New Georgia abortion ban

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What's your opinion? Georgia has made a new law where women cannot get an abortion if they are 6 weeks and over. And women who get abortions can be faced with prison sentences for doing so.

I am anti-abortion in the sense I don't agree that it should be used as a form of contraception, but for health reasons, rape, incest etc I have no issue with (I just feel that people should be more educated and careful with contraception)
I am venomously against this law. I think it is barbaric and will cause so much harm
There is no such thing as a ban on abortion only a ban on safe abortion I believe Jennifer worth said this

A particular type of religious ideology that says abortion is murder but the death penalty isn't.

Who cares what a religion thinks ? As long as it's not forced on the rest of us.

Believe what you will. Just don't tell me I have to do the same.

But I also care about the child being killed and never having a chance at life.

Which child? The 11 year old forced to carry and give birth to her rapist's baby? The 11 year old whose body is likely to be severely damaged by labour, who stands a much higher chance of dying in labour than a mature adult woman would? The 11 year old whose chance at life will be severely curtailed because of motherhood being enforced upon her?

Or the ball of cells that are just beginning to differentiate into the precursors of organs?

Not RFTF, but I am appalled by this law. I read one post on Reddit, where the poster commented that she is pregnant and found out very early on, before 6 weeks. She was unsure how she'd felt initially and said that if this law had been in place a few weeks ago, she'd 100% have booked into the nearest clinic for an abortion asap. She would have risked maybe regretting things in her determination not to go over the 6 weeks and be left with no choice. As she had a few more weeks to think and not rush into a hasty decision, she'd decided to keep the baby. I can see women rushing to get abortions they may not have had otherwise due to this law tbh.

What kind of repercussions will a man face? Ah yes. None

What kind of repercussions will a man face? Ah yes. None

All part of Gods plan ...

Also the only time that abortion is mentioned in the bible IIRC is when the old testament mandates that a woman should abort if she has been unfaithful.

There's also a mention of the punishment if someone injures a pregnant woman causing her to lose the foetus. Compensation should be paid to her husband/the family for the loss of their property. If a person who has actually been born is killed, the penalty is 'an eye for an eye'.

Life beginning at conception is a concept that was not used in biblical times, it's a more modern idea promoted by churches who encourage their faithful to have as many children as possible for their own political/financial/control purposes. So many biblical references to life beginning when 'breath' is given by God. It seems to odd to me that some religious groyps defend their forced birth position by claiming it is in the bible/God's will etc.

I am not against abortion but I do feel as though terminating for no medical reason at a higher gestation isn't (imo) right. I feel as though 6 weeks is too early though, as many women don't know until then.

My son was born at 25weeks and is a healthy boy now. And viability is 24weeks. So it makes me feel uncomfortable knowing abortion's can take place up to such a late gestation. It's a hard one really!

Isn't the Bible the one that says be nice to one another ?

No one has a late stage abortion for the heck of it or because they just changed their mind.

I'm so appalled by this law, and hope its successfully blocked. I can't marry up that in so many cases the same lawmakers who are so determined to retain their constitutional rights to firearms regardless of the associated loss of life are quite keen to strip women of basic bodily autonomy on a "pro- life" platform.

Perhaps if abortion is the worst possible outcome, worse than any mental or physical breakdown in an unwilling mother, people like @Pinkyyy might sorry compulsory vasectomies in all men (and older boys of course), to be reversed temporarily for the sole purpose of agreed procreation?

Since women have little choice in their fertility - other than using birth control options for which are being removed in many states - and have no control over when they ovulate, it's clearly necessary to prevent unwanted pregnancies by going direct to the source, and preventing those sperm from being emitted unless they're absolutely required. No?

The only good from this is men's further empowerment, more dead or damaged women and increased prisoner numbers for the state to spend money on. I am so sad for our sisters in the US. It takes my breath away how in the 21st century women are still so powerless and abused. And in the west. I hate people.

I am so sad for our sisters in the US

Things ain't much better in the UK, I'm afraid ...

What worries me is the miscarriage punishment part of this new law. If it is deemed that you caused an early miscarriage you will likely get 10-30 years in prison. For something you most likely have no control over.

How many women will be too scared to go to the dr when they start bleeding? As if the experience isn't upsetting enough. To be told by those who have no idea that you are somehow responsible is terrifying. Even the medical professionals say that there is no way to prove fault.

It's disgusting!

minion what’s the miscarriage part of the law? That really does sound like Gilead.

I read an article about it. I will see if I can find it.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/women-30-years-prison-miscarriage-georgia-abortion-2019-5

Hopefully that will work. It's not where I read it but it's the gist. It's based on a could happen rather than will. But equally as terrifying!

Thanks minion. I just read that, and from what I can ascertain on a Sunday night slightly jaded hungover brain, is that it is a way in which the law could be interpreted should the featus have “person” status and that feels incredibly scary. So it’s not enshrined in law and I think it would take a case to brought so those provisions could be tested.

How far back do men want to drag women’s rights? I could cry for my daughter.

In answer to what was discussed further up thread: abortion rates are about the same everywhere, regardless of the law.

This is utter despicable and terrifying that women can have bodily autonomy taken from them after fighting for the right to have it.

Living in Ireland I can relay a lot of stories as to the effect of having limited abortion rights and the threat of a prison sentence:

www.her.ie/news/in-her-shoes-the-powerful-new-platform-for-women-brutally-impacted-by-the-8th-393655

There isn't a so called prolifer in existence who actually cares about the life of the child born through forced birth will have. Not at all and no matter what they claim; they will just put the blinkers on believe it'll all be happy and ok. Mental or financial situation doesn't come into it as somehow it'll be sorted by anyone but definitely not the prolifer

Will women in Georgia, who are pregnant who discover their much wanted child has a fatal foetal abnormality will now have to continue months a pregnancy knowing they will have to go through labour and birth and their child won't live?

It's horrifying. It's not just going to encourage women to look elsewhere to end an unwanted pregnancy, women are going to put off seeing their HCP when they find out that they're pregnant, in case they have an early miscarriage.

And it's a particularly vile mindset that denies women bodily autonomy because of the belief that a tiny ball of cells is a life more important than theirs, yet condones carrying guns and condones the death penalty.

What makes me angry is that if the people promoting this law, and supporting it (like @Pinkyyy up thread) actually believed that foetuses were children and wanted to help them they wouldn't actually be putting all the effort into blocking abortion. They'd be promoting better protections for pregnant women, so they could keep their job and get decent maternity pay, or pushing for really strong child support laws, plus massively subsidised childcare and free medical care, to reduce the economic need for an abortion. And they'd be promoting better contraception - free condoms everywhere, good honest sex ed in schools, the morning after pill available on demand.

All of those things would reduce the abortion rate more than this legislation, with fewer maternal deaths along the way. But they don't give a toss about any of that. Which strongly indicates to me that the anti-abortion side aren't really that interested in the 'babies' they claim to be protecting.

They care about punishing women who have sex.

Pro-lifers do not give a fuck about the baby once it's out of the womb.

Not a single fuck do they give. Unless it's a girl and they can obsess about trying to control her body once she reaches puberty.

"They care about punishing women who have sex"
Yes, and not necessarily in the women who have sex are wicked way. But also that women who have sex must deal with the consequences. Women must also deal with the consequences when men have sex too, because men can't get pregnant so they don't even need to think about the consequences.

'Pro-lifers' make me feel uneasy. When they are young and female they depress me. Older and male, just make me feel sick.

That's my opinion, so I don't have to answer any questions on why I feel this.

@forestafantastica

Completely agree. I’ve got a swivel eyed pro-lifer in our extended family who will weep and cry for all the ‘lost children’

But ask him how many children he would be prepared to adopt or foster, or how many hours a week he would be prepared to spend volunteering with struggling families, if doing those things meant women went ahead with pregnancies instead of aborting.
Oh that’s a big fat zero on all counts.

It’s just a stick to beat women with for being selfish and feckless. None of them actually care about doing anything about it if it doesn’t involve direct or indirect harassment and abuse of women