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Do I have to send my son to his dads?

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Stressed199401 · 10/01/2025 23:03

This is a long one but I'm in desperate need of some legal advice. I will get a solicitor but this is imminent.

I have a 9 year old son, he's 10 in 2 weeks time. I left his dad in July 2015 due to domestic abuse. Out of fear of social services intervention I never reported the abuse at the time, but it was bad. Multiple occasions of strangulations, kicks, punches, objects thrown, items broken, locked in rooms for hours, phone hidden from me so I couldn't call for help, hair pulled. I left when my son was 5 months old and the only professional person I did disclose the abuse to was a housing officer and I have contacted them to see if they still have a record of that interview although I doubt it as it has been a long time.

I have messages on my phone from his dad's own mum, detailing him refusing to look after my son. These are from 2020 when he used to have supervised visits with his son at his mums house, he screamed at his mum telling her our son wasn't his problem and to leave him alone. He also hit his mum and his sister and was disowned and kicked out. he no longer has contact with any of his family.

for the first few years of his life, untill he was about 6 he was in and out, would go months without asking how he was, didn't see him for ages and then would pop up see him once and disappear again.

In 2021 he started seeing him now and again at his bedsit, I said no at this time to over night stays as he had no bed for our son to sleep in, and I was wary of who else he might live with. I didn't want him sleeping in a house with strangers.

This year he now lives in a 2 bed house with his girlfriend. I should add incase anyone thinks this is a case of bitter baby mum it's really not. I'm getting married soon to a wonderful man, and I have 2 young daughters I'm not jealous of his relationship, I know some people might think that.

So, he's never ever paid me a penny towards our son's upbringing in 9 and a half years. I asked him once to contribute towards football kit for his club he'd joined around 2019 and he said no. He states that he dosnt have to pay me because the government pays to bring our son up despite the fact I haven't claimed any benefits since 2020.

we have a verbal agreement only made through text message that he sees him from 11:30 to 5 on Saturdays and every second Saturday he has started to stay every other Saturday, this started in July 2024 because of his history of abuse I would rather he had no contact at all but I didn't feel I could refuse as I was worried he would take me to court for custody and it would make things worse for my son, so I agreed to this contact to keep the peace. possibly the wrong thing to do.

On the 27th of December I brought up his lack on contribution in hopes of being able to come to an amicable agreement. Our son is getting older, he's in lots of clubs and activities he's got an expensive residential trip soon, but he decided to ignore the message. I left it for a week but on the 4th of January I decided to apply for Child maintenance.

He messaged me yesterday saying that if he was going to pay child maintence he wanted 50/50 custody, obviously because of everything I've mentioned I obviously didn't agree to that, and he said he's going to take it to court and ensure he gets 50/50 custody. Even at the moment he makes any excuse not to go, but I always say he has to go and encourage him to go and have fun. Just this Saturday past his dad messaged me to say he wanted picked up 3 hours early, if he dosnt even want to be there for the minimal amount he goes now, imagine how he'd feel if he had to live there 50/50. Hes only going for 50:50 to worm out of paying maintenance. He's gone 9 almost 10 years doing the bare minimum And now suddenly because it's gonna cost him he wants to be a proper dad.

Im so careful not to bad mouth his dad in front of him, and everything my son says is his own opinion im so careful not to sway him against visiting. And I have never stopped him going out of spite ever, if hes ever not gone it's been down to illness. Or we've agreed over message to swap weekends or miss a weekend due to prior plans such as holidays or birthday parties.

If you've got this far Thankyou. this is where I need the advice...

Our son is supposed to be going to his dads as per our verbal agreement at 11:30 tommorow morning, His dad got him a PS5 for Christmas and some games which is great, the ps5 is in his room at my house because he lives here. That was his choice to allow him to bring it home. but because of our dispute we're having he has tonight while I've been at work messaged our son on the PS5 saying he has to bring the ps5 back to his house, and when my son has said why he said because I bought it, your mum can buy you one. And he will explain tommorow. My son called me crying. It's fine because my partner has a PS5 in the living room so he can have that one. I've been sure not to influence his choice, but he's said he dosnt want to see his dad tommorow now. He's said that his dad is taking out his anger on him and he's really upset and hurt. His words were "you can't just take back a Christmas present because you're angry, why is my dad being so horrible" I have explained to my son that his dads anger is aimed at me and not him and he's not to worry, I will sort it out.

But my question is this, tommorow morning I plan to take the ps5 and any accessories on their box to his house at 11:30. Do I have to force my son to go against his wishes if there's no court order? And if this Coll goes to court which I imagine it will what's the best course of action. What do I do? I don't want to make myself look bad by saying he's not going but at the same time knowing he has a history of abuse against me and other women, how can I send my send unsupervised into his house when I know he's angry and wants to upset me? What if he hurts him? What if he refuses to give him back? I'm beside myself with worry. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Nextyearhopes · 10/01/2025 23:06

Honestly I would cut this POS out of both your lives in EVERY way, have no further contact in ANY way or over ANY matter and if he kicks up a fuss let him take you to court.

intrepidgiraffe · 10/01/2025 23:07

Have only skim read your post - but you never have to send a child anywhere if there is no court order in place

ShadowsOfTheDays · 10/01/2025 23:11

I would put a million pounds on this piece of shit never bothering his arse or his wallet by going to court.

You don't have to send your son anywhere; there's no rules or agreements in place. Poor kid.

StSwithinsDay · 10/01/2025 23:18

Don't send him. And can you put controls on the PS5 so that he can't receive messages from anyone?

Stressed199401 · 10/01/2025 23:20

StSwithinsDay · 10/01/2025 23:18

Don't send him. And can you put controls on the PS5 so that he can't receive messages from anyone?

I will do on his new one, but his dad dosnt have his new ps5's account as a friend on my OH's ps5 that will now be his

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Stressed199401 · 10/01/2025 23:20

Do I have to let him speak to him? Or should I go alone?

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TheFormidableMrsC · 10/01/2025 23:23

Tell him to pick the bloody thing up. Don't go there. Don't send your son. Let him take you to court. He won't. Cut this piece of shit out of both your lives. What a cunt.

Stressed199401 · 10/01/2025 23:26

I currently have no contact with him I've given him my email address and blocked him on advice I was given on another post I made yesterday before tonight's update. He can contact me if he wants to but I don't have his email address untill he emails me. I imagine that's why he messaged our son on the PlayStation

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Soonenough · 10/01/2025 23:26

No court order means you have to do nothing. Your son doesn't need this shit dad in his life . Let him try to go for 50/50 see how that works out for him. In the meantime contact CMS and get some proper financial support for your son.

Stressed199401 · 10/01/2025 23:27

I have made a cms claim, it all hit the fan yesterday when he received the letter that's why he's doing all this.

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Hadalifeonce · 10/01/2025 23:33

Do not give this man your son's PS5, and do not make your son see him, if he doesn't want to.

tigerlily9 · 10/01/2025 23:39

If your son doesn’t want to go he doesn’t have to regardless of court order.
I would strongly advise you not to let your son be alone with his father as he cannot be trusted.

Keep a dossier of evidence to support your case. Get decent legal advice (you can get a free consultation to see if solicitor can help)

But even if you have a court order you cannot force a child to go, if your child says he does not want to go he doesn’t have to. Respect what your child is saying and telling you.

NZDreaming · 10/01/2025 23:45

@Stressed199401 as others have said you do not have to send your son to his dads if there is no court order. The PS5 belongs to your son, he can keep it where he chooses.

How badly do you need his financial support? Obviously he should be supporting his son financially but is the amount you’d get going to be worth it for the amount of stress this potentially is going to cause? I only say this because it sounds like he only maintains contact because you make it easy for him. I understand this has been for your sons benefit but if your son is telling you he doesn’t want to go (and at 9 I’d be inclined to listen) then perhaps now is the time to stop being so accommodating. If you stop contact and don’t pursue maintenance, in all likelihood he won’t go down the legal route. I’d then let your son know you will support him in having contact if and when he chooses but nothing more.

If you do need the money then until a court order is in place you don’t have to do anything. I’d hope courts would take into account your sons views and base contact on the level that has been established rather than jumping to 50:50 but I don’t have experience of this so wouldn’t know what was most likely.

Sunshine1500 · 10/01/2025 23:52

Don’t send your son and don’t sent the ps5,
id block his number.

Endofyear · 11/01/2025 00:01

You don't have to force your son to go there if he doesn't want to. Let him take you to court, I bet he won't bother. It sounds like an empty threat.

tolerable · 11/01/2025 00:02

fill out sars request for time frame disclosed house officer.
cntaact womans aid. yu d not hve to have reported aas crime etc.
ask for support and advice. take it.

Mindedmy · 11/01/2025 00:13

You don’t have to send DS tomorrow or at any point without a court order.
You don’t have to take a gift back
At 10, the court will take into account your sons wishes.
I doubt exdp would go to court and if he does, will take a while to get a slot.
CM should be paid in the interim.
Log every positive and negative contact from now on , including DS requests to come home early, and asking not to go.
Note your ex-dp lack of contact with his family and lack of wider family support (when he is caring for DS)
Does DS have a bedroom of his own at DF house? That would be considered in residency orders.
Perhaps also talk to school, let them know about the difficulties at home and ask them to keep an eye out for distressed behaviours in your son.

Stressed199401 · 11/01/2025 08:59

Mindedmy · 11/01/2025 00:13

You don’t have to send DS tomorrow or at any point without a court order.
You don’t have to take a gift back
At 10, the court will take into account your sons wishes.
I doubt exdp would go to court and if he does, will take a while to get a slot.
CM should be paid in the interim.
Log every positive and negative contact from now on , including DS requests to come home early, and asking not to go.
Note your ex-dp lack of contact with his family and lack of wider family support (when he is caring for DS)
Does DS have a bedroom of his own at DF house? That would be considered in residency orders.
Perhaps also talk to school, let them know about the difficulties at home and ask them to keep an eye out for distressed behaviours in your son.

he has a bed there now, to say his own room is a bit of stretch it's his dads home office with a bed in it.

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crashbandicooty · 11/01/2025 09:10

Let him take you to court (he won't)

AConcernedCitizen · 11/01/2025 09:27

The PS5 belongs to your son, don't give it back. He can remove his dad as a friend also if he wants to, to stop him messaging via the PS5.

Just FYI, if your son logs into the new PS5 with his PSN account, his dad will still be able to message him.

More importantly, don't send your son anywhere he doesn't want to go. If everything you've said is true, it seems very unlikely that his dad will be paying to go to court for him.

yellowsun · 11/01/2025 09:28

A subject access request to housing sounds like a good idea. It takes a while so good to start collecting evidence just in case.

I am safeguarding lead in a school. This is a very familiar situation, sadly. Definitely listen to your son and stop contact. Do not go to the house yourself- if you are going to give back, get someone else to take it there.

He may initiate court proceedings as a control tactic but it doesn’t sound like he has a suitable living arrangement and your son’s voice would definitely be taken into consideration.

You need to speak to school. Is he on the birth certificate? If so, school wouldn’t legally be able to stop him picking your son up from school. If school speak to you and your son and understand the risk, they can delay and call you to collect. Unfortunately this can be another tactic.

JoyousPinkPeer · 11/01/2025 12:04

Keep a record - when, where, who, what.

If your son doesn't want to go - don't make him. Again keep a good record.

Email to say the PS5 was a Christmas gift and you are not allowing your son to return it as requested.

Stick to your guns on CMS

Stressed199401 · 11/01/2025 12:26

The pS5 has gone back, the conversation went like this. I walked up to the door handed him the box. He took it and said "where's ....."
I said "hes not coming, he's decided off his own accord he didn't want to come" he said "he dosnt want to come because I've took the ps5 back?" I said "I don't know what you expect, you've really upset him, and it's not just that it's everything" he said "tell him to turn his phone on so I can talk to him" I said "he's lost it" (which is true we've looked everywhere.) and she said "great" and shut the door. I was there less than a minute

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TheFormidableMrsC · 11/01/2025 14:25

Stressed199401 · 11/01/2025 12:26

The pS5 has gone back, the conversation went like this. I walked up to the door handed him the box. He took it and said "where's ....."
I said "hes not coming, he's decided off his own accord he didn't want to come" he said "he dosnt want to come because I've took the ps5 back?" I said "I don't know what you expect, you've really upset him, and it's not just that it's everything" he said "tell him to turn his phone on so I can talk to him" I said "he's lost it" (which is true we've looked everywhere.) and she said "great" and shut the door. I was there less than a minute

He can sit there with the PS5 he's removed from his 10 year old and wonder where it all went wrong can't he? What an utter waste of oxygen. I hope neither of you hear from him again.

I hope you and your boy are OK though. I know how bloody hard this is because I've walked the same mile. My ex sold my son's beloved Hornby set. He was a little boy. It was such a shit thing to do. We have no contact. It's better to have no contact than a shitty manipulative and abusive parent. Flowers

Sunshine1500 · 11/01/2025 17:06

that was probably the best move returning it, because he would only think you owed him. ridiculous as that is!
let the cms do their work now and have no contact.

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