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anorak · 26/09/2004 10:51

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SoupDragon · 15/10/2004 22:05

I'd go up and remove everything now.

sobernow · 15/10/2004 22:09

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SoupDragon · 15/10/2004 22:10

I've tried reasoning with them (well, mainly DS) but that doesn't work. Even the carried out threat of removing the PS1 game I'd leant him didn't work.

essbee · 15/10/2004 22:13

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essbee · 15/10/2004 22:39

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SoupDragon · 15/10/2004 22:47

If you're useless, I am too!

21stcenturygirl · 15/10/2004 22:57

Glad they've calmed down essbee - you're not useless just a normal loving Mum. My dd2 had a truely awful tantrum yesterday and afterwards was crying because she was sorry she was so naughty. My favourite quote is "If Music Be the Food of love, play on", seems to be very apt in your case.

essbee · 15/10/2004 23:01

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21stcenturygirl · 15/10/2004 23:04

Oh no - Tell them Father Christmas is watching and doesn't like children who don't sleep.

essbee · 15/10/2004 23:21

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essbee · 15/10/2004 23:39

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Chocol8 · 15/10/2004 23:45

Poor Essbee, a big hug from me hon. I know what the not sleeping, almighty tantrum thing is like, my ds does it often. I'm so sorry you have to go through this.

The note about his dad was really surprising and just to say that I did the worry spider thing with my ds on Sunday and it worked a treat!

(MrsF, you know I sounded so professional when I told the school that I had done one...!)

Thinking of you Essbee. xxx

unicorn · 15/10/2004 23:46

Hope things are ok esbee... get your head down- and try and relax!!!

essbee · 16/10/2004 00:48

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tigermoth · 16/10/2004 07:53

Hope you're fast asleep now essbee - and your ds and dd too.

I spent some of yesterday in the company of a boy, a classmate of my ds1, and saw a level of challenging behaviour I have rarely seen with my two (and that's saying something, believe me). He was a lovely boy, very charming, but will say anything to anyone and not listen to instructions (we were visiting a school) I just could not control him, even though I was the adult in charge.

I think you must not feel you are at fault for the way your son behaves. Don't for a minute think another mother here could step in and do more than you are doing. You must try to mentally detach yourself - great strategy to calmly remove stuff from your ds's' room even if he is having a strop. Also a good idea to put on calming music as you did - shows you rose above things.

I don't know if this would work for you, but if my children won't fall asleep, after it gets to a certain stage of hyperness and resistance, I just let them come downstairs and watch tv with me. I then tell them they can be downstairs for 10 minutes then back to bed. Once they are calm (if can take a lot longer than 10 minutes) I say it's bedtime. For me this works. Once the struggle has gone out of them, tireness sets in. They can't muster up the energy to fight bedtime the second time round.

Sorry you've had a dodgy few days. Hope the bad effects of the ADs wear off soon.

WideWebWitch · 16/10/2004 09:15

Sweetie, hope you managed to sleep and things look a bit better this morning. You did deal with it and well by the sound of it, well done.

Chocol8 · 16/10/2004 10:34

Essbee, I don't know if this will be of any help, but generally speaking my ds's tantrums/meltdowns occur so quickly that I can't see them coming by which time he is too far gone. When he was very much younger he used to foam at the mouth because he couldn't have his own way and I used to say that he goes "deaf dumb and blind". There is absolutely no communicating with him at all. He is still like this now and so I find it easier not to say anything at all or if I feel the need, try and "elevate" (sounds stupid, but it works) myself out of the situation. If I am having to restrain him, I imagine that I am floating above situation, therefore detatching myself from what is happening. I feel it keeps my sanity slightly...and definitely no eye contact at all or it makes him worse. Though, more recently I do not restrain him - as it ends up worse for both of us with injuries - he is kicking, screaming, punching, scratching, spitting, and generally just attacking me - running full pelt at me and not letting me get up if I fall to the floor.

When my ds has spoken to various consultants, paeds, psychologists etc he has said that it is better for him if I leave him to it and he is on his own. This is difficult as he could hurt himself if he is trashing his room but he has to calm down by himself. This however sounds all well and good but after 5.5 years of this behaviour it has taken me that long to work this out. I have tried the restraining him and talking and cajolling him, but to no avail, it is really best to let him get on with it until usually he ends up in tears and I take my que to go upstairs and we have a hug and a kiss, a little drink of water and a gentle talk and tidy the room together.

I then have to apologise to my neighbours on one side because it always surprises me to find they haven't called the police! He is SO loud and can deafen me if I am in the room with him.

I don't know if this helps but if possible and you think he will be safe, try and leave him to scream it out - my ds is always tired afterwards (as am I!).

I am in the process of decorating his room at the moment and have bought a midi sleeper with space underneath. What I want to do is to create a little den underneath with his tv and video and a bean bag so that he can feel "safe" and enclosed in his little space which I am hoping will help to calm him down quickly.

If you like you can contact me on C.A.T. (((hugs))) xxxxxx

jampot · 16/10/2004 10:43

Hi essbee - hope you're feeling better today and had a good night's sleep

Chocol8 · 16/10/2004 10:48

PS - I also had physical and mental abuse from ds's "dad" and decided that I could do without 2 babies in the house so I got shot of the big one. 6 years later and I am still being abused - mainly by text, but I (generally) ignore the w**r and laugh at him.

It is sometimes hard on your own and sometimes lonely, (especially during a meltdown) but as you know there are good times to follow the bad times and you have to remember that you have all of our support and good wishes whenever you need them (and sometimes even when you don't). I really don't know what I would do without MN, for me it's a life line. xxx

essbee · 16/10/2004 16:46

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essbee · 16/10/2004 17:27

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Chocol8 · 16/10/2004 18:11

Oh blimey! Is everything ok now?

Just to make you laugh, my ds went to bed last night (later than usual as a Friday) and fell asleep eventually, but woke up at about 11pm. He was shouting at the gate on the landing and saying he'd done a pooh.

I went upstairs and as he turned to go into his room I noticed the back of his trousers COVERED in pooh. I stripped him off and babywiped him but there was LOADS all up his legs and bum (derr obviously), then went to the bathroom and it was all over the place, like it had been thrown around! The loo was covered outside and it was on the floor. Cleaned that up (thank god for babywipes!) and then went to his bedroom to get him some clean jamas (top only) and noticed 2 "piles" of pooh in the middle of his bed - cue stripping bed, to the music of ds going "I'm really sorry Mummy...I'm really sorry Mummy...". Bless him, it wasn't his fault and wasn't funny at the time, but is now. The clothes hanging over the gate (I am a slob) got covered too as he'd called down to me. Lots of laundry today although I did chuck his jama bottoms as I refused to scrape them off!

Anyway, hope you're not eating whilst reading, but thought i'd share that with you.

What I was going to say was that when you say he wouldn't display this sort of aggression toward anyone else but you and his sister, my ds is the same, so it's just me that gets it.
When the psychologist asked him if he would try and hurt daddy, the answer was "No", when asked why not, he said "because daddy is stronger and older" (by 2 years, and anyway, he's a wimpy looking mongrel). That quite surprised me and made me think that it was done with forethought, but actually he knows by now that I will forgive him whatever he does to me and still love him, but daddy may not be so forgiving.

It is a little easier to get ds to bed as it is getting darker earlier (nearly dark now!) but it's a real problem in Summer! xx

essbee · 16/10/2004 18:24

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