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Pamela - Bile Duct Cancer (last thread pancreatic and liver)

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WilsonMilson · 30/06/2023 18:19

Hi everyone, I’ve created a new thread as I am overwhelmed to see that the last one is full. You have all filled me up with your hope and encouragement. I’m keeping going as long as I possibly can!!

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Munchyseeds2 · 03/07/2023 20:13

I'm sure most of us would donate something in a heartbeat, let's hope it's not needed but always an option

Daisychainsandglitter · 03/07/2023 20:14

I would chip in too xx

ticktock19 · 03/07/2023 20:16

I'd absolutely donate too, I just want you to have every opportunity with the best standard of treatment and also with such a knowledgeable consultant. Thinking of you 💗

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 03/07/2023 20:17

I’d honestly put in £100 for a plane to London. If another 99 people could then we have the money. Would the London dr start treatment for you asap if you can get there?

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 03/07/2023 20:20

Pamela, I hope you don't have to go to London, but if you do then I ( and I am sure many more would too) would chip in.

I wish I had access to a private jet for you.

Good shout above, re asking BUPA if they would cover the transport in the circumstances. Got to be worth asking.

Also Good shout re hospital bed with an appropriate mattress - the community nurse or Macmillan nurse should be able to organise one.

Sending gentle hugs xx

Toothiepegg · 03/07/2023 20:21

I would happily donate too.

Eileen101 · 03/07/2023 20:23

I'd make a contribution for sure.

catsandkid · 03/07/2023 20:23

So pleased to hear from you Pamela - I have been checking in on this thread multiple times a day.

Anger is a totally natural reaction to your situation. Aside from the 'why me' feelings of having an illness, I agree that the NHS has spectacularly let you down. I'm unfamiliar with NHS processes, but all this nonsense about waiting for MDT's to meet and discuss endlessly seems barbaric at times.

I hope you are prescribed some decent pain relief soon. I strongly believe that you will feel immensely better - mentally and physically - simply by being made comfortable from the pain.

Best of luck for the meeting with Prof Vass tomorrow - praying that they are able to offer the stent and a treatment plan for you. Please do use the wheelchair to conserve your strength.

catsandkid · 03/07/2023 20:25

I would also happily contribute £100 or so, if it came to that.

AutisticLegoLover · 03/07/2023 20:30

I couldn't contribute much but I'd give what I could x

Flamingmentalcats · 03/07/2023 20:31

Thinking of you and your family. You truly are amazing and I hope you find a way to london. Sending love to you all X

Poppercorn · 03/07/2023 20:41

I would also contribute.

Pamela do you have a friend following this thread that could set this up for you?

Oceancreature · 03/07/2023 20:43

Pamela, I’m sending so much hope that you can reach a treatment plan and I’m so glad that the simple joys are soothing for you you. Sending my very best wishes 💐

petuniasandpetals · 03/07/2023 21:11

I would also like to contribute x

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/07/2023 21:13

I would contribute £100 too.

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pontipinemum · 03/07/2023 21:18

Would there be anywhere in Dublin that would be as good? You wouldn't need a flight then. Or the Red Cross ambulance? I have heard of them going to England to collect people to sick to travel back to Ireland.

Cameraduck · 03/07/2023 21:25

BiteyShark · 03/07/2023 19:05

Pamela I am so sorry that things are not moving quickly enough.

My DM found the itching terrible but the carers would smear her with e45 cream which helped a bit plus cutting her nails down to avoid scratching herself in her sleep.

The macmillan nurse organised a hospital bed to be delivered to her home. I wonder if this might help with your sleeping but I can't say I have ever found them comfy but we did throw a mattress topper on it to make it softer.

This - meds available for itch - GP may not want to prescribe without discussion with consultant or specialist nurse.
another thing to try is mentholated creams - put them in the fridge for extra effect, you might also try any of the anti itch moisturisers. Sometimes slapping rather than scratching can also help, altho it doesn’t sound as if you’ve the energy for that.
are your bowels moving? You should be trying to make sure they are & lactulose may help with that & helps to keep your gut ‘clean’.
do you have supplement drinks? You can get small volume ones now if you find them too disgusting. Also often better from the fridge.

good luck. Please do use the wheelchair.

Pansypotter123 · 03/07/2023 21:26

I'd contribute too 💕

Cactusali · 03/07/2023 21:30

£100 from me too if needed. Does anyone have connections with a philanthropist in Ireland or London (or anywhere) that would step in? Of course, hope it’s not necessary Pamela and that you get support and a proper plan when you see the consultant tomorrow.

mcmooberry · 03/07/2023 21:45

Thank you for your update have been checking the thread all weekend, I will chip in too and gladly. If the Prof tomorrow doesn't have a clear and urgent plan to help you then the only option is to get to London. You have to believe that you will be like the poster whose husband had the same thing and made it to Turkey on that lovely family holiday. Sending love and all my thoughts xx

uncomfortablydumb53 · 03/07/2023 21:45

I'm angry on your behalf that the delays in any treatment, or even a plan have lead to to feeling so very unwell and I think it's outrageous that you haven't been contacted by the palliative care team
I hope you can find a way to get to the hospital in comfort Do not worry about going in a wheelchair you're test results tell the real story.
Your love for Jacob shines through your post, and your devoted Kerr is by your side, showering you in their love
Pamela, you're an amazing woman, so strong and brave, even though you won't feel it.
Putting my arms around you, giving you a gentle hug
Hold onto Hope
Much love
Judith in Wiltshire

Kiwiandstrawberries · 03/07/2023 21:48

I have been wondering about a go fund me for Pamela since before the weekend.
Pamela ask Kerr to look into it . I would definitely contribute.
Does anyone on Mumsnet know someone with a plane or even a helicopter.
Pamela hopefully your appointment tomorrow will be satisfactory.
Sending you love and (hugs) .
Can Macmillan provide you with a decent bed . Xx

Showdogworkingdog · 03/07/2023 22:01

I’ve been thinking of you and your family all weekend. I really hope you can get the treatment, love to you all xx

Goldbar31 · 03/07/2023 22:01

Pamela, you are amazing.
I have my fingers and toes crossed for you.

Spudsanyway · 03/07/2023 22:12

WilsonMilson · 03/07/2023 18:42

Hi all,

Haven’t had any energy over the weekend to post, but I’ve been reading all your messages as ever and loved seeing all the pictures and reading the genuinely heartfelt sentiment, it gives me a real boost especially in harder moments, and even though you all make me cry bucketloads, I thank you.

I’ve slept a lot during the last couple of days, trying not to drift in to just sleeping and wasting away though. Late mornings I seem to feel particularly spaced out and tend to sit in the sunroom with my feet on a footstool surrounded by pillows and try to just float into a sweaty nothingness. I’m listening to radio plays on YouTube when I have any concentration at all. I’ve tried to listen to the yoga nidra that someone suggested and it did seem to calm me down a bit.

Have got into a bit of a better routine with Kerr regarding pain. He tended to go into quite the panic when my pain was very bad, and flapped about trying to rub my back, sort my meds, generally having a bit of a meltdown himself, making for a more stressful situation (bless him, he’s just helping, I’m not criticising in any way). But, we’re trying the opposite now, he just sits and strokes my arm or leg and speaks quietly, sometimes about nice memories, sometimes just soothing words. It actually seems to help me so much more to come down from a really bad point of pain, so the emotional soothe factor does seem to have an actual physical benefit.

This jaundice is pretty awful now. It makes you feel ill in a way that’s almost impossible to describe apart from to say it feels like your insides are poisoned and every cell feels like it’s struggling to do what it’s meant to. I’m very yellow and continuing to have all the other symptoms, now also very itchy into the mix. I’m extremely concerned that each day I am weaker and weaker and I’m not entirely convinced I can go through a stent operation - but that may be the jaundice talking, I don’t really know. My weight loss is shocking, I’m almost unrecognisable, despite really trying to eat and have supplements, and yet my abdomen is so distended and bloated that I look like a little ball with stick arms and legs. The pressure of the abdomen is constant and there feels like no escape.

I keep going back to feeling extremely let down by the 7 weeks this has now taken to get to the point of diagnosis and not even treatment - I was in hospital 10 days ago when the jaundice began and here I am back home with still no solution, no benefit whatsoever from antibiotics and no stent. I feel extremely bitter and angry about this to be honest (more on that later).

I can’t sleep in my bed anymore, the mattress is just too hard, we have tried a hundred ways to get me comfortable in a sort of nest type situation, but the only thing that seems to be tolerable is sleeping on one of the old sofas we have in the sunroom which is really soft and moulds around me. The ridiculous performance we have to go to with about 7 pillows to get me into a position that I can have half a chance of sleeping in seems to take ages, and then I’m scared to move an inch. I’m actually really fearful of nighttime now as my pain seems worse then. Poor Kerr is sleeping on the other sofa, and for a 6’4” man it’s hardly ideal. He insists though, he’s a total star.

On the pain note, nothing from palliative care yet (quelle surprise), but GP only put referral in on Friday and as we have seen so far, things do not move fast here. I’m having codeine more regularly now and in some ways I do think that’s helped a bit, although last night was a total bust. Was up 4am -6.30am with incredible pain, just didn’t know what to do with myself, it was horrendous. The only thing I can liken it to is what I imagine a gallbladder attack is like, thankfully I’m not 10/10 pain like that constantly, but I’m rarely below a 5. Hopefully get that sorted in the next few days (or not depending on how slow things are).

Very worried about my walking, I just can’t seem to do it for more than a few steps, then I seize up completely. I’m trying to do a bit every day, but I’m also concerned that I simply cannot walk to this appointment tomorrow in Belfast with Mr Vass, and if Kerr manages to get a wheelchair, will that skew the doctor’s opinion of whether I’m strong enough for an operation? Also, the dread of being back in a hospital is so real, and I have entirely lost faith in the NHS here. Honestly, I have, my experience so far as been so terrible. Not the nurses, I really want to make that clear, I’ve only encountered kindness there, but the consultants I saw in Antrim hospital were frankly appalling. They were disinterested, didn’t know my case, didn’t entertain stenting (they can’t do it there anyway - so why was I even there?) and just seemed to throw some antibiotics at me in a vain hope of some success and let me go home in a far weakened state when it was clear I wasn’t working.

It’s so hard to articulate this, and maybe it’s just because I’ve been so low the past couple of days, but there are genuinely times when I just don’t want to suffer like this anymore. I don’t want to die of course, but when the pain is really bad, it seems like a way out if I did. I hate feeling that way. I don’t want to give up. Sometimes I also sit and think that if the stent is going to be difficult, cause only more pain, only buy me a short time, or I die on the operating table or in hospital, or maybe if it works and then I have to exist in this pain and worse for weeks and months, and maybe have treatment that also causes me to feel even more terrible - I just don’t know if I want that for me or for my family. It’s been awful this weekend for them to see me like this, it must be like being trapped in endless horror. It’s probably because I feel so awful that I’m thinking this, but there are times when all I want is peace. I had no idea that pain and illness could be so terrible. I know people say ‘life is suffering’ but man oh man, I had absolutely no clue. I think this has all been fuelled by my bad experience in hospital, and my loss of faith in the doctors here.

Ok, enough of the self pity and on to more productive things that have restored some of my faith in the medical profession. Today we talked to Prof Bridgewater in London. He was nothing short of amazing. He said if I was under his team in UCHL London I could be stented and start chemo within a week, he would also get me on immunotherapy and has put in place motions for my biopsy to be sent for genetic testing. All within a 30 min call. He said the jaundice doesn’t have to clear for chemo to begin with him (different to what I’ve been told here). Miraculous. This would be covered under Bupa. We just need to get to London and stay there. I have a very kind friend in London who has offered to put us up, and we are seriously considering our options. I am not really well enough to fly commercial, so we are also looking into those options for travel within the bounds of reality, we sadly don’t have private jet access! The thought of leaving the house let alone travel to London is a lot. What are the other options though?

Well the other option is that we are to see Prof Vass here tomorrow in Belfast to see what he has to say for himself. If he says something like, no stent possibilities (like they did in the Antrim hospital - awful) or a 2 week delay (which I won’t survive frankly) and then weeks again ahead for chemo and all sorts of MDT delays and nonsense that only kick the can further down the road, and then probably no immuno options here, then I don’t think we have a choice but to go to London. I need to have the chance to live. So, that’s where I’m at. The talk with the Professor in London was eye opening in that it’s really brought home quite starkly the failings of the last 7 weeks and now I’m quite frankly so angry that I’ve been left to get to death’s door when things could all have been much different.

Don’t want to end on an angry note though as I hate holding on to resentments and try not to be a bitter person generally, just want to thank you all for your continued support, love and good wishes, if means the absolute world to me and to my family. I think this appointment today has given me the fuel to really push for better care and options and has put me in a more knowledgable place for this meeting tomorrow, just hope I feel well enough to get through it ok. Will let you all know how I get on.

Ps, we did do some nice things over the weekend - we played rummy last night, and I won a couple of games. Jacob went to an Escape Room with his friends and enjoyed that, and we all watched the Celebrity Chase on Saturday night - it’s so funny that the simplest things are the only things I’m interested in right now. I watched the birds in the garden eating worms after a big downpour, and I’m enjoying seeing my lobelia, begonias and petunias flower in my pots. Still looking for the good in every day and talking about our best part of the day at round the dinner table - I’m really trying hard to sit at the table for dinner every evening, it’s hard going but somehow important.

I'm a nurse and looked after a very frail gentleman in his 80's who went through the same stenting procedure as you will be, he was improving last time I saw him. Much love. Xxxx 💕

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