ULEZ

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Is it right that sadiq khan's gas guzzling entourage is exempt from paying ULEZ charges.

Fair enough Jassy, I'm not sure that this is the norm, after all, it wouldn't make sense would it, with similar schemes being pushed across the country. It's why I didn't buy a diesel when I last replaced my car 5 years ago, I knew that there was going to be trouble brewing. But I suppose if there was something particularly nice about your car, you may get more than the scrappage cost, but not as much necessarily as it would otherwise be worth.
I mean, the scrappage scheme is another problem isn't it whilst I think about it. Did anyone ever stop to think or care about just how environmentally unfriendly it is to scrap perfectly functional and legal UK cars way before the end of their useful life. And replace them with electric cars, which utterly destroy the earth in the manufacturing process.

It's so obvious that this is not about the environment, despite what people tell themselves.

Thank you! I come from a poor background and i have never been able to afford a car and have never lived in a household with a car.

Probably could afford one if I left my job, my friends, my partner and my local community and moved to zone 6 for the fresh air, as some people have suggested.

Definitely not anything particularly nice or noteworthy about our car! I was surprised what we got for it as it wasn't in great shape inside or out, and we were well into the period of the ULEZ expansion being announced. Does anyone have any data on the sale prices of non-compliant cars nationally? If not we're only talking from guy feeling (you) or individual personal anecdote (me). Neither makes valid data; the only reason I mentioned mine is that it was at odds with the stated 'it's obvious that...' narrative.

I don't have a barrow to push here; I was negatively affected by ULEZ expansion but can also see benefits as well as negatives.

Like many poorer people who live in / on the outskirts of greater London, they do need their car to get around due to health, disability, or the type of work they do. Often in an older car, because they are also poorer. What zone are you in? And how do you get around?

Does anyone have any data on the sale prices of non-compliant cars nationally?

I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find. I'll maybe take a look later.

I can concur with @RafaistheKingofClay . I work for TfL and during the pandemic we were on our uppers. The DfT had to bail us out to the tune of £bns. But there were conditions: one if them risks my pension to be devalued and the other was to expand ULEZ London-wide. The Mayor and City Hall are marketing ULEZ as an environmental measure when it's nothing of the sort. ULEZ was originally a Boris Johnson/Tory idea. To those saying the Government can't reign Khan in, they already did.

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I'm in zone 1 now but was formerly on the zone 3/4 border. I have always walked or got the bus (not many tubes in south London). I know people chose to spend their money on different things but to me a car in London is a luxury and always has been.

You don't need a car in zone 1, unless you have a disability and can't walk far / cycle. Zone one isn't a cheap place to live. I would imagine most people would feel poorer living there. Most of the population couldn't actually afford to live there at all.

It's also a different story for those in greater London who don't have such a privileged transport network /are ill / vulnerable / disabled / rely on a car to get around / get to work / or get support to them. What happens to them? A car is a necessity not a luxury. It's also a huge problem for key workers, and the impact of that will soon be seen.

The same applies to tradesmen etc. After all they won't be carrying tools around on their back and cycling will they.

i really do think so many people only consider themselves when they imagine this unrealistic Utopia. One day it might be you that is unable to walk / cycle, be fit enough to get around. It's always a good idea to at least try and put yourself in other people's shoes. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.

And lets face it, this move isn't about the environment at all. It's about a cash grab. Khan knows it. Most people know it.

I said "to me" it's a luxury! Yes, I don't have much money once I've paid the rent and mortgage in my shared ownership one bed flat but I'm quite frugal and don't have things a lot of people seem to have but it suits me. I'm not alone: most of my friends are in the same situation.

Im not saying other peoples choices are bollocks I'm just saying that living and working (and walking) in central London, it's nice not to breathe in exhaust fumes all the time.

Also, as I said, I used to live on the border of zones 3 and 4 (for 20 years) which is hardly central London,and didn't have the money for a car the. Either.

As someone who works in the industry, what a load of garbage.

Not significantly if you sell it to someone in the countryside who doesn’t care about ULEZ.
My last purchase isn’t ULEZ compliant and value of the particular model haven't exactly plummeted.

True, although there is going to be a limit to how many willing countryside buyers are out there, particular if the market becomes flooded with them. After all, London isn't the only city in the UK that is bringing in charging zones.

I see ULEZ as a money making machine, its not about environment

My car is ULEZ compliant as I said, I have to travel to the zone for caring responsiblities. I did one of those online valuations recently out of interest, it says its worth 1600 quid!!

I expect it to last another 5 years at least, preferably 10

ULEZ does seem completely pointless and unnecessary. 90% of cars are already compliant. The 10% that aren’t will naturally reduce in number over time anyway, as people will go through the normal process of gradually upgrading their cars. More and more electric cars are making their way into our roads.

ULEZ is trying to solve a problem that is already being solved by other means.

If the market is flooded by non compliant cars prices go down if you have to drive your car a few hundred miles to try to sell it then somehow get home that reduces what you get....assuming they actually want your car when they can take their pick. Are you actually trying to sell your car around London?

3 and 4 are not that bad for transport try going around 5 and 6 as a regular commute or going out of the M25 or commuting in to outer London people on the borders are not all coming to central London. If your in Hertfordshire you could be going to Mount Vernon for your daily rads or to get chemo ... exhausting enough by car impossible by public transport when your struggling to sit up

As someone working in the trade you would have better access to the pick of cars and prices before the dealer ads his extra profit everyone we looked at was either in an accident but not insurance claimed, bad mechanics or engine or grossly overpriced

ULEZ doesn't go far enough. Bring on the cleaner air - it's already worked in inner London. I'll be voting for SK again.

Is there evidence to show it is working?
Yes air quality is improving in London. Has that been proven to be a result of ULEZ though? Or is it caused by other factors? Such as the the normal process of people gradually upgrading their cars, and newer cars being cleaner - particularly electric ones. Genuinely interested to know.

Yes it's been proven

That's why it's being extended and replicated

Can you direct me to the evidence please? Interested to read.

I found it through google quickly about 2 weeks ago

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/19/khan-tried-silence-scientists-questioned-ulez-claims/