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Iv been called as a witness and I’m very scared the man will find out who I am!

50 replies

Emz2019 · 21/04/2021 21:12

Ok so basically a few weeks back me and my partner were having a few drinks in our bedroom, we have CCTV set up around our house and often have it on the tv in the background if we are not watching tv. So that’s what was happening at that time. I suddenly looked over to the tv and seen a man hiding in our garden..... I could hear a lot of police sirens in the area, I was scared and could see the man was holding a weapon in each hand. I freaked and called 999!!! I told them I was in my room and having a drink and I have cctv and I can see a man in my garden and I can hear police cars all over the area and she asked for my area and I told her and immediately her voice changed and she needed my address and was updating the officers while I was on the phone and they came and they got him.
Now Iv been called as a witness. He’s up for a lot of bad things including attempting to endanger life by arson and GBH and I think ok this is obviously a very dangerous man and I’m scared that In court will I have to give my name and address? The man was drunk at the time and had wrote his car off into some tree near my house too, and I’m scared he will hunt me down and blame me for having cctv and being a witness’s. I’m just freaking out!!! What would you do? What should I do??

OP posts:
HeronLanyon · 22/04/2021 07:21

Sounds as though op has simply been asked for dates to avoid - mags will have transfer this to the crown court (guessing but likely for description of events he’s charged with more serious offences).
There’ll be an early crown court hearing (usually 6 or so weeks form mags sending it to crown) getting things ready for trial. This includes setting a trial date.

You are in the witness list. Not until that plea and trial preparation hearing will the prosecution and defence confirm who they need as witnesses.
You’re early stages op. When you know a bit more you’ll be able to ask why you’re being called (if you are).

LemonRoses · 22/04/2021 07:22

Does the police officer look like Steve Arnott? Is it a OCG, do you think? Check your freezer for bodies.

Al82 · 22/04/2021 07:23

A similar thing happened to me last year. I saw an incident happening and rang the police.
Even though I didn't actually have anything to report I was still made (forced!) to go to court to give evidence. You can be fined or arrested if you refuse to go.

I was concerned for my family as it happened right by my house but the court weren't very helpful and said call the police if he ever approached me or my family. Luckily I've not properly seen him since!

I was called a couple of weeks after the incident and then it took 6 months to go to court- hedidnt turn up so I had to go back another 3 months later. Sorry you are going through this.

Its made me feel very reluctant to ever get involved in anything again and call the police.

Bluntness100 · 22/04/2021 07:24

Um why do you need to give a statement if there is video footage?

Bluntness100 · 22/04/2021 07:26

And if the police actually got him in your garden? What would you be witnessing?

Confused
LaurieFairyCake · 22/04/2021 07:27

Surely his dna will be on the stolen car - he was drunk so probably not wiping off fingerprints and dna on the way out...

LaurieFairyCake · 22/04/2021 07:27

And he'd have to prove he was walking his friends dog... the friend would have to say he was

lilsquish · 22/04/2021 07:28

why are people saying this is made up.

if the guy is remanded the case will call a lot quicker than run of the mill ones.

OP, i understand your worries but please dont withdraw your statement. The courts really need good people to stand up against these criminals otherwise they will just continue to commit crime without fear of reprisal.

The chances of there being any come back on you is slim. Courts often have staff dedicated to helping witnesses through the process. id give them a call and see if they can alleviate some of your concerns.

UCOinanOCG · 22/04/2021 07:32

Sometimes you can be called to court as a witness then they decide they don't want to use you and you are sent home. Due to the jobs I used to do I was cited for court dozens of times and I never saw the inside of a court room once.

CheekyWeeShite · 22/04/2021 08:11

@LemonRoses

Does the police officer look like Steve Arnott? Is it a OCG, do you think? Check your freezer for bodies.
Would that make OP the CHIS? Oh dear.

Seriously OP, if he’s aware that someone called the police to say he was in their garden and on camera, or if they’ve shown him the footage (as they often do in interview) then he already knows where you live. Seems quite likely to me you won’t need to be called as a witness even if he does plead not guilty.

CircleofWillis · 22/04/2021 08:39

I have ring security which I can watch but doesn't record unless I pay for an additional storage fee. The op could have a similar system which means that she doesn't have a recording.

JorisBonson · 22/04/2021 08:43

Did ye aye.

NameChangedForThisFeb21 · 22/04/2021 09:07

Similar thing happened to me as a legal adult (ie 18) still living in my childhood home, except it was a violent assault and GBH of a young woman that I witnessed from my childhood home, right next to my garden. I’d already been a victim of violent crime in the same home as a child of 8 and had flashbacks and anxiety for years.

Went through all the police statement taking etc and was asked if I’d come forward as a witness if it went to court. I asked what steps would be taken to protect me as this man, if he got off, would know where I lived. I was assured I’d be protected, evidence behind a screen, police protection given if he did get off (ie if I called 999 there would be a car in attendance within 2 mins), even advised I might be able to give video link evidence because of my age and previous history as a victim of crime suffering from poor mental health as a result but I was also, in my opinion, guilt tripped. Told the trial hung on me. To think of the victim and how I’d feel if it was me (trust me, I couldn’t STOP thinking of the victim, I’d seen her head get beaten to a bloody pulp and stamped on over and over while she screamed and pleaded for her life).

It was about 2 years before it got to court because he kept going missing but I kept getting copies of my witness statement to agree to and where I lived was always so identifiable when I read it back. On the day I got to court (after being told videolink wasn’t possible), I was shaking, having panic attacks and when I got to the holding room the officers had no idea about the previous promises. I was put in a room with other witnesses who were freely discussing their statements with no supervision and I started to worry this could prejudice a fair trial and he could have grounds for appeal.
His previous violent crimes and history as a soldier were discussed which I hadn’t known about and which left me even more frightened. As the police were taking me into court, they explained something and said I didn’t need to look at the defendant and I quickly realised they’d “forgot” about the screen. I brought it up and they said I wasn’t having one. I told them that was a condition of me attending court and it was laughed off “yeah they’ll promise you anything to get you here!” then told it wasn’t necessary. I said I wouldn’t be appearing in court in that case and then the guilt tripping about the victim started again. I couldn’t take it and I literally just grabbed my bag and walked out. As it so happens, during a comfort break on his trial he managed to abscond yet again. The police were crap at protecting everyone involved in that trial.

Since then, I decided that I’d call the police again in similar circumstances but not give a statement or agree to appear in court in future.

ghostyslovesheets · 22/04/2021 11:17

Gosh how fast - from arrest to court in 3 weeks

Timper · 22/04/2021 13:35

@JorisBonson

Did ye aye.
Naw, she didnae.
DianaT1969 · 22/04/2021 19:21

Ah, the OP hasn't been back. She is probably in court and the defence has asked her to take over the case because she's a 2nd year law student. But she'll be home watching CCTV over a glass of wine this evening.

Bluntness100 · 22/04/2021 19:33

@CircleofWillis

I have ring security which I can watch but doesn't record unless I pay for an additional storage fee. The op could have a similar system which means that she doesn't have a recording.
And the fact thr police apprehended him in the garden,,,their testimony doesn’t count? 😂
RoseRedRoseBlue · 23/04/2021 01:06

LOL. This tale has more holes than I can count.

Emz2019 · 24/04/2021 20:30

Sorry to everyone and thank you for all the replies. Yes I gave a statement the next day. And the police asked me to send over the cctv on whatsapp which I did. However they said they need my statement behind the cctv to back it up so basically they stood in my kitchen and wore out a statement saying I was in my bedroom and seen on my cctv a man in my garden and I have sent this footage to pc what ever their name was. And then asked me if I was willing to take this statement and cctv to court. At the time I said I would. I didn’t think then that it was as serious I just knew there had been a car crash near my house and I assumed that’s all it was. I didn’t even think why he was carrying weapons except he had took them out of his car which of course I know now was not his car. My boyfriend said I’m getting myself in trouble and that this man was most likely so drunk he won’t remember where he ran or who’s garden it was so I’m in the clear until I show up in court at which point they would ask my full name and address in court Infront of this man. Which does worry me.

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user113424742258631134 · 24/04/2021 20:39

You whatsapped the police? Am I misreading that?

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 24/04/2021 20:51

@user113424742258631134

You whatsapped the police? Am I misreading that?
To be fair to OP, my friend was advised to what’s app a police officer some evidence.

Although he did then randomly turn up outside her work to ‘have a chat’ and then tried to kiss her, the wanker.

So maybe it’s not protocol

nitsandwormsdodger · 24/04/2021 21:10

Hiding in a garden is hardly a crime
Your cctv will not prove he has committed a crime the police will have to have evidence of an achual crime
You just helped catch him
Of course your name and address will not be read out our in court you are not witnesses to his crime

nitsandwormsdodger · 24/04/2021 21:12

Police always ask if you are willing to go to court its a standard question

Soontobe60 · 24/04/2021 21:14

And what exactly could you do if you didn’t go to court? You’ve got him on CCTV which I’m assuming the police have taken, and he was arrested in your garden. They hardly need you as a witness do they?

UCOinanOCG · 25/04/2021 05:58

That makes more sense then. You have been asked if you would be willing to give evidence in court. You haven't had a written citation to attend court. It may or may not go to court. You may or may not be cited. I would stop worrying about it right now. This may not happen for a year to 18 months. Worry about it if it actually happens.

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