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DS has been falsely accused of assaulting a woman at Uni - what can we do?

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RhythmNBooze · 25/01/2019 10:59

My head is all over the place and I don’t know where to even start with this. Probably going to be a long post as I want to get all the details down.

Got a phone call from 19 year old ds yesterday asking if he can come home for the weekend. He is in his 1st year at Uni. He said he’s been to see the welfare officer who has suggested it would be a good idea and said he would tell us why when he gets here. Dh picked him up from the station at 9pm so we’d spent the afternoon and evening wondering what the hell was going on. All sorts going through our minds – he’s got a girl pregnant, he’s ill, he’s gay etc.

Upshot of it is the following. He got a call from the welfare officer at Uni telling him to go to the office as the Police were there and wanted to talk to him. When he got there 2 police officers interviewed him (he thinks under caution) and he was video recorded. He was on his own. Wasn’t told he could have someone with him. He has been accused by a girl he had been seeing last term of assaulting her by pushing her. He denies it and says he wasn’t even at the place she says it happened. They told him to stay away from her and that if she reports anything else he could be arrested.
She has also asked the college to move him from his accommodation as his room is opposite his and she can see him. This is not true and he does not overlook her room.

Background to all this is that he started seeing her during freshers week. He thought they were ‘exclusive’ but she was getting off with other people when she knew he was there, usually at clubs. He says he confronted her about it a couple of times and admits he did shout at her. By the time the Xmas holidays came round he believed they were not together while he was upset he was coming to terms with it.
Last week he says he was walking back to his halls from a club with his mates and she was walking in front of him snogging another student. He admits he saw red as he thought she was doing it deliberately to wind him up and so he confronted her and shouted at her. Apparently he said some nasty things to her but he didn’t say what. The guy she was with pushed him away but he says he didn’t touch the girl. This week her friends have been saying to him that he has treated this girl really badly. He then gets the call about the police.

Of course I only have ds’ side of the story but he says he has tried to tell us everything in an unbiased way as possible and whilst I understand there are 2 sides to every story I believe ds when he says he has not physically assaulted this girl. He says he can prove he didn’t do what she has accused him of as he has witnesses to say he wasn’t with her and there are cctv cameras where she says the assault took place. He does admit to verbally abusing her at other times. We have told him that when he goes back he needs to completely blank this girl and not engage with her in any way. When he spoke to the welfare officer about it afterwards she advised the same.

My question is what else, if anything, can/should he do now about the fact she has falsely accused him of something. Should we do anything? Should he have been allowed to have the welfare officer with him when he was questioned? He is already upset that his experience of Uni has been tainted by this girl’s behaviour in the first term. I don’t want his whole Uni experience being affected by it. Can we put something in place that stops her from going near him?

Any advice gratefully received.

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AmICrazyorWhat2 · 25/01/2019 14:01

I think they have both been at fault and it would be a shame if it effects his future at Uni. It's best if they can avoid each other in future, he needs to learn to control his temper and she needs to learn to have more respect for other people's feelings.

I agree with this assessment, they've both been unpleasant and immature. He would benefit from anger management counselling to ensure this doesn't happen in the future.

Bluntness100 · 25/01/2019 14:05

Just to be clear whilst she may have believed his behaviour to be threatening at no point did he threaten her

Op are you playing semantics? You understand the difference between behaving in a threatening manner and actually threatening someone?

I understand you wish to protect him, but if you're behaving in real life as you are on this thread then you're doing the opposite, and it's only a matter of time, before he is arrested, whether it's this girl or the next.

Eliza9917 · 25/01/2019 14:08

I'd be pushing for the police to get the CCTV footage asap and then when/if it shows him to be telling the truth I'd be pushing for a prosecution against the girl, a restraining order and a public apology. As well as encouraging the police into a prosecution for wasting police time.

You can't go around making false allegations that have the potential to affect people for life.

As well as damaging every other real victims case.

Honeyroar · 25/01/2019 14:09

What does he say that he was shouting at her, if it wasn't threatening?? For the other guy to push your son away he must have been up close and being rude/personal/threatening... He's lost his temper, a few times by the sound of it, and stepped right out of line.

How can you have a restraining order anyway when they're both at the same uni? Likely as not going out to the same student nights etc. If he can't avoid her and hang out with other people, or ignore her when he does see her he'd be best changing universities.

If I were you I'd see if you can go with him and see the CCTV footage. It is the only thing that will show you what really happened.

I don't believe that he's the quiet, meek boy that doesn't get into arguments with people - you've not been out with him, how would you know? While this girl may not have treated him that well when they were together, his behaviour since has been awful. He's basically been having shouty toddler tantrums when he's seen her with other people. Why would she be doing it to make him jealous - if she wanted him it sounds like she could've had him.. He needs to grow up.

Callywalls · 25/01/2019 14:10

She wound him up - she was playing games with him, and unfortunately, he lost it and shouted at her - very WRONG of him when he should have just walked away, put it down to experience and thought "she's only been here a few weeks and is obviously just looking for a good time with lots of different boys - I'll keep well clear of her" I work with young people and emotions can run high but, yes, make sure the Uni know his side of it - he must learn from this to keep his emotions under better control and she must learn to have more respect for other people's feelings.

RiverTam · 25/01/2019 14:14

you are still minimizing his actions, OP. Your last post is actually quite shocking, the more so as you say you have 3 DDs. Would you tell them if they came home shaking because a man verbally abused her and she felt threatened that she's wrong, he wasn't threatening her, don't be silly? Jesus.

Urwotu8t · 25/01/2019 14:14

@eliza, lol!

Bluntness100 · 25/01/2019 14:16

Actually thats a valid point, why would she be trying to make him jenalous, it was him that wanted her not her that wanted him, the fact is it did make him jealous, but that's a very different thing, it doesn't mean she did it for this purpose. More she wasn't interested in him and was going about her business.

And it is also valid, that what do you mean op whilst she might have "believed" his behaviour to be threatening, what do you call shouting at someone, saying nasty things, and being verbally abusive numerous times if not threatening behaviour?

Nesssie · 25/01/2019 14:16

Jesus, he's 19 and had a drunken row with his ex girlfriend. He doesn't need therapy Hmm

if hes telling the truth, then shame on her for making this up. It happens. Women make up false allegations because they know they will be believed over the man. Hopefully the cctv will provide the proof and the police can look into prosecuting her for wasting police time.

In the meantime, he needs to stay away from her, and log any times she tries to contact him.

RiverTam · 25/01/2019 14:17

Women make up false allegations because they know they will be believed over the man

the incredibly low rate of conviction for rape would suggest that that's absolute fucking bullshit, Nesssie.

Nesssie · 25/01/2019 14:18

Bluntness100 because 19 year old girls at uni are not saints. Its very reasonable that she was acting in a way to make him jealous. Doesn't excuse him yelling at her though.

Mookatron · 25/01/2019 14:19

I want you to know, by the way OP, that I don't think your DS is a terrible person or a bully or whatever - I can totally see how his new and intense emotions would make him act the way he did.

BUT he needs to not minimise it, own it, and work on improving how he deals with his emotions. Really this could be an extremely good lesson for the rest of his life. But if he makes it about the 'evil jezebel' and not about himself, he's at risk of legitimising his own terrible behaviour.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 25/01/2019 14:21

This thread is mad in places - he's not going to grow up to be a stalker on the basis that he lost his shit one time!

Nesssie · 25/01/2019 14:22

RiverTam I never said that it would lead to a conviction. But in the media and society nowdays, if a woman accuses, she is believed. There have been a number of high profile cases recently. Evidence is needed before we start lynching this guy.

Bluntness100 · 25/01/2019 14:22

She wound him up - she was playing games with him

That's just ludicrous I went out with lots of boys at uni, and yes some of them really wanted a relationship and I didn't, when I said no, it was just a couple of snogs, I meant no, no means no, end of.

I was in no way duty bound to not snog anyone else in case that bloke saw, and if he'd started to verbally abuse me and shout at me because of it, then yes I'd bring the uni into it if it was as repeated as this

She said no, that's it, end of, he has no rights after this, and she doesn't have to make sure she doesn't snog someone where he might see or risk being verbally attacked.

Bluestitch · 25/01/2019 14:23

he's not going to grow up to be a stalker on the basis that he lost his shit one time!

It wasn't one time. He's acknowledged previous instances of verbal abuse against her.

Bluntness100 · 25/01/2019 14:24

This thread is mad in places - he's not going to grow up to be a stalker on the basis that he lost his shit one time!

But it wasn't one time, it was numerous times.

RiverTam · 25/01/2019 14:25

Nesssie that doesn't make sense. Women and girls are routinely not believed about sexual assault. And the number of 'high profile' cases is a drop in the dark compared to the number of actual rapes and sexual assaults, most of which either won't be reported (because the woman knows she won't be believed and she'll have her every action dragged through the courts while they try to pin it on her) or won't end up with a conviction.

And no-one is lynching him.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 25/01/2019 14:33

OP, when you say he was verbally abusive at other times, does that mean arguing in the clubs when he saw her snogging other boys when they were still a couple? Or does it mean going up to her after they broke up and yelling at her about what she did when they were together?
If it's the first, I can see how that happened - people (esp when drinking) make spur of the moment, stupid choices when they see their boyfriend/girlfriend cheating on them. If he was sober and hassling her in the street after they'd broken up, that is different.

RhythmNBooze · 25/01/2019 14:33

I am taking on board all comments.

I understand high emotions can take over and it is absolutely not ok for ds to be abusive but he did say they were both shouting at each other. I will ask him tonight exactly what was said by each of them.

The bit that is puzzling me is why she is accusing him of doing something at a time and place that he can (supposedly) prove he was nowhere near. Also why she is lying about the fact she can see his room from hers.

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Callywalls · 25/01/2019 14:35

Bluntness - but when she was getting off with other people in clubs he thought they were together - fair enough have a snog with him one night then the next with someone else, etc etc but he must have thought they were exclusive for some reason - did she make the situation clear to him? or was she enjoying stringing him along? She could have had a bit of tact and not snogged people right in front of him, surely its not acceptable to ride roughshod over people's feelings like that and rub it in his face. By Christmas he had got the message they were over and he should have ignored her instead of shouting at her but he is young and emotions run high - I'd hope this was a learning curve for both of them.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 25/01/2019 14:35

But in the media and society nowdays, if a woman accuses, she is believed.

Nesssie, that is utter, utter bullshit. Shame on you for perpetuating the tired old false accusation trope. Especially in this case when we know the OP's son has admitted harrassment.

greedygorb · 25/01/2019 14:36

Don't make him the victim here or it will minimize his behaviour. He has admitted to being verbally aggressive towards a female because he is jealous. He sounds very immature and not great when he's had a few. Tell him to lay off the booze, give him a lecture on appropriate behaviour towards women and tell him he's had a close escape. Even if she is making this up she could just have well reported him for his verbal abuse. If another man is pushing him off he can't have been behaving in a great way can he?

Bluestitch · 25/01/2019 14:37

The bit that is puzzling me is why she is accusing him of doing something at a time and place that he can (supposedly) prove he was nowhere near.

I thought he was there but says the bloke she was with pushed him but he didn't push her.

RhythmNBooze · 25/01/2019 14:42

I thought he was there but says the bloke she was with pushed him but he didn't push her
No, that happened the week before. She made the accusation afterwards about an incident that (according to ds) never took place.

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