were in the product leaflets that the reps give to doctors (not the pack inserts), not made up by individual pharma reps. Disturbing!

So - final note on statins (and well done for reading this far) - the health problems with the vast majority of statins are that they block natural cholesterol production at a point in its biochemical pathway prior to the pathway splitting - and the alternative product of the pathway is a substance called coenzyme Q10, which is vital for energy production in mitochondria, little energy factories inside most of the cells in our body. Specifically useful in muscle cells, especially ones working all the time, like the heart muscle. SO blocking the production of CoQ10 isn't the brightest idea ever in heart health terms. The Pharma know about it, but choose not to worry about it - rather than include CoQ10 in the pills, they say that people can supplement their own if they need to. The most serious statin-induced complaint is called rhabdomyolysis - I'm not going to bang on about that, but you can google it if you're interested.

I refused to let my Dad go on statins when his cholesterol went over 5 - the "acceptable" levels have been reduced and reduced to get more people into "needing" statins for the last several years, and it's all bollocks. Women in particular - remember that cholesterol, as well as being the glue that holds us together (every cell wall is made of cholesterol), is the basis of steroid hormones, so if we don't have enough of it, our hormones, particularly oestrogen/progesterone etc., are at risk. It used to be that women who hadn't gone through the menopause were not prescribed statins because of this - don't know if that's changed?

There's loads more where this lot came from but I will leave my soapbox in the corner now.

As an aside, I was down another 2lb this morning which was "Woohoo!" but back up again this eve, which is a bit less exciting, of course. Still working on getting enough water into me - but had a yummy lunch of smoked salmon, feta, chives and cheddar omelette. I wasn't going to add the cheddar but I really don't like egg without cheese, so ended up doing so.
Dinner was burger with salad and swede-salad. Yum!

BIWI · 08/03/2014 14:10

Thumb - of course you'll be up again this evening Grin all you're doing is weighing you + the food and drink you've consumed today!

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BIWI · 08/03/2014 14:10

But thanks for that post - I was hoping you'd come along and say something far more intelligent than I have managed!

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MarshaBrady · 08/03/2014 14:27

Just skimming as out and will be back in a bit. It looks really interesting, thanks BIWI and Thumb. Will do a proper answer when I get back- size etc

MarshaBrady · 08/03/2014 15:49

I don't have scales but I am probably 5'9" max and size 26 (or sometimes a 27 depending on make) in skinnies. Which seems ok I think.

On the why change

  • It did occur to me that I looked bad enough to receive an 'intervention email' from family about my health. And I know I can't go too low as I don't look great I suppose - face v arse! (or tummy for me). But I do appreciate not having to hide a round tummy and makes it easier to wear tshirt and jeans. So will ponder this, I really don't want to go back to feeling bloated and wishing that part of me would reduce. But it is the last thing to go, so my arms and legs look are quite thin I suppose when it does (not sure anymore really).
  • due to email I went to the GP for the prick blood test and freaked out over the high cholesterol at 7.5 and have the full blood test this week o work out the bad and good fat ratio. Hopefully it's the good kind! Thanks Thumb that's really helpful.

If it's the good kind, then I may not change much at all. I don't know how to eat any other way really, I go for the eggs, veg and protein and have done for ages. If it's the bad, well I'll reconsider. On looks I will see what my friends say! I'm sure there is a good weight for me, so I will try and decide what that is.

It's weird to be rounded on for something I've happily done for two years, so I guess it's thrown me.

Thumbwitch · 08/03/2014 15:58

Thanks BIWI!

If anyone likes biochemical pathways (and after all, who doesn't? Wink) I have put a schematic of the coQ10/cholesterol pathway on my profile. :)

Thumbwitch · 08/03/2014 16:04

Sorry, Marsha, cross posted there!
If you're just trying to get your belly down now, then are you doing any exercise to go with the WOE? Perhaps you could try the Powerhoop, that's meant to be all kinds of aceness in bringing back your waist! (I haven't tried it, but I admit I'm tempted, even though I've never actually had a waist - straight up and down when I was thin, and now it's more of a bulge than a waist)

MarshaBrady · 08/03/2014 16:07

Thumb I've finally got rid of the belly! It takes a lot for me to get a waist now (not pre-dc, but now, body has completely changed) and I finally have a tummy I'm happy with.

But I wonder if I'm at the point where it means my face is too thin argh. Dh says no, family say yes probably. So thought I'd canvas friends on the final answer.

MarshaBrady · 08/03/2014 16:08

Also I only have to look at a carb for it to disappear again, hence I am glued to this woe. I run, but powerhoop sounds good!

Twit · 08/03/2014 16:37

Thanks biwi I know you're busy.
I feel better in my stomach, I like the food, mostly don't feel deprived (although I do sometimes wish for a strip of dairy milk).
Longterm I would like to eat like this, but with more salad, perhaps a bit of fruit every mow and then. An occasional carby something as a once in a blue moon thing.
I think until I actually lose at least a stone - stone 1/2 this will feel slightly diety and therefore I will feel slightly deprived. Not enough to fall off the wagon yet but enough to make me a bit Sad and Angry about the whole lost some then gained it back situation.
I'm also [jealous] of the ones who have cheated but are still losing. Which is when I stamp my feet 'cos it's NOT FAIR! Wink
The scales are in the bedroom cupboard so I don't look at them and hop on them very now and then.

Thank you Thanks again.

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