Jan/Feb locals chat

[SJ99]

How exciting to be starting thread

Yay, thanks Sfx, am already looking forward to banana bread, mmmm!

In Sweden they had Noise Police (everything is so formally governed over there) but what a great idea, they used to go and put a stop the noise polluters, no messing.

well perhaps i am being overly sensitive too because i think it's an unfair implication that those who opt for MMR are taking risks that those who don't aren't.

that's my piece said and i am now off to plot world peace and do some lentil weaving.

Ermm... I wasn't aware I was arguing. Sorry if my words were harsh.

When I said I wasn't prepared to take chances I meant because they have a relative with autism, I did not intend to imply parents who choose the MMR are therefore putting their kids at risk.

What really gets my goat on this topic is the way the NHS thinks they can make the choice for me by refusing to lisence and offer single jabs, hence putting the herd theory before the individual. You can have all of them all at once, or nothing at all. Then they tell you you are bad for choosing nothing. So I have to go single as and when I can afford it.

Anyway... didn't meant to argue with anyone. (except maybe the bozos who run the NHS because they do piss me off)

Okay, now that I've read it two more times I feel compelled to defend myself. I did not imply that parents in general who opt for MMR are taking a risk and those who don't are not.

I am not taking a risk that MMR could agravate and possibly already existing prediposition to autism based on the fact that their second cousin is autistic.

absolutely agree abut MMR and parental right - every parent - aftter countless hours of angst and worry - does what they believe - or hope to God - is the best thing for their child.

and, also, agree paddle, should respect other parents' decisions, but not sure it's possible to be wholly"rational" about it. of course, we try to make decisions rationally, but our children's wellbeing inevitably triggers an emotive reaction..

rationally, i know it is extremely unlikely any of my dcs would have suffered from having the combined MMR..but i've chosen the sep vac route, partly as an educated choice, but partly as a purely emotional choice.

with MMR - and any other parenting choice - i always think it's a shame - and I'm not talking about this thread - when parents turn against each other instead of supporting each other. trouble is sometimes people take it as a tacit criticism of their choice that someone else has chosen a different route.
there aren't any right choices, just right for you. (or more likely right enough)

what i do take issue with is how much sep vacs cost - becuase many parents are robbed of that choice because they can't afford them. when i first started taking ds1 they were £25-35 a jab. now they're £120-140, aren't they?

right, are you all still awake? discourse over

And their first cousin has been flagged up as possibly having aspergers. (although I'm scceptical that this diagnosis has much credibility)

weave a few lentils for me, paddle

Hi all. (COV avoids the mmr topic like the plague). Just received delivery of my lovely new car. Took ds to nursery in it then went to waitrose. Had to phone dh from waitrose carpark as I sat there for 15mins trying to start the bl**dy thing . I looked around to see if anybody had the same make fo cr to ask them if I was doing somerthing wrong (instruction manual happily sitting on the table in the hall). Anyway dh talked me through what to do and I got home. Unfortunately I first tried his office phone (before tracking him down on his mobile) and left a message, which he has now shared with everyone in the office . Glorious day here, so ds and I went for a long bike ride this morning.

Tis dh's birthday today, so busy preparing a nice meal (pan fried scallops on a bed of wild rocket with lardons and a balsamic dressing, followed by confit of duck with sauteed potatoes, parsnip puree and braised red caabbage, then finishing with pannacotta with raspberry coulis, all washed down with a nice bottle of red). Best get back to it. Bye.

oh oh, what did you get?

Toyota verso

hi all,

Wrt MMR, its like a lot of parenting issues, highly emotional no matter which choice you make, like whether to work or stay at home etc. ANyway, that's all I'm going to say on the subject (for now!)

How is everyone? Ds has woken up with a bit of a cold & cough today, am hoping it isn't going to get worse as dh is away over the weekend.

oooo... nice. When do we get to see it in person.

Want a lift back in it on Friday?

Oh, yes please! I was going to take the train. Would much prefer lift home in swish new car.

Thanks!

No problem. Have you done the menu yet?

Hello all

Hope everyone well.
DS was sick last night but I think as a reaction to coughing not a bug as he seems full of beans today (well not literally as his appetite is still a bit scant)

Not going to get into MMR chat as it's been said already - down to the each parent's choice

Sfx - bedding looks good, didn't realise they did bed sets too

Going for a walk to library now to enjoy some more of this sunshine

Think we'll go to the train station to satisfy ds's current obsession with trains!

That's always a winning activity with DS! Yesterday we were lucky as 4 trains came along, some days we are watching for ages and nothing. But at least there are planes in the sky for entertainment too whilst waiting for trains

hi all back from disastrous Tumble Tots session, don't think we will be going back not that I am sorry bit too much happy clappy for me.

we went to the playground chatted to the local constabulary much to toddlers excitement.

COV love the menu absolutely delicious. thought all cars were the same to start (sfx shows hippy no car existence)

SJ & Ros yes we are indeed in the train spotters club I spend ages by the railway bridge which also happens to be prime puddle location

hope you are all well

Oooh I have missed a bit of an argy bargy!!!

My view on MMR is coloured by my family history:

My Mum was offered Thalidamide when PG with my older sister and told by the NHS it was perfectly safe.

My younger sister, who suffered from asthma and excsma [sp?] wasn't given any jabs as in 1970's, babies with poor immune systems were deemed at risk of being damaged by jabs.

This wisdom dissappeared when the Government bought in some of the more recent mega vaccination regimes (and anyone who thinks these decisions are not polluted by the influence of money from big vaccine manufacturers is naive).

The government have had to pay compensation to a small number of families whose children have been damaged by MMR - fact. But they try to keep it quiet as they don't want people NOT to vaccinate - for very good sound reasons (herd immunity etc).

The children who are at risk are children who have poor immune systems, whose systems cannot cope with the overload of having multiple jabs (like MMR). And of course boys are much more vulnerable.

Everyone has to make their choice, but realistically its probably only children with poor immune systems who are at risk of being damaged by MMR - or children who have had bad reactions to vaccinations.

I choose the single job on the basis that my Mum was told to take Thalidamide and also because I know three families who beleive their children were permenantly damaged by MMR. None of the families are litigious and none are taking any action, nor are they recorded anywhere as the NHS doesn't accept a link between MMR and autism/regressive behaviour/fits/epilepsy.

..........hey, wake up everyone!!!!

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Oh BTW, thanks for the advice re wedding presents - I am even more confused now!!!

Slng - I might take your advice and get them some sweets. I've only known the bride for 2 weeks and I would feel slightly uncomfortable giving money, particularly as our relationship is a financial one . I have no idea what sweets to buy though?

Yeah maybe I will get them something funky for their room and some sweets, wrapped in red paper?

I have become very fond of lodger in the 2 weeks I've known her.

I found out from the school today that DD hid her packed lunch in a bid to get school lunches on Tuesday!!! So I have ordered her school lunches from next week.

Ele - no we don't have that catering company. I can't remember the name of ours - but its deffo not that one. What do you think of them (secret ingredients aside)?

absolutely no argy bargy BUT I am disappointed no one commented on my post on swan sex I would like to know if it looks a lot like homicide

should I call BBC Springwatch and ask Bill Oddie?

The scariest thing about MMR IMHO is the witchhunt against Direct Health 2000, who have had their offices raided several times and all the patient records taken (including ours ) by Dept of Health - presumably aimed at intimuidating them, and of course the dirty tricks campaign agains Andrew Wakefield whose family have sadly had to move to America.

When I read about the swans humping my first reaction was !!!!

we clearly need to get on with the revolution

the British government is strangely secretive for all its democratic credentials, much more so than most European governments

Missed the swan sex, what is that all about?