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Mother Faked DNA Test

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RachelOrgan73 · 29/10/2020 21:11

So sorry for the long post and not sure i have put this in the right place, but could really do with some help. I will try to keep it as succinct as possible.

Boy meets girl who has 2 children from previous relationship. Boy moves in, Girl gets pregnant, Boy and Girl live happily for a very short while, She becomes quite controlling and ties to alienate him from his family. One afternoon he and his baby daughter go to spend time with his family and she refuses to come. She calls the police and claims that her eldest daughter told her that he had hit the baby. Of course, this was not true and the police could see this. They split up and boy goes to court and wins shared custody.
2 weeks past of 50/50 custody and out of the blue he receives in the post a letter saying she has done a DNA on another man and Man B is the Father and not Man A. Never seeing daughter again. The results look odd so it goes back to court who order a legal DNA test. When these results come back the identifying photograph has the child that was swabbed wrapped tightly in a blanket and a dummy in her mouth. The court agreed that there was no way of seeing that the child tested was in fact the correct child.
2nd DNA test ordered. Results come back. This time, Child has thick headband on and is turned at an angle and fast asleep, and although not clear to the court, clear to Boy that this child is the Girls Middle Daughter and not the baby.
Court Order a third DNA to be conducted at a Doctors Surgery. Doctor has never seen the chid before so blindly does the test and the results come back with a very clear photo of the MIDDLE daughter not the baby. This time the Father of the middle daughter confirms that the child in the photograph is his own and not the baby.
Back to court. She doesnt turn up. ANOTHER DNA ordered,. This time it is for tomorrow and she must arrive with all three children and this time the Father(?) is allowed to be present. I dont think she is going to turn up as she knows that the game is up. So what happens now?
It has been nearly a year since he last saw his daughter and this is destroying him.
Any advice?

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BlueThistles · 30/10/2020 00:01

Hypothetically., as he has not seen the Child for 1 year.. could she bring someone else's baby ?

just putting it out there Confused

BlueThistles · 30/10/2020 00:02

I'm so sorry OP.. I've not heard of anything so nasty calculating and treacherous in a long time.. good luck tomorrow Flowers

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RachelOrgan73 · 30/10/2020 00:35

@BlueThistles

Hypothetically., as he has not seen the Child for 1 year.. could she bring someone else's baby ?

just putting it out there Confused

We live in a small town so do “see” them regularly, so have seen the gradual changes in her. The child she has been using for the test is her second daughter who is just 18months or so older but is quite small in stature but more importantly doesnt speak (for reasons unknown). Ww have considered that she could bring another child, but then that would involve a third party/family. We are not convinced she would do this, but ultimately, pray that if she were foolish enough to ask a friend they would feel uncomfortable enough at the suggestion to refuse.
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2019user44 · 30/10/2020 00:39

Talk to your solicitor about appointment of a Guardian for the child. If the child has funding this may assist with getting this sorted out properly! Good luck. I have been involved in a case previously where mother faked a DNA test and residence was transferred to dad.

Lineofconcepcion · 30/10/2020 21:36

Contempt of court comes to mind . . .

BlueThistles · 30/10/2020 21:46

how did you get on today OP Flowers

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RachelOrgan73 · 30/10/2020 22:40

As expected. She didnt turn up. She sent an email to his solicitor saying she couldnt make it!

He was beyond devastated, however, we do have a little ray of hope when we got this from his solicitor this evening. [name redacted] is the Barrister who acted for him at the last Directions Hearing.

Dear XXXX

I have spoken to [name redacted] and he has advised that we try to book one more appointment and notify her of the new date but that I also write to her saying that if she does not comply then we will make a Court application to request that she is committed to prison and that she has to pay your costs.

[name redacted] said this next appointment should be the last attempt. I will prepare the letter on Monday and if you could go about arranging one last appointment slot.

Kind regards

[name redacted]

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Smallsteps88 · 30/10/2020 23:11

Sorry to hear this OP. She really is so disgusting.

There’s is some identifying info in your post you might ask MN to delete it for you.

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RachelOrgan73 · 30/10/2020 23:20

@Smallsteps88

Sorry to hear this OP. She really is so disgusting.

There’s is some identifying info in your post you might ask MN to delete it for you.

Oh - So sorry - I thought that the legal peoples names would be OK - how do I ask MN?
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Smallsteps88 · 30/10/2020 23:25

I think just for your own privacy it’s probably best to keep names out of it. Incase someone recognises them.

If you click on the 3 dots you will get a drop down menu where you should see a “report post” option. select that and just explain that you’d want to remove the identifying information.

CandyLeBonBon · 30/10/2020 23:37

That's hopeful op

SparklyOwl · 30/10/2020 23:43

How old is the child? Could a teacher or nursery worker sign a declaration to confirm identity and (hopefully) ensure the right child is tested?

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RachelOrgan73 · 30/10/2020 23:49

@SparklyOwl

How old is the child? Could a teacher or nursery worker sign a declaration to confirm identity and (hopefully) ensure the right child is tested?
Sadly not - she is 2 in February. Since all this has happened, she has very much kept her “under wrap”. Never letting her be seen on any social media or even without a hat on in public. She has very fine hair to the point where she looks quite bald and a (ahem) rather large forehead which makes her completely identifiable from her Sister who has a thick head of hair.
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TicTacTwo · 30/10/2020 23:55

I know a mum who used her friend's baby for the DNA test to prevent dad getting contact.
He now has 50/50

Breakupcharlie · 31/10/2020 00:02

Also bumping for you. Seems like a fathers worse nightmare that any human couldnt dream of.

I cannot believe she could have played the system to this extent.

I feel for the poor father and the child as as it reads right now the mother seems like a manipulative bitch.

OP I feel like you’re not going to get the answers you want (and I know when you’re desperate the internet seems like the right place) as I can’t imagine many cases where the mother fakes the DNA test (let alone multiple times).

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RachelOrgan73 · 31/10/2020 00:15

@Breakupcharlie

Also bumping for you. Seems like a fathers worse nightmare that any human couldnt dream of.

I cannot believe she could have played the system to this extent.

I feel for the poor father and the child as as it reads right now the mother seems like a manipulative bitch.

OP I feel like you’re not going to get the answers you want (and I know when you’re desperate the internet seems like the right place) as I can’t imagine many cases where the mother fakes the DNA test (let alone multiple times).

I know, but sometimes, just spending the time writing/typing it all out actually helps order things in my own head. I sometimes feel like I and we, as a family are going mad! And the nice comments received are actually really helpful. Maybe not in giving a solution, but the fact that there is some understanding and compassion for what he and we are going through right now.
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notapizzaeater · 31/10/2020 00:21

I bloody hope they throw the book at her tbh. She can't choose to play god with these kids. The fact she has been trying to pass the other child off shows she thinks the youngest is your sons.

BlueThistles · 31/10/2020 01:04

Im sorry to hear this OP, but the Barristers letter has the full weight of judicial consequences behind it. He sounds very good. Stay strong OP.. thinking of you all 🌺

BedknobsNoBroomsticks · 31/10/2020 02:55

I have no advice, the solicitors advice seems reasonable.

She must know that the child is your relatives otherwise she wouldn't have to take the DNA test. Would your relative think about going for residency of the child?

cabbageking · 31/10/2020 03:07

Court ordered DNA only use specified providers who are required to verify the ID of all parties. Did the judge not recommend any action 're the service provider?

sergeilavrov · 31/10/2020 03:26

Hi OP. I’m US trained and this isn’t my area, but wanted to give you the insight I have until a specialist comes along. Paternity fraud is a civil issue in the U.K., and those cases that have been proceeded civilly have been with regard to a man investing money/time into a child he was informed by a fraudulent DNA test were his own. To gain compensation for the year he has missed out would mean a costly test case, something from your OP it seems he would not pursue.

Lying in a custody case is not generally considered as contempt of court or perjury because of the nature of these cases. I suspect that when eventually the DNA test is administered correctly (assuming he is indeed the father), she is unlikely to face a penalty as it will be put down to a chain of errors or not in the interest of the children.

It may however influence the custody arrangement settled upon, because being so willing to take the child away may suggest the mother poses a risk to the stability of any such arrangement and she may find he gets majority custody of the children are viewed as likely to be harmed by similar lies in the future. The judge will want stability for the children, and will make decisions based on their welfare, not just the behaviour of both parents. The key to him getting better custody will be making a case of physical and emotional parental alienation. He needs a good solicitor.

I’d be cautious about the imprisonment threat: the father needs to demonstrate he wants what is best for the children, and given there is no alternate parent currently, it may be viewed a little poorly that he is willing to put the children in that position. I’m not justifying that, but judges make decisions based on the children’s welfare. Someone practicing in the U.K. will be more familiar with this element.

DrizzleandDamp · 31/10/2020 03:37

She’s a disgrace and I really hope it gets sorted for the father. Men generally find the world an easier place than women, but in terms of children and access it must be terrifying for them.

FunkyFunkyBeat · 31/10/2020 03:46

Suggest you delete the legal advice from this thread for fear of accidentally waiving legal privilege. Also delete the reference to the barrister's full name. Really inappropriate to link here.

TheBlessedCheesemaker · 31/10/2020 05:11

Given previous behaviour and risk of fake test, would it be possible to force her to attend with all of her children, and then have dna tests done on all three for both the mother and claimant? She’d need to pass all three to show she hasn’t brought in someone else’s child, and he would only have to test positive against one of the two younger kids to prove paternity of she tried to switch the younger two around.

sandgrown · 31/10/2020 06:54

I used to work for CSA . DNA tests were only accepted from Ministry of Justice approved companies. The testing doctor had to ID all participants and photos were provided. If the test was negative and there was doubt about the result both parties were interviewed and shown the photos. A second test could be ordered. If the mother failed to attend the judge would “draw inference “ from her refusal and adjudged the man not to be the father. Of course this meant he would never really know. If another man took the test to avoid maintenance the father and he could be sent to prison as it’s an offence. If the mother had lied the alleged father was refunded maintenance from the date he challenged the situation. Some “fathers” were devastated when they found out.