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DS has been falsely accused of assaulting a woman at Uni - what can we do?

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RhythmNBooze · 25/01/2019 10:59

My head is all over the place and I don’t know where to even start with this. Probably going to be a long post as I want to get all the details down.

Got a phone call from 19 year old ds yesterday asking if he can come home for the weekend. He is in his 1st year at Uni. He said he’s been to see the welfare officer who has suggested it would be a good idea and said he would tell us why when he gets here. Dh picked him up from the station at 9pm so we’d spent the afternoon and evening wondering what the hell was going on. All sorts going through our minds – he’s got a girl pregnant, he’s ill, he’s gay etc.

Upshot of it is the following. He got a call from the welfare officer at Uni telling him to go to the office as the Police were there and wanted to talk to him. When he got there 2 police officers interviewed him (he thinks under caution) and he was video recorded. He was on his own. Wasn’t told he could have someone with him. He has been accused by a girl he had been seeing last term of assaulting her by pushing her. He denies it and says he wasn’t even at the place she says it happened. They told him to stay away from her and that if she reports anything else he could be arrested.
She has also asked the college to move him from his accommodation as his room is opposite his and she can see him. This is not true and he does not overlook her room.

Background to all this is that he started seeing her during freshers week. He thought they were ‘exclusive’ but she was getting off with other people when she knew he was there, usually at clubs. He says he confronted her about it a couple of times and admits he did shout at her. By the time the Xmas holidays came round he believed they were not together while he was upset he was coming to terms with it.
Last week he says he was walking back to his halls from a club with his mates and she was walking in front of him snogging another student. He admits he saw red as he thought she was doing it deliberately to wind him up and so he confronted her and shouted at her. Apparently he said some nasty things to her but he didn’t say what. The guy she was with pushed him away but he says he didn’t touch the girl. This week her friends have been saying to him that he has treated this girl really badly. He then gets the call about the police.

Of course I only have ds’ side of the story but he says he has tried to tell us everything in an unbiased way as possible and whilst I understand there are 2 sides to every story I believe ds when he says he has not physically assaulted this girl. He says he can prove he didn’t do what she has accused him of as he has witnesses to say he wasn’t with her and there are cctv cameras where she says the assault took place. He does admit to verbally abusing her at other times. We have told him that when he goes back he needs to completely blank this girl and not engage with her in any way. When he spoke to the welfare officer about it afterwards she advised the same.

My question is what else, if anything, can/should he do now about the fact she has falsely accused him of something. Should we do anything? Should he have been allowed to have the welfare officer with him when he was questioned? He is already upset that his experience of Uni has been tainted by this girl’s behaviour in the first term. I don’t want his whole Uni experience being affected by it. Can we put something in place that stops her from going near him?

Any advice gratefully received.

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Urwotu8t · 25/01/2019 13:21

And if he can't control his behaviour when he has been drinking maybe he shouldn't drink.

Bluntness100 · 25/01/2019 13:22

Not saying that's the case here, just agreeing with pp, women can -gulp- lie and exaggerate

What part of him admitting he has verbally abused her numerous times, used nasty words, and been physically aggressive/threatening to wards her makes you in some way feel she is to blame?

SoyDora · 25/01/2019 13:24

Not saying that's the case here, just agreeing with pp, women can -gulp- lie and exaggerate

Yes, some women can. And some men can. It’s a personality thing rather than something specific to a certain sex.

Silkie2 · 25/01/2019 13:25

This will hopefully just turn out to be a great learning curve - he needs to be cautious in his behaviour, no aggression for whatever reason as he has learned it can be turned against him. There are thousands of girls around FGS be sensible and just look for someone more suitable.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 25/01/2019 13:25

I would certainly make sure the Uni know his side of the story

What's that then, that she made him do it?

This times a million. The uni will not give a shiney shite about a fresher doing some random snogging. They will, however, care about said fresher's safety and hopefully do all they can to protect her from the verbal abuse and threats dished out by OP's son.

FFS have I entered some wormhole back to the 50s?

Bluestitch · 25/01/2019 13:25

Agree with Bluntness. This man has ADMITTED to threatening and verbally abusive behaviour and some are still trying to blame the woman involved. I actually think some people will never believe women unless everything is caught on film. Although even then they'll probably say it was edited to make the poor innocent man look bad Hmm

alimacardle · 25/01/2019 13:30

Bluntness 100

I never once justified the abuse of women in my reply - but just because he is male should we blame him for everything - imagine if it was the other way around and he had deliberately kept kissing and getting off with other women in front of her - what would you say then? Again, he would get all the blame.

Auntiepatricia · 25/01/2019 13:30

I think you need to have a really clear conversation with him about his behaviour. The fact that he shouted, said nasty things and ‘saw red’ is EXTREMLY worrying. I know how I and my DH and many people/men I know would react to being treated like he says she treated him and NONE of us would react with uncontrolled aggression. Your DSs behaviour is very worrying indeed.

Bluntness100 · 25/01/2019 13:31

My view is the police were just giving him a warning and he should heed it, that's why changing rooms is a good idea. What happens the next time he sees her and he's been drinking? He could end his uni career and lose his freedom right there, his resentment is going to be sky high.

I think the ops other worry will be what this girls parents are going to do. Unless she comes from a disinvolved family then it is likely they will step in to protect her, and that will involve them requesting safeguarding commitments from the uni.

If this was my son, I'd want him to move room as far away as possible and as quickly as possible.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 25/01/2019 13:34

If he was my son, I'd be getting legal advice. I wouldn't accept being moved from my accommodation over an unproven allegation of physical assault, esp if you can prove that they cannot see each other from their respective rooms. If she's said this in writing and it isn't true, that is evidence she lies and if she lies about that, what else is she lying about? He was wrong to yell at her, but that is not the same as physical assault and tbh I can see why he was pissed off - she behaved badly towards him and he got mad seeing her snog someone else in front of him. 19 is still young and so teenagers will do stupid things like cheat and yell. Fault on both sides imo.
I'd definitely want to know if he'd been formally cautioned - that has long term implications and I'd want to ascertain he'd had his legal rights met. I wouldn't necessarily trust the police to do that automatically. I'd want that CCTV footage of there was any chance this could go further.
But you have to nail him down and make sure that his version of events is absolutely truthful.
I don't hold with automatically believing a woman over a man - call me old school but I think actual evidence is important.

ReflectentMonatomism · 25/01/2019 13:34

I know it sounds like I'm minimising what happened but it's all so out of character.

In general terms, I love my students. My first year tutees are bright and smart and funny, and I would walk through fire for them.

That said, there are occasionally nice sheltered middle class boys (my sample is slanted by my subject, but it seems to be boys) who fall in with slightly flashier, slightly more confident boys and end up like a sixth form production of Swingers. They learn horrible attitudes from people who are often like some sort of single-sex boarding school stereotype, and affect hideous attitudes because they think it makes them cool.

Most of them get over it very quickly. A few don’t and are genuinely unpleasant.

Bluntness100 · 25/01/2019 13:35

imagine if it was the other way around and he had deliberately kept kissing and getting off with other women in front of her - what would you say then

You can't be serious? I'd say exactly what I'm saying now, that he had a right to snog whomever he wanted where ever he wanted, they weren't even boyfriend and girlfriend.

Thr fact he wished or thought them to be exclusive when she clearly didn't and was making that clear to him, does not mean she then can't snog other boys. How controlling would that be? 🙄

2019Dancerz · 25/01/2019 13:36

If she is capable of lying then so is he. What if she hadn’t reported him for pushing but for threatening aggressive behaviour? Because he has admitted to that. What would your response be then OP?
You can still support your son without supporting his actions.

Mookatron · 25/01/2019 13:38

It's not a question of blaming men for everything though is it alimacardle. If a man was getting off with other girls deliberately to wind another girl up I would think that unpleasant behaviour - but not abusive or prosecutable behaviour. And I would expect the girl to control herself. Provoking someone is arguably morally wrong but abusing/hitting someone is morally AND legally wrong.

Racecardriver · 25/01/2019 13:42

Tell him to not speak to police officers without a lawyer present in the future.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 25/01/2019 13:43

Tell him to not speak to police officers without a lawyer present in the future.

Also maybe tell him not to be the kind of angry, jealous, aggressive man who does the kind of things people call the police about?

Thesnobbymiddleclassone · 25/01/2019 13:44

What part of him admitting he has verbally abused her numerous times, used nasty words, and been physically aggressive/threatening to wards her makes you in some way feel she is to blame?

Yes flip that round though and we'd just call it an argument.

Urwotu8t · 25/01/2019 13:45

Alternatively tell him not to approach ex-girlfriends to shout abuse at them. That may reduce the liklihood for needing a lawyer.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 25/01/2019 13:49

Even if the son is not lying, he is purporting to be able to read this girl's mind - she is doing something which in most cases would be perfectly ok behaviour (snogging some other boys) but he has chosen to believe it is aimed at him, rather than simply because she wants to snog other boys.
I don't know why some posters are so ready to buy his interpretation of her motivation, given that he is clearly rather young and inexperienced and from the evidence of his behaviour as described by the op, not particularly mature - he doesn't sound to me like he would be the best judge of motivations.

RhythmNBooze · 25/01/2019 13:49

This man has ADMITTED to threatening and verbally abusive behaviour
physically aggressive/threatening to wards her
verbal abuse and threats
threatening and verbally abusive behaviour
Just to be clear whilst she may have believed his behaviour to be threatening at no point did he threaten her.

You can still support your son without supporting his actions
Yes, this.

Can I request a copy of the police interview recording?

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ZigZagZebras · 25/01/2019 13:53

You should look into some kind of therapy or course for him to nip this behaviour in the bud.
This level of anger and obsession over a girl he casually saw for a few weeks is a very worrying sign, wouldn't be surprised if it escalates into more intense stalking and abusive relationships if his way of thinking of women he likes as his possession doesn't get corrected.

Bluestitch · 25/01/2019 13:53

So what form did the verbal abuse take OP, and how do you know she didn't find it threatening? I would find being verbally abused by a man extremely threatening.

Tinty · 25/01/2019 13:56

This man has ADMITTED to threatening and verbally abusive behaviour physically aggressive/threatening to wards her, verbal abuse and threats threatening and verbally abusive behaviour.

Just to be clear whilst she may have believed his behaviour to be threatening at no point did he threaten her. So he told you.

Still minimising there OP. If I were you I would request a copy of the CCTV and tell my Son I had done so and ask if there was anything more he wanted to tell me.

What will you do if the CCTV shows that he did push her?

Urwotu8t · 25/01/2019 13:56

When you say she may have 'believed' his behaviour was threatening, do you mean she was mistaken, because when he drunkenly approached her to abuse in her face he didn't threaten her with violence?

Tinty · 25/01/2019 13:58

The guy she was with pushed him away but he says he didn’t touch the girl.

Why would he do this if your son was not aggressive and threatening?