Week 6 - Low Carb Bootcamp - We're Past the Halfway Point!

[BIWI]

Morning! In a rush, so not much time to post - off to Leeds today so have to go for my train.

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that is an excellent post LMD

at flaccid food.

I am feeling dreary, miserable, pathetic, morose, you name it. Don't know what's up with me. Was just going to skim and skulk off, but wanted to say to Crabby that boobs come back, i.e. once the weight has gone and you've stabilised at wherever you're going to be, they sort of fill out again.

crabby ..... I am sure you are reading this despite wine in hand
It's for the health benefits .... Not just the mirror benefits .... And it's a known fact that arsefat comes off last . Buy a push up bra in the right size lots of mad bra experts on Mn that changed my bangers for the better put the top back on the wine and wrestle that elephant ... Get a grip girl - you know you want too ...
Sending love too

Suzymoo I'm exactly the same state re BMI numbers. Makes me sad because it's going to take such a long time. But I've stopped the weight gain and I'm 8lbs or so lighter than I was she we started bootcamp. I used to be really slim and I'm not quite sure how this happened to me :(

I will keep on keeping on too. I feel healthier, less tired as I'm not lugging that extra weight about and even if I only loose 2lbs a month from now on, I'll be BMI 24.8 before Christmas.

Glad your day out was ok LittleMiss

For those of you worrying about flab, give it time. I went very flobby after my initial quick weight loss but have noticed things have firmed up in the intervening year despite me still having loads to go.

Arsey though this sounds, I just don't tolerate anybody getting at me about this way of eating. Firstly I never bring it up so only go into it if people ask me, I usually just say breezily "I've changed the way I eat, I'm NOT dieting but I am eating healthily where possible". If they push for details I just say I've cut back on sugars and starchy foods like bread, potatoes and pasta, which people can usually understand and it still sounds "healthy" to them. My final weapon in the arsenal is to say "I don't buy synthetic or processed foods" or "If my grandmother wouldn't know what it was, I won't buy it". All of those things sound sensible so tend to cover all eventualities other than people spoiling for a fight

The funniest one I have had was a relative who is diet-obsessed, has been for many years and should own Weight Watchers by now the amount she has paid them! She wasn't at all aggressive, genuinely interested but every answer I gave got a negative response. She just could not understand why skimmed milk, Flora and Mullerlights weren't vital. Eventually I told her that Einstein said it was madness to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results!

Seri77 nice to know I'm not alone.

Interesting chapter on BMI in Briffa's book.

I understand all you say - "how did this happen to me?" and when we add up the slow weight loss over a year it adds up to quite enough doesn't it?

For crispy belly pork, you can always put it under the grill - although you have to watch it like a hawk as it can burn very quickly.

Or - take the skin off, put it on a large plate and cover generously with kitchen towel - then microwave on high for 30 seconds at a time. It will crisp up that way (it carries on crisping after you've finished microwaving it, so be careful you don't overdo it.) The kitchen towel stops your microwave getting too messy as it will spit fat.

Well done to everyone who has done so well :) I started a week before most of you and have lost a total of 21lbs to date. This week however, I have stayed the same which is rather annoying, but I am very in the zone and enjoying the food so much! Was at a business lunch today and the only thing offer were sandwiches so I had two quarters and just hope that doesn't derail everything!

I will dig out my Briffa book again Suzymoo. Sadly my BMI issues are nothing to do with muscle. Feeling the need to start some exercises too, looking at yoga which I used to love and I'm reading Fast Exercise and contemplating my skipping rope.

Re pork belly I turn it to 220 for 10 mins then to 150 til it looks right. I still have to put all or parts of the crackling in the microwave. Be warned: it can make the most alarming exploding noises. I just use kitchen towel on the turntable as my plate cracked.

Evening all :) Just popping on to SMS, will catch up with the thread in a minute.

Back on the LC wagon today, yesterday was very bitty and involved me hoovering up the leftovers from the party (although I did end up binning a lot of it and throwing it outside before I could change my mind!). No breakfast as we went swimming first thing, then did the big shop and had brunch in Morrisons' cafe. Sausages there are probably not low carb, but were very nice :)

Brunch - sausage, bacon & fried egg. Coffee with cream
Dinner - roast chicken, roast swede, garlicky courgettes (grated into butter and fried), buttered sprouts.

Not enough water - again... :(

I spent an hour this afternoon going through my tins and packets cupboard, and have chucked everything that was out of date, and bagged up everything in date that I'm not going to eat anymore (all those low fat instant pasta things I had on SW, pulses, tinned fruit, low fat custard and rice pudding) and am going to take it, along with the cakes and biscuits that didn't get opened at the party, to the local foodbank tomorrow. Hopefully someone can make use of them, but I feel slightly guilty about offloading all my horrible carbs onto people!

Ladies, you are all wonderful, thank you for indulging my tantrum today .

Sorry I couldn't reply until now... work and RL have a terrible effect on my MNing.

Humphrey and BIWI, thanks for giving me some perspective again. Been here before and, yes, it does even out at 1lb a week, so still ahead of the game with 9lbs in 7weeks.

Humphrey and Willie, no chance of exercise, sorry . Many different and valid reasons, trust me, won't bore you with them. I do promise, though, to go for a brisk 30mins walk at lunch if conditions allow... I do feel it makes a difference and it definitely won't hurt.

Eva not hungry in the slightest! Breakfast is rich and enjoyable, lunch is humongous and varied... I love salads! Deprived? Not me!

ladygagoo what you said makes a lot of sense. I look my best at 9st 6lbs, and I don't look bad now, all about perceptions of self and hung-ups. My DH will never force-feed me Haribos, though, he's got a personal vendetta against them... they need smuggling in when bought!

Woolfey if you do your sprouts with bacon, shallots and fried in butter, try finishjng them off with a slosh of cream and some black pepper and grated nutmeg. They are delish!

Crabby I claim the self-absorbed title for today. Step away from the wine, get on with the cougetti and I'll pass my crown to you tomorrow if you really still want it .

LittleMiss re low alcohol fizz. Yes, it is more sugary, but I cannot afford to let it go to my head or be over the limit in the morning. Additionally, DH hates it and as my resident alcoholic it is reassuring to know he's unlikely to raid it .

DENMAN welcome to the mad house, what a great loss!

Right... off to curl up with my book for half an hour before catching up with my sleep. Thanks to ALL of you, you keep me sane, you do.

mrshughjarse I would be honored if you copied my menu (although calling it a menu is sometimes debatable ) also, I feel a name change may be in order for you very soon - MrsGreatlyDiminishedArse or some such?

Crabby cling by your fingernails to the bc wagon!

Ah snowie excellent post

crabby I hope you haven't given in to the siren call of the carbs?!

goodas that was me with the Boursin cauliflower cheese! No real recipe - chop a cauliflower into florets and boil or steam til tender. Slosh of double cream in a pan - about half a small pot? Melt in spoon of Boursin and spoon of normal cream cheese, add handful of grated cheddar. Put cauliflower in a dish, pour over cream/cheese mixture, top with a bit more grated cheddar and bake til brown and bubbly. Not good for non-dairy peeps but SOOO good.

I however am bad - STS again, possibly due to mass consumption of Lemsip/Strepsils. Combo of ill and fed up led to large quantity of biscuits and chocolate at work. Fuckity fuck fuck.

Job interview tomorrow so am going to try for a good sleep and hopefully all will be better :(

I'm making burgers, at 10:20. Apologies to my neighbour if she's a Mumsnetter! I only just got hungry though!!

Has anyone got a quick reply to this:

Did you watch the programme that was on recently about sugar and fat? Really put me off low carb diets. A lot of the weight you lose is muscle when you cut back on carbs.

pseudo we all did, with gnashing teeth at it's unscientific nobfuckerryness. It was utter rubbish - ie not proper comparison, didn't drink the water - ate NO carbs whatsoever and didn't begin to examine long term sugar effects. Plus some of their science was properly flawed and the tests very unfair and not randomised. Plus the 'muscle loss' as judged by the 'bodpod' was also not factual. Another poster checked the bod pod website and it apparently can't actually measure that at all. Ultimately you must be true to yourself and do what feels best. This works for me and I'm in perfect health (according to myself and my doctor) apart from needing to lose weight.

pseudo my quick reply would be: "low carb? That wasn't low carb, it was NO carb!"

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Thank you!

No, Pseudo, that isn't true. You burn fat when you cut the carbs - that's what we're doing, switching the body from burning carbs to burning fat.

I can really recommend two books, one called "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" and another called "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" by Volek and Phinney (I think) They are two Americans who don't just write about low carbing, but they also do their own research to explore low carbing and how it works.

They are quite scientific books (the first one was written for medical practitioners), but they really make the case for low carbing very well/very clear.

That Horizon programme was absolute nonsense. How can you possibly make a scientific case for anything based on studying two people?

Ok I'm here. Hugh I'm afraid I wasn't reading earlier - I was too busy being encouraged/enabled by DP. Thank you though and you are of course entirely right! xx

Ewan at may as well sellotape linguine directly to your middle! I know I'm much more bloated when I eat wheat.

LMiss yes the wine begets wine and the wine begets carbs and they both beget more carbs. No doubt about that at all. Normally I can resist the carbs pretty well and I don't have a problem sticking to the food. As I've said many times though, the wine is definitely my weakness. When I feel in that particularly strung up state that I get sometimes, I just want to stop feeling it for a bit. I know that using alcohol to do that is a slippery slope. If I'm feeling fine in myself then I don't seek that numbing, soothing sensation outside of myself. When I feel all strung out on a wire though, I really really do. I'm working on it. I'm just so desperate for a break from my head sometimes.

Athel bless you, come over here and rock in the crazy-corner with me!

Trashy as usual you have made me

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^^ This is a line drawn underneath my carby twatdom. Tomorrow I shall be better.

I'm not!! I believe in the WOE!! I love the WOE!! I've been asked on Facebook and wanted a proper reply which I can't pull together myself as I think I've got mastitis :(

Sorry I read back my earlier post and it wasn't clear that someone had asked me the question....

This will sound daft but is it possible to need to eat more to lose weight?