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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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Guardsman18 · 04/12/2017 16:42

I have been reading this for some time now and have just caught up.

I want to tell you how pleased I am for you that your life is so good now - that's down to you. You are so strong. And still so young I think? My hat goes off to you for what you have achieved x.

FWIW I think that ss are not being quick with getting back to you is because they have no information about you! I remember a pp who was a nurse saying that - re your concern about being flagged at the hospital - they are not that 'on the ball'.

Duty ss saying that she is surprised that you referred yourself - I think you did the right thing though otherwise you would have been worrying all the time. They have no previous notes etc.

I am an adoptive mum. He was taken at birth to foster carers (after withdrawing from drugs) and ss tried many ways to get birth mother involved. She came to see him once and brought a blanket and that was it. Ss then arranged a farewell meeting but she didn't turn up. They did, I feel, try to do an awful lot for him and her.

I have tried to contact ss recently about my son and they said that no, she's retired, he no longer works there etc. For all they know, the adoption could be breaking down!

Sorry if I'm rambling but I just wanted you to know that my gut feeling is that everything will be fine and remember it is not for you to disclose information, it's for them to ask questions that they want answered - and if they don't, well that's great. Enjoy this lovely time xx

Hannah1x · 04/12/2017 21:29

All very true and relevant points you made Tired. The positives are definitely there, even if through my own fears i don't always focus on them and instead get worried about the negatives, the past. The good changes in my life are undeniable though and they must be able to see that.

I'm sorry your little boy had such a sad start to his life guardsman. It doesn't bare thinking about, an innocent baby going through something like that. Drug withdrawals. I'm so glad he was given a safe home and I'm glad you feel as though the services tried their best by his birth mum and of course him. I have a lot of respect for adoptive parents, although I didn't want my son to be taken from my care I can't tell you how pleased I am that he is part of a family who treat him as though he is their own and love him unconditionally. It's a big comfort.

Regarding the old files. Yeah I agree it's probably taken so long because as of yet they have absolutely nothing on paper about me.. I'm just dreading having to go through it all when they do read through the files from my last SW in my previous town.

Unfortunately (but understandably) I know they have to look into past documents to ascertain whether circumstances have changed, and why SS were concerned to begin with. If it wasn't for the blatant and unnecessary character assassination on myself in those files I wouldn't be at all worried about the assessment now.

They really did go to town on me social services, and I feel there was just no need to slam my character to the extent that they did - the concerns were there and undeniable. It feels as though they were just adding insult to injury.

The way the wrote about me still saddens me, they made me sound like the scum of the earth - even using the fact my mother didn't cope - against me. My mum has learning difficulties and I was somewhat neglected as a child, although never deliberately. My mum didn't have the mental capacity or provisions to parent me adequately so my childhood was a rocky one, that being said I was never taken into care and the same local authority that used my mother's lack of parenting skills against me - happily left me in her care. I was actually considered to be a 'young carer' who took on the responsible role in the household. Still, when it came to proceedings with my son the very same SS department used all of that historical information to demonstrate that there is no way I could be a good mother to my baby, I'd had no example of proper parenting they said.

Other things they wrote about me were things such as "Hannah took her son from the hospital when he was unfit for discharge, with no regard for his health and safety" when in reality he was deemed perfectly fit for discharge by the paediatrican who visited us on the ward that very morning. The only reason I couldn't leave was because they were going to court to remove him, but he was definitely fit for discharge otherwise how could they remove him themselves? It was a blatant twist of the truth on their part - so unnecessary and spiteful. I counteracted their accusation in court but have no idea whether that was rectified on paper or not - so I will probably have to defend myself against that untruth all over again.

When I was in the hospital giving birth the social worker wrote that she could smell vodka and queried whether I had been drinking! The midwives had to point out that actually it was hand sanitisor from a dispenser on the wall (you ladies will know the ones I mean-they do actually smell like alcohol tbh) but common sense should have prevailed there. They were quick to assume the worst.

Alcohol was never a concern with me nor have I ever been a drinker. Especially never when carrying a baby. Never would I ever. And in labour too? Hmm

I could go on forever about the things they said to discredit me as a person, even being as petty as to say that whilst I was bathing my son at a contact centre i came across as "scared to get water splashed on me" which was absolutely ridiculous. I had my every movement scrutinised unfairly. My contact reports from the contact coordinators at the centre's were great, always commenting on the bond we had formed and how gentle and patient I was with him - but the social workers reports were always full of slights and petty criticisms. Never highlighting anything positive whatsoever. I was a new teenage mum trying my best to learn everything over 2 short 90 min contact a week with no guidance or support but they flamed my lack of experience constantly. Doesn't every new mum need to learn as she goes along? For what it's worth even my son's foster carer said I was great with him and should have been given a chance (I would attend his medical appointments with her) and she herself was totally against the social workers projections of me.

As unbelievable as this next part sounds, I swear it's the truth. During one contact session i was taking photos of me and my little boy on a digital camera so i had memories of our time together, when I looked back at the photos I had coincidentally caught the SW in the photo scowling at me, giving me a look of disgust
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I still have this photo and would post it if it didn't mean revealing mine and my son's identities. They really did take a disliking to me from the word go and that shone through in every report they wrote. My contact days were continually changed last minute, I always made it and never missed one but they made it really hard. I didn't drive and they'd decide last minute on the morning that it was going to be at a different contact centre miles away - it went on and on. I had some contact sessions rearranged without even telling me so when i arrived to see my baby on the agreed days I was told he isn't coming and I had to ring them and find out when I could next see him. It was a constant battle to work with them and was heartbreaking.

I don't know why they were so hard on me, I know my son's safety was always the priority but I also know I'm not being paranoid when I look back and hold the opinion that they were biased against me from the start.

The list of things they said to discredit me and make me look bad goes on and on, I just thought I would give a slight insight as to why I'm as on edge as I am about their previous reports being gone through - because much of it was out of line and uncalled for.

I hope more than anything that my new social worker looks at my case with a fresh pair of eyes. I will always acknowledge the risks my son were at, I cannot and would not ever deny those - but to wade through the ridiculous character assasinations on myself is going to be the hardest and most trying part because naturally professionals are more inclined to believe the point of views of other professionals, aren't they? X

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TiredOfThisAll · 04/12/2017 22:28

Wow, that is awful. Court proceedings are adversarial and often one side demolishes the other, but they had a duty of care to you as well.
I think it is good that you have written it down - copy and paste it into a Word document for your own records as it will help you process it.

Two things

I was reflecting on this thread and I wonder how identifiable you are from it. I would obviously not have a clue who you are, but people involved might. If you are worried about that, it might be a good idea to save it for yourself and ask MN to delete it.

The second thing is whether you have had counselling for what happened. It all sounds very traumatic and having a baby will bring lots of things back. I am sorry if I have missed you saying this. I think a counsellor with a good understanding of abuse and trauma would be invaluable in the next few months. Not that you have to do over everything, but if you get triggered, they will be able to help with strategies to cope.

I am really sorry you did not meet with more sympathy and support in the past. I hope this time round it is different

Hannah1x · 04/12/2017 22:37

I did wonder the same Tired. My case is quite unique and people who know me have heard it, or at least heard of it. That being said, I don't mind too much - my conscience is clear as far as being judged by people who know me goes.. and I do find your ladies advice and support priceless. It's a sort of therapy in itself being able to document and discuss my situation :-)

When I've been concerned or worries have crept up I've often come back here just to re-read some of the replies I've received from everybody here.

I'm open to professional counselling though of course. I wouldn't rule it out as I know talking over things can be of comfort if not a total healer x

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Domani · 05/12/2017 11:50

That was brave of you Hannah,to give us some insight on what you were up against. You're not unique, we have very similar reports, even down to reporting my dh had long term mental ill health. He's never had mental ill health! I tend not to tell people about the inaccurate reports on here because I'm usually not believed. Hannah, if you have any written evidence against the innacuracies it may be helpful to take them with you to the appointment. Try not to worry too much, it may even be that the records have gone missing. I continue to wish you good luck, i know what you're going through. I'm so hoping that this time you get a good and fair sw, there are some excellent ones because I've had those too. Flowers

Hannah1x · 05/12/2017 12:45

That's so coincidental you should say that because that's another thing they said about me at the start! The social worker wrote that I had "deeply entrenched mental health issues" despite me never being diagnosed with any such thing.

I opposed it and said in a letter to the court that if they were going to make such statements then it's only right they show evidence to support this as I had never been known to any mental health services whatsoever.

They couldn't argue with that and the judge agreed with me on that one. Much to my relief.

Wow I can't believe that x

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TiredOfThisAll · 05/12/2017 13:36

Taking what evidence you have is a good idea, even if you don’t need it. It will reassure you.

My xH brought up fictitious mental health issues in court against me, the judge did not buy that either, but it seems a common tactic and it is stigmatising of people with mental health needs. You may genuinely need to seek support for anxiety around all this when the baby is born and you should not be deterred from doing so.

Hannah1x · 05/12/2017 14:08

In all honesty I do think I need support for anxiety, but as is to be expected I'm reluctant to go anywhere with it incase it's used against me this time.

I'll see what happens on the 14th and go from there.

I mean anxiety doesn't make you an incapable parent, but I guess they could use that along the lines of "mental health problems" x

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WellThisIsShit · 05/12/2017 17:58

I know what you mean, it’s so hard to protect yourself against such unfair and unfounded accusations... but the trouble is that someone determined can twist anything and everything into nasty accusations, so you cannot spend all your efforts in predicting it all.

I do however think the old ‘she’s unstable she is’ accusations have been thrown around from time immemorial and I’m not quite sure what to suggest about it. Clearly you can be a wonderful mother and also have things like anxiety. But I do sadly think that an unprofessional person could try and twist it. But then again, you don’t know that you’ll run across someone so unprofessional and biased this time, and you also don’t know that they’ll be listened to, even if there was such a person.

I think you have to consider how bad your anxiety is right now, and let that lead you to a decision.

Hope you’re doing ok today.

Domani · 06/12/2017 03:22

Hannah, I do think you're right to wait till at least the 14th to get some feel about the situation. Thinking back on it now, I think my advice to go to new gp with anxiety was wrong, under the circumstances. Still go to gp but for another reason, maybe just not sleeping or something. You do need to get your face known there because ss will most likely ask gp for input. Until the 14th you could use us and dp as your anxiety buffers. I do know how you feel about the reports, they are gut wrenching. Ours were years ago and we still don't sleep well which is why some of my posts are in the middle of the night. You're being so brave, keep going, only one week and a day to go. Cake Brew

TiredOfThisAll · 06/12/2017 06:57

Hi again,
Where I am, you can self-refer to the Community Medical Centre for CBT, and the GP simply gives you the information about this. The waiting time here is 8-10 weeks.

For anxiety, CBT would be the first port of call. It teaches you strategies to manage your thoughts (and you can download apps to help you do this, where you journal these and the app goes through a series of stages to help you think about a situation in a different way).

Lots of people do CBT and function quite well. It is not a counselling or therapy service though, and would not deal with underlying trauma. It is questionable whether dealing with underlying trauma when you have a new baby is what you want (although at some point, it will help you move on with your life, I think). But probably worthwhile having strategies to deal with anxiety in place.

Do you feel you can ask your midwife about a CBT referral or if she has advice about strategies for dealing with anxiety? You do not have to call it anxiety, just worries about what happened before and going through it again, plus you want to be able to look after the new baby as best you can. You can just say someone you know recommended CBT, so you are asking. Being proactive about your health is a good thing.

That would be my starting point, having done CBT myself. I do have a therapist now and she has been clear to make a distinction between mental health issues and a response to trauma. Having a normal response to traumatic circumstances (which you are now brought back face to face with) does not make you mentally ill - you have already showed a great deal of strength and resilience to get where you are now. It is perfectly normal for the SS assessment and the process of having a baby itself to trigger anxiety. If you can understand and believe that, it will hopefully take some of the fear away.

That apart, one in four new mothers suffer some kind of anxiety or depression after baby arrives, so it makes sense to have strategies in place. My CBT therapist introduced me to meditation, which I found helpful; also exercise gets you out and breaks anxious thought patterns. There are self-help resources on the NHS webpages as well I think. I also like Tara Brach’s podcasts, google her webpages, her meditations and talks are good.

There are lots of resources out there, and you should look after your mind as much as you look after your body.

(Avoid Calm Clinic if you google, they are a scam).

Also, I find journaling good for processing things.

Hope some of that is helpful; you will get there Flowers

TiredOfThisAll · 06/12/2017 07:02

I just want to add that my therapist now is not through the NHS; you can get help through third sector agencies or privately if it comes to a time you want to think about it. Then it is less intrusive and won’t show up anywhere unless you disclose it.

TiredOfThisAll · 06/12/2017 07:04

Argh, that is not clear at allBlush

I did CBT a few years ago. NHS.

I have a therapist now for underlying issues. This is not the NHS.

Hopefully my post makes sense!

newdaylight · 06/12/2017 07:14

Other things they wrote about me were things such as "Hannah took her son from the hospital when he was unfit for discharge, with no regard for his health and safety" when in reality he was deemed perfectly fit for discharge by the paediatrican who visited us on the ward that very morning. The only reason I couldn't leave was because they were going to court to remove him
Which means he was unfit for discharge. Being fit for discharge relies on more than just being medically fit. It's a specific definition, so in this case they were right.

Ceto · 06/12/2017 07:15

Ian Josephs is an utter menace and the advice he gives is incredibly dangerous. One of the best things you did was to decide not to follow it.

Domani · 06/12/2017 07:37

Tired, your post does make sense and good advice. I will look into that for myself and my dh Smile However, it is still a worry for Hannah because even it's not classed as mental ill health, it could be twisted into that. As I understand it (I may be wrong) all therapists and counsellors have a duty to inform ss where children/babies are involved. The self help Web pages sound ideal for Hannah though, hopefully she could look into that. It is a dilemma because as you say she does need to look after her mind as well ss body.

Domani · 06/12/2017 07:41

newday, are you a sw? (hope you don't mind me asking)

Domani · 06/12/2017 08:19

NewDay, Hannah did have the right to take ds from the hospital because "they were going to court to remove him". Therefore the court order was not yet in place. Obviously if the order had been in place, Hannah would likely have complied.

TiredOfThisAll · 06/12/2017 08:48

Only if the child’s welfare is at risk domani - you get a confidentiality agreement at the start. My therapist has never contacted SS although there has been SS involvement due to xH. Neither did the CBT person which was before the issues arose.

SS did, however, contact my GP.

I honestly think the best person to speak to is the midwife in this case, as she sounds already supportive.

TiredOfThisAll · 06/12/2017 08:50

newday it is probably not helpful to chew over the rights and wrongs of what happened previously; Hannah is asking for support now

Domani · 06/12/2017 09:40

But Tired, the therapy would be classed as child/baby at risk because of the reasons for anxiety. If Hannah kept quiet about ss assessments and files that she is anxious about, she wouldn't have the full benefit of the therapy, would she? Sorry if I'm just being thick here.

Hannah1x · 06/12/2017 11:36

Hi all

Thanks for your info about CBT and therapy. I've heard good things about CBT from others who have had it themselves. I've made a note of the part which says

"clear to make a distinction between mental health issues and a response to trauma. Having a normal response to traumatic circumstances (which you are now brought back face to face with) does not make you mentally ill" - that is a very good point and true statement that I intend to repeat if the need arrises.

I think I'll sit on this a while longer, if the social worker feels I need to access therapy then I'll do it asap, but I am managing quite well at the mo (despite being worried of course but that's natural)

Regarding my son and the hospital. No, their info was incorrect. They wasn't saying he was unsafe to be removed from the hospital they were saying unfit - as in, hasn't had all of his nessicary health checks in order to be deemed fit for discharge. Their mitigation was health based, not at all to do with the fact he was (in their words) "unfit" to 'leave' the hospital.

I specifically asked the paediatrican if he was fit to leave the hospital and was told yes he has had all his checks he is in good health. That is when I took him. He was given the all clear. I would never in a million years have taken him against MEDICAL advice. Social services wanting him to stay in the hospital so they could take him into care was a different matter- so no, their information was not correct. He wasn't medically unfit for discharge. Though if they were referring to the situation other than his health (which they wasn't) you could be correct NewDay.

Hope I don't sound too snappy, just wanted to point out that when they made this accusation they made it solely on his health and the fact they were claiming he wasn't physically ready to leave the hospital - when he was

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Hannah1x · 06/12/2017 12:28

And yes definitely what Domani said.

I wouldn't have taken him if a court order was in place as I never disobeyed anything set to me by the courts. At the point of taking him I still had full PR, and medical clearance from the paediatrican. Had the order already been granted I would have been arrested for abduction/kidnap.

I did however, quickly back track after being away from the hospital and we returned. It was a momentary lapse of common sense to take him if I'm honest, I panicked - but as far as his health goes he was perfectly fit and healthy (that's the part they wrote falsely)

Again sorry if I seemed defensive x

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Hannah1x · 06/12/2017 12:39

Regarding Ian Joseph's,

I do agree I was right not to approach him or intake his online advice this time. With my first son I was very much still in the fog and saw SS as the enemy, this time around after alot of reflection I don't see that to be the case. I've grown to realise and acknowledge alot of the risks my son was at, and accept them.

I have more faith (albeit admittedly not total) that for the most part SS want to help and not hinder. I think due to the fact i drew the short straw where my last SW was concerned, it was easy for me to latch onto some of the things he says and take them as gospel.

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TiredOfThisAll · 06/12/2017 13:30

The child would only be judged at risk if the therapist believed they were at risk now; whereas Hannah is not in a situation which causes risk; she has had to refer to SS because of a past situation, not because of concerns now. That is the difference I am trying to be clear about. Her current situation is not a risk to her unborn child. The only reason SS are involved is because of the past situation. The reason for the therapy would be to discuss past/current anxieties, in itself a protective measure for Hannah and her baby should she need it.

Anxiety itself is not a reason to refer a parent to SS, otherwise they would be inundated.

But anyway, Hannah sounds like she has a sensible plan, so I am going to let that be. The main thing is to get through the SS meeting next week and see how things go Hannah.

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