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Future MIL lied to fiancé about the contents of a will.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 16:06

So first off I know we need to see a solicitor; only not been because of the cost but hopefully we can in the future.

My fiancé's gran died in June 2012.

She had three children.

She wrote a will saying that fiancés mother R could live in her house as long as she moved in within 6 months of her mothers death and kept the house in good repair and insured. The idea was that R could visit her brother J in a care home. Fiancés aunt S is a trustee with a solicitor from a law firm. R hates S.

R did not want to live in the house. So visits for a few days a year but likes to have control over the place. She does not visit J. We suspect that the house is in a poor state. R is nearly 77 and also has a four bedroom house, in a poor state. I'm not sure how she will cope with two houses as she gets older.

My fiancé knew nothing much. That is grand house had never been sold and there were some lawyers involved.

My fiancé is recently estranged from R and long term estranged from every other relative apart from J. the entire family because they are mostly extremely abusive. Fiancé has a sibling who has never worked and lives with his mother. A sister who is married to a multimillionaire celebrity and a sister who went missing.

R told her son my fiancé the will and the house had nothing to do with him. She banned him from looking at the will. My mum read in an article that you can view wills online so I found it last year.

When J dies R looses the right to live there and the estate can be divided at any point with 80 years of the grans death.

We are hoping to have children soon who will be beneficiaries.

The trustees S and the lawyers never contacted my fiancé. If my mum had not read the article on how to find a will we would not have known anything.

What I wonder is why the trustees might have permitted R to visit the house once or twice a year when the will says that she must move in within six months and live there or the house must be ' held on trust' which I take to mean the trustees would take care of it.

These are my questions:

Can solicitors or trustees ignore what is written in a will or a trust document ?

Are trustees of a family trust obliged to make all beneficiaries of a trust aware of their interest or can they totally ignore beneficiaries, not tell them of the trust and not give them any money?

Fiancés mother is toxic. She has two favourite children and fiancé was a scape goat. When she dies I do suspect that my fiancé will be disinherited from his mothers estate. I wondered if his mum could have tried to make sure he never found out about the trust so more money would go to her favourite children.

I have heard from a distant relative I tracked down online that the family trustee S knows the house is falling into disrepair so imagine she must have told the solicitors. I have not spoken to the solicitors but I can't see how they would not know that R did not live there.

I suppose the trustee solicitors need to be contacted. From my description does it sound like the trustees could have acted improperly ? It is a concern they may charge hundreds of pounds just to speak to them.

I also wonder what will happen when R gets very old as J is about 20 years younger. People with downs are living so long these days that he may out live her.

I hope people will offer some thoughts which might help in working out how to approach.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 21:50

I should never have bothered with this I agree with everyone!

However if I had not found the will I would not have found the cousin. She has never met fiancé wants to build a relationship with her cousins son. I can't believe he has a relative who actually seems lovely.

I hope they can have work towards a good relationship then at least thinking about this was not all a total mistake.

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2bazookas · 20/08/2020 21:55

"
My brother is a solicitor and offered to fight it for free if I ever wanted to"

Then why are you asking complete strangers legal questions about it here? Presumably he's seen the Will; we haven't.

Why are you talking about having to PAY a solicitor for advice?

Why hasn't your solicitor brother offered you a free explanation and
free advice on what to do?

TitianaTitsling · 20/08/2020 22:15

@Thehouseofmarvels

I really appreciate all the advice. I guess with money even when you may have a right it's better to walk away if the other people are bullies.
Do you ever have a 'right' to someone else's money? Surely if the granny had wanted your df to have an inheritance it could have been done without the convulutions?
VodselForDinner · 20/08/2020 22:27

You sound like a complete and utter vulture.

I know we need to see a solicitor

“We” don’t need to do anything. It’s none of your business.

Your boyfriend’s grandmother died 8 years ago and now you’re trying to stake a claim for children you may have in the future?

That’s insane.

Searching her will online and contacting long lost relatives? Lunacy.

Malaya · 20/08/2020 23:07

Honestly, your posts are not showing you in a good light. You are coming across as very grabby. This is literally non of your business stay out of it.

Toohardtofindaproperusername · 20/08/2020 23:12

Where is your fiance in all of this. If anyone should coukd or will need to take this on, its him.... not you. Leave it be. Very curious about his position...and why you are licking it up as yours. It will destroy you and your relationship if you are not careful.

LadyMinerva · 20/08/2020 23:19

Perhaps you should spend your time, energy and money to find the missing sibling and make sure they are ok instead?

Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 23:56

@LadyMinerva

I'm going to do that. You are correct to say that and I will. I am unsure how to search for a missing person but I can learn. Thanks for the good advice.

The cousin I spoke to thinks R might know where missing sister is as the only contact she has with R Xmas cards and cousin says they are signed from all four children.

R claims not to know where missing sister is. Fiancé tried the Red Cross people finder thing, or Salvation Army I forget which. He asked R is she wanted to help him do the forms but she made it clear she was not interested and did not want to get involved- maybe she knows but won't say.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 23:58

As in signed by R from the four of her kids not actually signed by them. The theory being if she really didn't know where missing sister was she would sign it from three.

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Catsup · 20/08/2020 23:59

Well it's highly possible if S and R don't want to sell the house then that's why it's not been sold. It's also likely there's enough financial provision been made for J's care fees. Or S and R have made the decision to keep hold of the house until a time when J's money for care runs out, at which point they could sell the house and split the proceeds by 3rd. If there wasn't a financial provision made for J's care, then social services would likely have been involved to ensure that his 'share' was being made avaliable to him for his care. The bit about R's children (potential grandkids), also having a crack at the money is very unlikely as it's a house, not a pot of cash. And less direct descendants wouldn't be able to force S and R to sell unless they want to.

Thehouseofmarvels · 21/08/2020 00:04

@2bazookas

Sorry I should say my brother is a trainee solicitor not fully qualified as not done all the exams and not in that area. He has explained it but not to the level that a wills specialist could.

By pay I meant pay a specialist in that area. I would need additional advice from an actual trust specialist solicitor. but people have said forget it. So I will.

He meant he would be willing to teach himself the area to help me fight it. I'd still have to probably pay a specialist for some things.

As I have said I won't. People have said not too; I have my answer.

Someone said look for the missing sister; I'll do that instead and hopefully encourage a relationship between the cousin and fiancé.

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WiltedWillows · 21/08/2020 00:08

Gold digger

Thehouseofmarvels · 21/08/2020 00:10

@Catsup

No I think R would want the house sold, but is not a trustee. I think it won't get sold until J dies because that's in the will.

The cousin has told me that there is a huge legal battle been raging for 8 years between S and R. R's son in law is a multimillionaire; this has been fuelling it apparently as he pays R's legal fees. S legal fees are coming out of the estate. There could be nothing left in the end I guess. R hates S and used to bitch about her to my fiancé.

Anyway as it has been said I should stay out of it and look for the sister.

People have said I'm grabby and I'm sorry and have seen the error of my ways.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 21/08/2020 00:12

@WiltedWillows

Not any more have seen the error of my ways and will look for the missing sister which I think is a good thing.

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SleepingStandingUp · 21/08/2020 00:13

Honestly op given how much bad blood there is I wouldn't fight for a slice of the cake. Walk away and don't look back.

LadyMinerva · 21/08/2020 00:14

Way too harsh @wiltedwillows

OP has already said that she will take all opinions on board and will back away. And I understand where she is coming from. I would want to make sure my DP wasn't having the wool pulled over his eyes. Ans it would be me making the enquiries because he is too lazy and completely dependent on me to do everything!

marniedes · 21/08/2020 00:14

How long have you been with your fiancé? Sounds like a nightmare family

SleepingStandingUp · 21/08/2020 00:16

Perhaps you should spend your time, energy and money to find the missing sibling and make sure they are ok instead?
I'm going to do that. You are correct to say that and I will. I am unsure how to search for a missing person but I can learn. Thanks for the good advice.
Surely it's up to your fiance if he wants to fight for granny's money or find his sister. I really think your massively overstepping.
This isn't about you

TiddyTid · 21/08/2020 00:21

What's written in the Trust is what matters and Trustees have a duty to uphold the wishes of the Settlor (Gran).

AlexaShutUp · 21/08/2020 00:27

There is something very odd about this thread. I'm struggling to believe that you would do all that work - finding the will online, talking to your brother about it, contacting the long-lost cousin - and then just give up because MN told you to? Or have you just decided to search for the answers elsewhere because you didn't like hearing that everyone thought you were grabby?

FWIW, I agree with the other posters. This is not your battle to fight. If your fiance feels that he has been wronged in some way, then it's for him to follow it up.

GrumpyHoonMain · 21/08/2020 00:28

It doesn’t matter as of yet as your DF isn’t married and doesn’t have kids. When he does have a family the trust will allow him to apply for his inheritance - note that inheritances in trust may not be counted when you divorce. Just depends how the trust was written.

Thehouseofmarvels · 21/08/2020 00:28

@LadyMinerva

You got it right. I see why people thing I'm a gold digger but I never meant to be.

My brother is a trainee solicitor and said that it's fairly obvious that my fiancé is entitled to be part of the trust. To fully understand it I'd need a proper specialist. An expensive one. The will is badly written and contradict its self in one place.

Yes I would not want him to have the wool pulled over his eyes but on the other hand I know that they are a nightmare family and it's bad to get involved.

I'm young, 20 something so don't always know what's the best thing to do. That's why I'm asking for opinions and listening to them.

As for why fiancé can't do things like look for his sister himself he has tried with either the Red Cross or Salvation Army I forget which.

However he sort of struggles with mental health and a lot of every day things are difficult for him let alone finding his sister.

I just wish I could find her and tell him on Christmas Day I found his sister because I think that might be a present he would never forget.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 21/08/2020 00:30

@AlexaShutUp

No I will listen; I don't want to behave in a grabby way it's good to ask and see the general consensus is grabby. I'll forget it.

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AlexaShutUp · 21/08/2020 00:32

No I will listen; I don't want to behave in a grabby way it's good to ask and see the general consensus is grabby. I'll forget it.

Fair enough. Good decision.

Catsup · 21/08/2020 00:41

Ah! So the crux of the matter is your DB is a trainee solicitor, you've mentioned fiancé's gran having this house which has been left between three siblings, and DB stating surely fiancé is entitled to a slice of the financial pie? Unfortunately he is most unlikely to not be. Even if the house is sold, the proceeds will be split between R, S, & J (or whoever is still living at the time). As they have the direct claim. Your fiancé could try to stake a claim in his mum's money/house when she dies. But it'd be really expensive to contest her will, and if she was mentally competent at the time it was drawn up then frankly she can legally leave it to the next door's cat, or ask for it to be set on fire if she so chose (although either of those ideas would probably help his case!).

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