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Stage IV cancer? Incurable? Roll up, roll up, this thread is for you!

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mowly77 · 05/08/2023 17:46

I’m expecting tumbleweed. But I’ve jumped over from the lovely supportive threads I’ve been on for general cancer - latest one here-

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/general_health/4863468-cancer-support-thread-89-the-best-thread-that-no-one-wants-to-be-on?reply=128175880

to see if there’s any interest in a separate thread. I often feel like such a derailing buzzkill on the general cancer threads as there are so many shapes, sizes, flavours of cancer & so many different issues when you’re being treated to be cured as opposed to being treated palliatively.

And those of us unlucky enough to be incurable, and let’s face it, dead, sooner rather than later from this insidious disease, have our own concerns and darknesses. And admin. And hopefully some good days. Please, please let there be more good days.

Help, advice, dark humour and support are the aims. There are wonderful people on the cancer support threads & I often feel guilty for trauma-dumpling my tales of woe on it, to those dealing with their own, but different, bullshit.

Anyway —- come on in, the door is open. All I have to offer today are tales of woe about NHS incompetence & updates on the state of my bowels.

Here’s ‘my story’ - my bullshit story I wish wasn’t true but here we are. Please share yours if you would like.

estrogen+ BC diagnosed age 36, v aggressive, 3 tumours, 2 very large. Right mastectomy. No lymph node involvement. 5 miserable months of old school FEC poison. Then diagnosed BRCA2+. Left risk reducing mastectomy. Then crickets from the NHS. No one told me NED but indeed I had none. So for 11 years I love my life.

I give birth in 2018 to my DD, conceived via IVF, as my reproductive capabilities did not survive the FEC. Had my ovaries removed shortly after as per advice for BRCA2 patients . THEY DIDN’T BOTHER TO FURNISH ME WITH ANY ADVICE ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH SUDDEN SURGICAL MENOPAUSE WITH NO HRT THOUGH. And a baby in the mix! I’m still v cross about that.

Right when I wasn’t expecting it, when I thought I had ‘beaten’ the ten year survival rates (hahhhha, that fucker came back. After much faffing from utterly shitballs hospital trust finally diagnosed metastatic, stage 4, incurable, spread in my lungs, pleura and sternum. This was March 2022 when my daughter was 3.5

I’ve since had 15 rounds of Paclitaxel (first 3 months some shrinkage; last 3 months total failure, back where started) & then managed to get moved to Royal Marsden in London with great effort as my oncologist was so bad, so rude & she made my life a misery. I started on the ‘gentler’ regime of Palbociclib & Letrozole and whilst I was battling horrible side effects from those I had a 6 month run of clear scans and I was finally getting to grips with the treatment. Then the other shoe dropped and the bastard cancer is growing again. I’m still on Palbo & Letrozole while they test my blood for an enzyme that will determine if I can move on to Capecitabine. Which I’m terrified of! Better the devil you know.

In the meantime I’m in America with my family (who all live here) trying and failing to communicate with the NHS over email to see if I can fly home earlier than scheduled so they can see me quicker and get me on Cape asap because I’m really not doing well.

I can have a ‘good’ day if I’m dosed up to the eyeballs on Oramorph but it’s all quite exhausting & I’ve had to temporarily come off it to relieve my insane constipation and stomach issues. So now I’ve been on bed for two days. BUT it’s not all bad. I’ve been to see the Barbie since I’ve been here & been to the local pool with DD a few times & enjoyed sitting on the porch listening to the cicadas. It’s boiling hot too so am getting a break from the rain.

I’d love to hear your stories, tales of woes, worries, advice. Anything at all you want to say in this safe supportive space. There’s just so much in the mix for this stage of bastard cancer.

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LuciaPillson · 24/10/2023 14:30

Scan last night, a lovely person drove me there and back and I didn't have to undress, was all cosy in jogging bottoms, Henley shirt and so on so that's a win! :D Am silly levels of tired for all the usual silly reasons, so I'm gently phasing in and out of consciousness and trying to separate thoughts from dreams.

Rewatched the Conjuring 2 as part of my Hallowe'ening and vaguely trying to rewatch the first one but get too sleepy! Would love to watch the Paranormal Activity ones again, but no access to those.

@WrenNatsworthy Hello! Sorry to hear about your side effects (always want to call them SFX as they do with special effects in the movies) but glad they resolved. How frustrating about your post vanishing! I've never had Chipotle and don't know about Wendy's, maybe in very distant past...

@HerbalRefreshmentt Oooh very impressed by your sleep! Is the dex unpleasant/difficult for you? I actually asked my onc to let me keep taking it at the beginning of my cycle, but perhaps mine is a lower dose? (Take 8 4mg tabs over a period of 5 days each cycle.)

@TwigTheWonderKid Hope you got to Sainsbury's on the glorious day! It's wretched to feel down though. Anxiety re scans etc is not pleasant on top of whatever else one is feeling.

@mowly77 So very sorry to hear about vomiting and pain. Horrible and unfair that you have to endure it.
Paperwork is so nasty always to get through even if everything is going smoothly and the insurance thing sounds a massive hassle.
Beach shuffle in aggressively floral coat sounds like a win though and coat sounds very nice indeed, unless it's so aggressive that it insults the neighbours! Is it like the ones on Sittingsuits? Wish we could all converge on your beach for a frolic.
And you have a sparkly cape thing! I have a witchy pendant and various black clothes, oh and orange leggings so will have an outfit just for watching whatever scary things I can find after the appointment. (Did find some very scary things at back of fridge recently during a much needed cleanout but those were not the sort of chills I had in mind...)
That charity sounds just lovely! Well done you for winning a holiday!

HerbalRefreshmentt · 24/10/2023 19:50

@LuciaPillson Im on a super small dose that is really mostly preventative for rebound/flare pain - 4mg once a day for a week. However, yo we RODE the WAVE last night, I was up until 3am doing god knows what and blathering to partner and making all sorts of plans and read half a book on the Donner Party. Finally passed out and got four hours of sleep. The two nights before were dex free so... hoping I can return to them in due course!

Just got my first rads done on my broken butt cheek (I snuck a look at the screen with the scan and one side looks like a withered peach :/) and walking back to the station was so much easier than walking TO the hospital not 45 minutes before. So here is hoping this is going to help sort the situation and quick. Gotta haul in tomorrow for mid morning so I really need some sleep tonight.

Seem to have picked up a slight head cold with sneezing and runny nose only which is more annoying than anything else. Also the dex + the blood thinners = facial flushing which is no bueno.

Hope everyone else is doing as well as they can and finding something to smile about!

LuciaPillson · 25/10/2023 16:18

Well, woke up wondering if I could possibly accomplish anything today. Then took some painkillers, pulled up my pity panties (god I hate that word yet here I am inflicting it on myself and others) and did some handwashing, then sat on the floor in my bin liner and cut my hair!! Woohoo. Very scruffy and bits sticking out wrong but it always settles eventually, kind of, it's never what you'd call really presentable as it's very thin and sparse and weak and weird and contorts in all the wrong ways and always seems to be trying to flee my head and my head is also very weird so the general effect is imo rather unpleasant. But I will feel better as it needed to be done. Washed it at the kitchen sink and am even contemplating maybe getting out to the shops... maybe.

I have developed a strange toothpaste problem. Certain tastes like mint and ginger are now painful and feel like they are burning my mouth. I like toothpaste with stuff for sensitivity, but the only ones I can tolerate are kids' ones that taste of strawberry or bubble gum and of course are not meant for sensitive teeth, they only have fluoride. Every single adult toothpaste is mint and it suddenly struck me as completely insane. I have minty ones that I occasionally use very briefly but damn it, it hurts.

@HerbalRefreshmentt You know my perpetually confused mind couldn't decide whether you were saying you liked/tolerated dex or didn't (or some combination of the two)! Brain really not functioning well. I know that they cautioned me about insomnia but I think almost all my sleep issues are caused by the ostomy. I haven't found dex prevents me from sleeping (caffeine didn't use to either when I still drank caffeinated tea/coffee). But if it's helping me a little with appetite/energy it's likely a good thing... I guess, and I'm not aware of much in the way of side effects though who knows. Your poor butt cheek! I do hope it starts feeling better. And hey you know all about the Donner party which is awesome.

TwigTheWonderKid · 25/10/2023 18:35

@LuciaPillson can I just say how much your posts make me smile? Despite your condition, side effects and everything that comes with all of that you have a wonderful energy that is so uplifting!

I don't know if it's any help at all, I'm sure you will have already looked yourself, but I came across this unflavoured toothpaste for sensitive teeth Here.

OraNurse Unflavoured Toothpaste

Formulated for people sensitive to strong flavours SLS free (Non-foaming) Free from artificial colours and flavours Vegan friendly Two options: 1450 ppm fluoride and 1000 ppm fluoride

https://www.dentaldirect.co.uk/oranurse-unflavoured-toothpaste.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw-eKpBhAbEiwAqFL0muji-0UGC2K0S38OHgplKw5fhPjY1NPll6PmrAOZ3FYvcjzPDh5iBxoCF-4QAvD_BwE

LuciaPillson · 26/10/2023 06:48

@TwigTheWonderKid Thank you for your kind words. So often I'm hesitant to post because everything I have to say sounds so dull and awful to me, but I get a lot out of everyone else's posts, that mixture of dark humour and heartfelt honesty. I haven't forgotten your plan of turning yourself into a diamond ring, it really made me laugh!

Thanks for the toothpaste recommendation, I'll check it out. What the hell is the reason for this tyranny of mint?

Muddle2000 · 26/10/2023 11:14

Told I had incurable b cancer 8 years ago Consultant wanted to stop my chemo
I asked for a Pet scan which showed no l node involvement and slow growing So here I am

TwigTheWonderKid · 26/10/2023 13:52

Hi @Muddle2000. Welcome to our thread. Sorry you find yourself here but we all find this a comforting place to moan, groan and sometimes laugh together.

So have you been receiving any treatment in the last 8 years?

mowly77 · 26/10/2023 22:50

Hi everyone. Welcome @Muddle2000 I’m sorry you find yourself here but we’re all here for you too. If you want to share more about your cancer, treatment, moans, groans or dark humour this thread has got it all. Dive into our ball pit of … erm … stuff. (See below).

@LuciaPillson i am loving the idea of your haircut so much! WELL DONE. I actually washed mine yesterday so I too am PROUD. If the Cape ends up working I figure I might have a few months reprieve on my hair falling out (all my lines of treatment seem to work for a few months) so I might bite the bullet and get a real trim (can’t say cut there’s not much to cut) from a hairdresser. If I can make it out of the house ever.

i hate to jinx it but this week of Cape is now half way done wooo hoooo and it’s been infinitesimally better than the last cycle. Right I’ve jinxed it now I’ll be in A&E tomorrow with the rare side effect of my legs having fallen off.

Man half term is looong too. I am feeling the mum guilt as no energy - or spoons as I have learned from the fascinating pyjamas in hotels thread! — to do anything with DD. But a kind school mum took her to soft play with her daughter this morning. Of all the random things I miss about having no health anymore I actually miss soft play! I used to like a little bounce (great workout) and a slushie drink. Filth holes obviously but if they were sanitised and if I could actually move around without my lungs collapsing I’d love to dive into ball pit, relax, have a glass of wine. They should make em for adults …

anyway fantasies aside my big goal for tomorrow is leaving the house. I almost did it today. but nausea. I stood in front of the window instead that’s the same right. And I did a yoga video for my neck and shoulders and now have undone all that good work by typing this on my phone.

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mowly77 · 26/10/2023 22:53

@LuciaPillson if there are any health food shops you can order online from don’t they do weird flavours like … I dunno … mud, fennel, pine cone etc? I’m sure I remember seeing not-mint in my local health food shop. Although it’s been so long since I’ve been in there (irony of ironies) it may have been a fever dream.

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LuciaPillson · 26/10/2023 23:39

mowly77 · 26/10/2023 22:53

@LuciaPillson if there are any health food shops you can order online from don’t they do weird flavours like … I dunno … mud, fennel, pine cone etc? I’m sure I remember seeing not-mint in my local health food shop. Although it’s been so long since I’ve been in there (irony of ironies) it may have been a fever dream.

Oh yes they will do all the natural flavours probably as you say like sea algae, ptarmigan, Windigo, acorn, but then it's a kind of anti-toothpaste with no actual toothpaste ingredients so you might as well make your own out of moss and dew and birchbark.

mowly77 · 27/10/2023 00:01

LuciaPillson · 26/10/2023 23:39

Oh yes they will do all the natural flavours probably as you say like sea algae, ptarmigan, Windigo, acorn, but then it's a kind of anti-toothpaste with no actual toothpaste ingredients so you might as well make your own out of moss and dew and birchbark.

Well given your ingenuity with your hair cut I’d say making your own moss & algae flavoured toothpaste should an easy win. Mmm yes I appreciate it won’t have anything in it for actually cleaning your teeth though.

I also use sensitive teeth toothpaste and I’m supposed to use prescription extra fluoride toothpaste so all my teeth don’t fall out because of the denosumab injections for my bone mets but I’m so lazy I haven’t had that prescription refilled. I’d say all my teeth falling out hasn’t been high on my list of anxieties but if they did I’d probably be very annoyed that I didn’t bother to use my fluoride toothpaste.

can you dial the mint down and mix half regular with a large gob of pine/cone flavoured? clutching at straws here

(straw is also a good neutral toothpaste flavour).

it’s amazing the small agonies cancer brings isn’t it.

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LuciaPillson · 27/10/2023 04:12

I've been menaced by a spider in the bathroom whilst emptying ostomy pouch. Luckily avoided any terrible disasters (spillage) but a horribly uneasy time was had by all, actually only by me, spider seemed fine with the whole thing. Bastard! Now of course do not know where it is.

LuciaPillson · 27/10/2023 08:02

I'm going to have to go in again. Fecking feck. Very tired after not going to bed properly but just napping at computer (bad). Vulnerable. Sleepy. Achy. No defences. What should I take in with me? Guns, whips, chains? Cannon? Armour? Horses, batons, napalm.....Oooh, grenades?

I might have to take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Buggery, buggery feckbottoms. 🕷

TwigTheWonderKid · 27/10/2023 14:15

@LuciaPillson thanks toy mother, I used to be terrified of spider (she used to hoover them up and then wrap about 74 reels of selotape over the end of the hose to ensure the poor creature was properly dead.

When I met DH he told me to imagine the spider in top hat and tails with tap shoes on all this little spidery feet and a winning smile. I would not say I am a spider's best friend but it's almost impossible to be properly scared of the little chap when you imagine them like that!

LuciaPillson · 27/10/2023 14:32

It's no good I'm afraid, I have the wrong kind of brain and I've just imagined the spider in a shellsuit with platform trainers, lots of gold bling, a stringy comb over with residual quiff at front and a long oily moustache. It is smoking a cigar while trying to sell my bathroom appliances on a dodgy site on the dark web. 🕸

TwigTheWonderKid · 27/10/2023 14:46

Ok, yes you are clearly beyond help. In that case, I'd just move out and pour petrol through your letterbox as you go.

mowly77 · 27/10/2023 17:22

I like the spider chat. And I normally only post on here when I am feeling cheerful although never well because I am never well anymore. But that seems a bit silly on a stage IV cancer thread.

today I am having a very bad day and it’s torture. 5 doses of cape left this week. I hope next week gets better. Things are dark right now. Emotionally and

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mowly77 · 27/10/2023 17:22

… physically

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LuciaPillson · 27/10/2023 19:26

@mowly77 I'm sorry the Cape is so difficult and horrible for you. It's not ok at all. Will you get a break? Biggest of big hugs.

TwigTheWonderKid · 27/10/2023 21:34

Oh @mowly77 Cape really is a fucker. My side effects seem to change each round and now the skin has started to peel off one of my hands.

Please come here when you are feeling rubbish, aside from all the spider talk, that is exactly what we are here for; to give and get support from people who really get it and who we can talk to without fear of overburdening them.

My cat, Smudge, suggested that seeing a photo of him might make you feel better. Typical cat!

Stage IV cancer? Incurable? Roll up, roll up, this thread is for you!
mowly77 · 28/10/2023 00:27

Smudge was right @TwigTheWonderKid cats normally are.

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mowly77 · 28/10/2023 00:36

Lucia I get a week on a week off but even in my week off the side-effects mostly continue, & the pattern has been I feel most well by Saturday, which is day 6 of the break. If I then leave house / play with DD / make a meal/ do anything remotely active or normal I’m floored again by Sunday. So that’s 1/14th of a life.

Those are not enticing odds. I’d rather go to Switzerland tbh.

I feel like I’m missing my daughter’s whole childhood. She’s only 5 and it’s such a great age where everything excites her and she wants to spend all her time with me & she was trying to get into my room all day to tell me stuff and play with me and I couldn’t let her in because I was so sick. I’m so heartbroken. It’s definitely affecting her she’s getting more and more in need of attention the sicker I am and I’m just in a million pieces about it and can’t stop crying.

DH is stressed out because he’s doing everything and so he’s grumpy with her & no one’s looking after me and my heart breaks just a little bit more.

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LuciaPillson · 28/10/2023 04:46

@mowly77 I wish they could give you either a lower dose or say, a three week rather than a two week cycle to give you another recuperative week. Or something! I may be dense but don't see why it can't be more flexible.

I wish you had an extra adult available to do some more of the adulting. Useless to wish I know. But I do keep wishing hard for you and your daughter nonetheless. 💖

TwigTheWonderKid · 29/10/2023 20:46

Evening all. How are we doing?

Had a lovely day today. My oldest friend and her husband came for a long, boozy lunch. They've been living overseas for the last 20 years so it's lovely to have her near enough to pop over for lunch, although I think she is understandably struggling with my diagnosis.

LuciaPillson · 29/10/2023 21:20

We are a little fuzzy round the edges! Well just me perhaps.

Your lunch sounds fun! It must be nice to have your friend back from abroad after so long.

What did you eat? I'm picturing, let's see, ramekins filled with something or other, pate on crusty bread.. a blended winter soup? Tall elegant wineglasses with either a robust little Shiraz or a bone dry lemony Pinot Grigio, linen napkins and french windows giving onto the garden. I seem to have started to think like a home decorating magazine, for some reason.

My friends came round briefly to drop some stuff off and I was able to give my friend her overdue birthday present. I told her if I'd tried to wrap it, it would have been at the centre of a messy ball of torn crumpled tissue paper and I'd have tape all stuck to me and I'd be crying. So I just bunged it un-tissued into a gift bag I found lying around, which she promptly gave back to me! Anyway she's got it now so it's off my mind.