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Future MIL lied to fiancé about the contents of a will.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 16:06

So first off I know we need to see a solicitor; only not been because of the cost but hopefully we can in the future.

My fiancé's gran died in June 2012.

She had three children.

She wrote a will saying that fiancés mother R could live in her house as long as she moved in within 6 months of her mothers death and kept the house in good repair and insured. The idea was that R could visit her brother J in a care home. Fiancés aunt S is a trustee with a solicitor from a law firm. R hates S.

R did not want to live in the house. So visits for a few days a year but likes to have control over the place. She does not visit J. We suspect that the house is in a poor state. R is nearly 77 and also has a four bedroom house, in a poor state. I'm not sure how she will cope with two houses as she gets older.

My fiancé knew nothing much. That is grand house had never been sold and there were some lawyers involved.

My fiancé is recently estranged from R and long term estranged from every other relative apart from J. the entire family because they are mostly extremely abusive. Fiancé has a sibling who has never worked and lives with his mother. A sister who is married to a multimillionaire celebrity and a sister who went missing.

R told her son my fiancé the will and the house had nothing to do with him. She banned him from looking at the will. My mum read in an article that you can view wills online so I found it last year.

When J dies R looses the right to live there and the estate can be divided at any point with 80 years of the grans death.

We are hoping to have children soon who will be beneficiaries.

The trustees S and the lawyers never contacted my fiancé. If my mum had not read the article on how to find a will we would not have known anything.

What I wonder is why the trustees might have permitted R to visit the house once or twice a year when the will says that she must move in within six months and live there or the house must be ' held on trust' which I take to mean the trustees would take care of it.

These are my questions:

Can solicitors or trustees ignore what is written in a will or a trust document ?

Are trustees of a family trust obliged to make all beneficiaries of a trust aware of their interest or can they totally ignore beneficiaries, not tell them of the trust and not give them any money?

Fiancés mother is toxic. She has two favourite children and fiancé was a scape goat. When she dies I do suspect that my fiancé will be disinherited from his mothers estate. I wondered if his mum could have tried to make sure he never found out about the trust so more money would go to her favourite children.

I have heard from a distant relative I tracked down online that the family trustee S knows the house is falling into disrepair so imagine she must have told the solicitors. I have not spoken to the solicitors but I can't see how they would not know that R did not live there.

I suppose the trustee solicitors need to be contacted. From my description does it sound like the trustees could have acted improperly ? It is a concern they may charge hundreds of pounds just to speak to them.

I also wonder what will happen when R gets very old as J is about 20 years younger. People with downs are living so long these days that he may out live her.

I hope people will offer some thoughts which might help in working out how to approach.

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Blankblankblank · 20/08/2020 17:15

Sorry, I’m confused. If you’ve read the will what does it actually say about your fiancé getting an inheritance? I can just see that his mum,R, gets the house. His inheritance will come from R if his gran didn’t actually leave him anything in her will.
R could leave it all to the cats home if she chooses so you can’t rely on your hypothetical children benefitting at all if he hasn’t been named in his grans will.

Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 17:22

@Blankblankblank

The will says that R can live in the house as long as she moves in within six months and can only stay as long as J lives.

The trust owns the estate.

S inherits one third.

If the rest the trust decides which family member is the best person to inherit.

They can give everything to one person. Or divide in equally.

It may be this is a bit complex and I will just have to speak to just a solicitor but at least I have tried every avenue.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 17:24

@Blankblankblank

It's a bit like king Lear.

All The descendants of the testator can apply to the fund for money. You have to show why you are the one who should inherit. It's like a competition.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 17:30

I'll never know why his gran thought that giving a dysfunctional family full of estrangement a pot of money tied up in a trust to fight/ compete over was a good idea.

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RedHelenB · 20/08/2020 18:57

Ignore, ignore, ignore. If he is not named in the will then he won't inherit unless R dies intestate I suppose. Don't waste your head space with this toxic situation.

PotteringAlong · 20/08/2020 19:01

So he isn’t named in the estate?

Not your circus, not your monkeys.

LIZS · 20/08/2020 19:20

If R, J and S have inherited the house your fiance has no rights here. R can leave her share to whoever she chooses. You as a fiancee of R's son definitely have no say.

Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 19:37

He was not named in the estate.

It was stated that all the children of R and all the grandchildren of R have the same rights as R.

The gran wanted all of her descendants to have the right to apply for money from the trust.

It was a terribly written will and I'm not explaining it well I think.
Never mind better to see a solicitor.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 19:39

@LIZS

The house has been inherited by a trust. Not by Grabs children.

Rs inheritance rights are the same as those of my partner and any kids we have.

It's so complicated it as probably a mistake posting.. will save for legal advice.

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Sweettea1 · 20/08/2020 20:02

Why are you and your mum looking into this? Maybe his mum doesn't want you knowing for some reason🤔

Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 20:23

@Sweettea1

The will makes it clear that any children I have with my partner will be beneficiaries of the trust fund.

It also makes it clear that parents of beneficiaries under 18 need to represent their children's interests.

R would not want us to know as any claims we make would conflict with hers. So no she would not want us to know.

She's a bit of a trouble maker in general.

In the same will a very valuable painting of an very aristocratic Victorian ancestor was willed to a cousin of R. As in it became the legal property of the cousin.
I found the cousin online. She explained how R stole the painting from the house. R refused to give it back for a long time but she did in the end.. I suppose had she not the police would have been involved as it was theft. The cousin got the painting back but it has been deliberately damaged and cost 4 thousand pounds to repair. After what my partner had said about R I'm not remotely surprised at her stealing; I have never met her but he has made it clear she will steal if she thinks she can get away with it. We also suspect something of his was once deliberately damaged by her although we have no proof.

If R was a trustworthy person and had not told us about it the will it would be because it was not our business, but she is not trustworthy.

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ChicCroissant · 20/08/2020 20:27

But you don't have any children yet nor are you married to a beneficiary so it's nothing to do with you! You are just looking for points to score against his mother because you don't like her. This is the wrong thing to pick on.

Buttercupsandroses · 20/08/2020 20:30

I think the trust will award the money to the closest relatives the children not the grandchildren based on the wording

LIZS · 20/08/2020 20:35

If you have never met her are you sure everything you've heard is true? Were you already with df when his gran died? It is for your fiance to unravel, is there a reason he is not doing so. Have you met any of his family?

Sweettea1 · 20/08/2020 20:38

As some said above your not married an dont have children yet.so really us not your place to be looking up the will. Doesn't make sense either that xhildren an gran children have same rights as his mum surely they cant all just dip into the pot of money an take what they want when they want.

Etinox · 20/08/2020 20:39

Eugh. Stay out of it. Even if you were married and had dcs this is not a good look. But you don’t and you’re coming across as extremely greedy.

Chezacheza · 20/08/2020 20:43

Have you got the money to fight this in court as it will cost thousands. You will have to pay your solicitor and barrister up front.

The granny wanted you to fight over her money. This is what your doing.

Also stop searching for distant relatives to talk about his mum.

Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 20:53

@Sweettea1

No it does not make sense that they can dip into the same pot but they can.

However if posters here think it's better to just forget the whole thing and never think about it again I will.

Someone said it could be given to closet relatives.

It can't really be given to J because he is in a care home with Down's syndrome and I think they would take it to pay for his care.

S gets a third anyway but has no kids.

Two thirds was sort of supposed to be a trust fund for R and her children and grandchildren and could be given to whoever needed it. In some families there are trust funds so people can apply for money for specific things like housing and education.

Maybe better to just assume the two thirds will just be given to R. If people think it will go to the closest relative. That solves that mystery.

I'll assume she will get everything and forget it.

The money will most likely be shared with J dies and R will most likely be in her 80s or 90s. Best to expect that it will most likely be spend on care home fees by that stage. But that's life.

I guess you have all helped me realise I should just forget this forever more thanks Mumsnet :)

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 21:01

@Chezacheza

My brother is a solicitor and offered to fight it for free if I ever wanted to but someone said the two thirds set aside for R and family might all go to R as the closet relative. R is such a pain I doubt anyone will be wanting to nurse her so it may need to be handed over to a nursing home I suppose.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 21:12

If J lives longer than R, R will not live long enough to see that money divided. Given that J is 20 years younger this is very possible.

I suppose in that case it might be better to stay out of it and perhaps let the 'golden children' R's favourites have the lot of that is what will cause the least agro.

Annoying as one of the golden children is married to a multimillionaire but as people have given good advice to stay out of it no matter what and I think that's probably best.

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Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 21:15

I really appreciate all the advice. I guess with money even when you may have a right it's better to walk away if the other people are bullies.

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summerday1975 · 20/08/2020 21:20

What are you fighting in court specifically? I am sorry but this has nothing to do with you. Who owns what/who inherits what it’s not your business. You never met your future MIL but you don’t mind going to courts to get her inheritance...Sorry but my BIL ex girlfriend acted like this...terrible behavior. Thankfully not longer together.

Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 21:26

@LIZS

I have not met his family... his mum abused the non favourite children horrifically beating them and starving them. The other non favourite child went missing. One of the favourite children threw her out of the house. R allowed this. She was street homeless. We hope she found a life somewhere but maybe we will never know.

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BooFuckingHoo2 · 20/08/2020 21:26

I don’t understand why you feel so entitled to the money of a second generation relative of someone you’re not married to Confused

Thehouseofmarvels · 20/08/2020 21:31

@BooFuckingHoo2

Don't worry I'm going to forget get all about it. Ive learned my lesson.

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