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Should I relocate to Monaco with 16 year old twin boys

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Enna0105 · 26/02/2025 09:11

My partner and I have been together for eight years. He recently moved to Monaco for tax purposes. We have a five-year-old daughter, and I also have 15-year-old twin sons from a previous relationship. We're currently managing a long-distance relationship with regular visits to Monaco. My primary reason for staying in the UK is to allow my twins to complete their GCSEs next year. However, I'm considering relocating the entire family to Monaco afterwards. My twins are resistant to the idea, but I'm increasingly concerned about safety and the overall quality of life in the UK. I believe Monaco, with its better climate and international schools, would offer them a more secure and enriching environment for their college years. Would it be selfish of me to prioritize this move despite my sons' reluctance?"

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Pelot · 02/03/2025 13:23

@CautiousLurker01 We've had two sets of friends who have left British kids in boarding school for A levels and have been fine. They just switch their 'home' to a friend or relative.

kitchenhelprequired · 02/03/2025 15:42

@Pelot Home status is determined by each uni and there are some which are more lenient than others. SF changed their questions either for 2024 or 2023 entry with one of the very first questions being have you or your parents lived outside the UK in the last 3 years. That wasn't there for first applications in 2021 or 2022. @CautiousLurker01 unless officially separated having one parent abroad would still mean SF is a ? You need to wait until after 1st Sept of the year your last DC starts uni to go abroad and not face the question about residency. It didn't come up on annual renewals this year, only original applications but it's possible in subsequent years it might be a question asked each year when SF is renewed.

Ceramiq · 04/03/2025 10:45

Enna0105 · 26/02/2025 09:11

My partner and I have been together for eight years. He recently moved to Monaco for tax purposes. We have a five-year-old daughter, and I also have 15-year-old twin sons from a previous relationship. We're currently managing a long-distance relationship with regular visits to Monaco. My primary reason for staying in the UK is to allow my twins to complete their GCSEs next year. However, I'm considering relocating the entire family to Monaco afterwards. My twins are resistant to the idea, but I'm increasingly concerned about safety and the overall quality of life in the UK. I believe Monaco, with its better climate and international schools, would offer them a more secure and enriching environment for their college years. Would it be selfish of me to prioritize this move despite my sons' reluctance?"

Your children will be liable for International fees at university in the UK if you do this.

SkaneTos · 04/03/2025 21:10

Hello, @Cormoran !

Just like @SugarPlumpFairyCakes , I too am curious about what life is like in Monaco!

Cormoran · 05/03/2025 22:29

Monaco in the 80's was quite fun as a teenager.
The vast majority of those living there were not and still today are not Monegasque. It was truly cosmopolitan, even at school. Way more than today. There were no international schools back then, you had to go to France for a private school if you couldn't speak French.
I don't think people get how tiny Monaco is. Very tiny. Super tiny. Central Park in NY is bigger than Monaco. It feels bigger because it goes up and up. Many roads are underground, you have elevators left and right, but for sure you develop good legs when you live there. Because it is so tiny, you would always know someone working somewhere that would let you sneak into a beach club. Or the Yacht club. Or the tennis club. We would go clubbing in San Remo, no age checks, no ID. The first time I went dancing in a discotheque I was 13. We have beaches , but in Summer, we would go to Cap Ferrat or Nice. I can't remember why we picked the French beaches more vs the Italian beaches.
The only limitation was school work. School was based on the French system which is no joke. Very strict, very intense. And it didn't matter who your dad was or how many zeros were in his bank account. If you failed, you had to repeat the year. That's when kids would be pulled and sent to private schools in France.

Monaco is super safe @Enna0105 @Yousay55 . You don't have to worry about your stuff at the beach or you handbag in a crowded bar, like you have to if you are in France or Italy. Crime is very low and lots of police, even back then.

I live in Australia now and can't believe the amount of posts of people wanting to move so far for the weather or outdoor life. And I am, like, seriously , there is plenty of sunshine (more) and outdoor activities (more) in the Côte d'Azur, Italy or even Spain.

Monaco as dull as dishwasher??? Maybe on a rainy day in March. This is definitely a place where life is very different if you are a local or a tourist.

Because, let's be honest: Monaco is not a holiday destination. Think more of it like the City of London with sea access (and steep hills). It is not your small and charming Mediterranean village featured in a blue zones tv show. It is a buzzing working city/country, with high flat complex and the traffic that comes with it, although the old town is gorgeous.

For pretty girls, it was quite easy to find Summer jobs, especially if you could speak several languages. You work in a club or on a boat and it doesn't feel like a job.
If you were good-ish at any sport, chances were you would make it into the junior national team and compete internationally. We would lose every competition but is was still fun to go!

It is pretty, tiny, safe, by the sea, next to the slopes in Winter, buzzing and cosmopolitan. Your kids will have fun, get a great education and develop friendships that might come very useful decades later. Chances are their classmates will have holiday homes in gorgeous places, a yacht in the harbour and a chalet in Switzerland.

Summer starts in May and goes until late September. Living by the sea is fantastic and the only con I see in moving to Monaco is that once you experience life by the sea, it is very hard to be landlocked. That's was the agreement with DH, I will follow you in your postings but there must be sea and we must live near/in front of it. We did Barcelona and now are in Sydney. One last word, sea temperature is far more pleasant in Monaco than Sydney!!!

LadyNairne · 06/03/2025 11:44

@Cormoran what a wonderful account you wrote! I really enjoyed reading it.

I also love Monaco - and the neighbouring south of France, northern Italy, Umbria, and the Alps regions in general - and imagine children there have quite a special upbringing. I know people - British and other nationalities - who have lived there with young families in recent years and really enjoyed the life.

Interested to hear what the OP decides to do!

SkaneTos · 06/03/2025 17:52

Thank you, @Cormoran , that's really interesting!

Did you ever see any of the members of the princely family?

TheSassyTraybake · 08/03/2025 08:44

Some of the posts on here - who wouldn’t pay less tax if they could? We’ve all been so brainwashed by so many governments into believing we “owe” them every penny and should be delighted when they take more of the money we work hard for to squander on a staggeringly badly run, inefficient system.

OP maybe wait until your sons are at university. Marriage would be preferable in terms of security. But if you think the lifestyle, the weather etc would make a better life for you and your DD go for it. What an opportunity.

whathaveiforgotten · 08/03/2025 15:42

TheSassyTraybake · 08/03/2025 08:44

Some of the posts on here - who wouldn’t pay less tax if they could? We’ve all been so brainwashed by so many governments into believing we “owe” them every penny and should be delighted when they take more of the money we work hard for to squander on a staggeringly badly run, inefficient system.

OP maybe wait until your sons are at university. Marriage would be preferable in terms of security. But if you think the lifestyle, the weather etc would make a better life for you and your DD go for it. What an opportunity.

I think people have taken issue with the fact he's moved away from his child in order to pay less tax...

TheSassyTraybake · 09/03/2025 00:03

whathaveiforgotten · 08/03/2025 15:42

I think people have taken issue with the fact he's moved away from his child in order to pay less tax...

The child is going with him, thats the point of the thread, and imagine what all that extra money could do for her in the future! I would advise any young person to leave the UK right now. The welfare state was a wonderful idea but our shifting demographics mean it’s now a model of maximum taxation for minimum services. And i think that will only get worse over time.

Tax cheats who live in the UK and use UK services - not OK. But if you move abroad and are not using UK services? Best of luck to you!

PubicZirconia · 09/03/2025 00:12

I was moved to Nice at 16,smack bang in the middle of my GCSEs.

I was incredibly unhappy.It's a very,very different world in that region.I spent a lot of time in Monaco too and it was just too much of a culture shock (dull,too). A lot of the kids in my school were already experienced international type students and knew a lot more of the world and were used to moving frequently - so forming friendships was really tricky.

I really don't recommend it.

crumblingschools · 09/03/2025 01:36

@TheSassyTraybake I don’t think the DD has moved with the partner

whathaveiforgotten · 09/03/2025 11:42

@TheSassyTraybake

The child is going with him, thats the point of the thread

No she isn't and no it's not... OP is clear in her first post that he has moved and she and her daughter haven't. It's a long distance relationship, he's moved away from his child 'for tax purposes', that's literally what OP says.

"My partner and I have been together for eight years. He recently moved to Monaco for tax purposes. We have a five-year-old daughter, and I also have 15-year-old twin sons from a previous relationship. We're currently managing a long-distance relationship with regular visits to Monaco."

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2025 15:28

TheSassyTraybake · 09/03/2025 00:03

The child is going with him, thats the point of the thread, and imagine what all that extra money could do for her in the future! I would advise any young person to leave the UK right now. The welfare state was a wonderful idea but our shifting demographics mean it’s now a model of maximum taxation for minimum services. And i think that will only get worse over time.

Tax cheats who live in the UK and use UK services - not OK. But if you move abroad and are not using UK services? Best of luck to you!

His daughter isn't going with him. He's already gone!

soupyspoon · 09/03/2025 15:42

People move all over the world for financial reasons, Im not sure I understand a lot of the posts here, certainly they contradict a lot of other advice given on this forum which is that for the sake of being comfortable you might have to move, and people move to different countries for work or income reasons all the time

I think OP should make sure she is financially sound herself, but I dont think that the children's views are the be all and end all of decision making either

MayaPinion · 03/04/2025 17:21

Why would you uproot your whole family to be with a man who literally moved away from you just so he could avoid tax?

MayaPinion · 03/04/2025 17:23

Are you sure he hasn’t just left you and he’s waiting for the penny to drop?

TheaBrandt1 · 04/04/2025 00:53

That’s how I read it too that’s he’s left but op hadn’t realised. It’s surely not normal for one half of a couple with children to just move and go and live in another country?!

Maddy70 · 14/05/2025 19:57

I would move under usual circumstances as long as it doesn't interfere with their education and you facilitate regular flights home to see his dad however. I don't think you are seeing the bigger picture. He's gone and taken his two children with him ...

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