Flying with a baby without permission from father (ex partner) - any way this can happen?

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Does anyone know the rules/have experience regarding travelling abroad with a baby who has a different surname to you, without a letter of permission from the father?

Trying to explain a long story in the shortest way possible, my sister (with her baby) has very recently escaped from an abusive relationship - not physical as far as I'm aware but I'm not sure as I think she may not be ready to admit it if that is the case, but definitely emotionally abusive and very controlling. I'm so proud of her for having the strength to leave him.

However she has really nowhere to go, she's currently staying on the sofa at a friend's house until she can get housing etc. sorted out. I would love for her and my nephew to come and stay with me for a little while as I have a bit more room and obviously would like to give her some support but I don’t live in the UK (I’m in Germany). There is no way the ex will give permission for her to take the baby abroad (although he has made it clear he wants nothing to do with his son, not even interested in seeing him ever again).

Does anyone know if there’s ANY way my sister could travel to me with her son in this situation?

She might be. She might not.
She needs to follow the govt advice and guidelines for both countries.

Hi I have travelled twice with my daughter and no one has asked anything. Have you got a passport for the child yet? You do need the fathers passport number to complete the application.

omg why do people post wrong information, no she doesn’t need his passport details I didn’t put any details at all about my ex on the form I left it blank he doesn’t even have a passport like I said and I still got both passports fine without a problem, she doesn’t need his details!

Not exactly the same thing, but I've taken a child that wasn't mine to France... the guards etc were all over us like a rash & I was stopped several times & border guards did ring girls mum to check my story too... tbh I did feel some of it was racist as DDs friend was Indian, but I'm glad they were checking me over, rather that than an abducted DC be taken abroad

You can't provide documentation that doesn't exist, no.

However, you are asked to provide both parents' details, as well as grandparents if possible as a) it speeds up the process b) establishes the entitlement to British Citizenship that the applicant has.
The Home Office carries out what is known as a status check on passports which show the BC status of the holder.

"You need to give both parents' details when you apply. If you cannot provide the other parent's details, you need to say why (for example, you're the only parent named on the birth certificate or you adopted the child on your own)"

From the govt website.

I have, at Dover ferry terminal. We were taking the DCs cousin on hols with us - different surname from the four of us.
We had a letter signed by both parents and it was fine.

I had a prohibited steps order which allowed me to go on holiday with my children for up to forty days.

the order was lodged with local police and the passport agency with flags, so each time I applied for a passport for my children I was called to double check it was me who had made the application.

I would get a PSO and legally take my children on holiday. If you get stopped and you do not have the paperwork there’s so much trouble. Isn’t it worth having peace of mind and having that legal permission?

I’ve applied for passports for my DC and put I do not know their fathers passport details. Which I don’t.

you can still apply for passports for children without their fathers passport details.

Thank you all so much for your replies. Lots of very helpful information on the proper way to go about it.

It's such a difficult situation and I guess I was just hoping there'd be a legal way to do it but FAST!

As PP have said although he has no interest at all in his son, I don't doubt he'd cause hell if by any chance he got a whiff of what was going on, and given that he obviously knows where I live and that she has nowhere to go (something he has held over her to keep her from leaving him for some time) it's probably best not to take any risks. She's also suffering with PND and is terrified of having her DS taken away (there's absolutely no reason he would be, she's a brilliant mum, but the ex has done a good job of destroying her confidence and feeding her fears as a means of control).

I just feel so helpless. So I suppose my second question is; any tips on how to dispose of a dead body? 😉🤭😆

Answer below but not for the faint hearted. Amazing what you learn in films.

I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shit, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm

Hi OP, sorry I've not read all the replies but I just wanted to pass on advice my solicitor gave me re this precise issue; write him an email with permission letter attached (with all details of travel included, you can find examples online) and ask him to sign and return. Tell him that if he does not wish to give permission you will apply to court and that any judge is likely to order him to pay for the associated costs as he has no good reason to stop child travelling. It worked in my case (after a lot of faffing about). Give I'm a deadline by which date you need it back. If you can get a solicitor to write the letter that's probably even better.

"just feel so helpless. So I suppose my second question is; any tips on how to dispose of a dead body? 😉🤭😆"

Well, do you have any building sites near you? Ideally you need to choose somewhere where you could dump the body the just before they do the concrete pour. Of course there is always the time honoured Mumsnet way, do you need a new patio Op?

Personally I like the above suggestion, it seems so organic, everything back to the the earth, lovely.😉

I've never been asked for a letter. The only time I had a slight issue was in Manchester as me and DS have different surnames.

I just carry the birth certificate with me. I think your sister will be fine.

I just faked a permission letter from the ex. They only ever asked to see it entering Turkey. We also went to France and Spain twice. Not legal, I’m aware, but I’d given up caring at that point.