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Mistakes on Dads Headstone :( my consumer rights please.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 02/02/2014 22:50

Long story sorry and obviously very emotive subject. Appointed a local stonemason to do dads headstone last summer. Found him from the outset quite prickly in a 'doesn't suffer fools gladly' impatient sort of way . Wish l had got rid then but too late now obviously. Firstly he wrote down a few suggested (by him) standard stuff 'In Loving Memory of ..' etc and got my dads details and d.o.b. / d.o.d. etc off me. This was in the cemetery where we decided where grave was going and he was to liaise with priest etc.

I got home and sat down and decided on exact words l wanted on headstone and sent him an email with a document attached showing this. I wanted 'Cherished Memories instead of 'Loving memory of' for example. I went into a lot of detail about font required etc and asked him to let me know if anything was impractical/impossible /whatever and l would go back to drawing board.

He didn't answer me (has never answered/acknowledged any emails from me , ever , even though his idea to communicate this way) so l thought maybe l had read his email address wrong and as he had written part of it in capitols l even tried it with capital letters Hmm (not a techie me ! ). Still no answer so I rang him. He was quite short with me and said among other brusque statements that 'Everyone knows that email addresses are always in small case !' as if to scold me for emailing him twice. He also said that there 'was nothing wrong with the words HE had suggested' Confused
You have probably guessed by now but I am not assertive and you are probably thinking l should've got rid by that point.
So four months ago he sent me the final bill (I had already paid £300 deposit upfront for his layout for memorial itself and plot etc ) and a photograph of the memorial. I was so upset , it was wrong in so many ways and different to what I had stipulated.
It was in a different colour writing to what we had agreed (verbally during a phone call , so no record) , it was in all capitals but the first letter of every word was a larger capital iyswim (I had written out my template in lower case with a capital letter at start of every word and also written in body of email that I wanted lower case except for first letter of every word and also l wanted a prose excerpt on the vase to be all in lower case italics if possible or just lower case if not with a .... at the beginning and end to signify a partial excerpt iyswim.
But no , it was ALL IN BIG SHOUTY CAPITALS.
Also one word out of the whole headstone was done in a different font pattern to all the others i.e. the word 'of' was written like so : 'oF' with the capital letter at end of the word instead of the beginning like all the others. There was also an unnecessary and grammatically incorrect and unasked for random comma in the middle of the excerpt.
So I rang him and it was a horrible conversation , he quickly became dismissive and arsey and made comments like 'But it looks alright in that colour, there's nothing wrong with it' and ended by saying ' I think you're being a bit over fussy tbh' . I pointed out in one of my rare moments of assertiveness that 'this is my dads permanent memorial , not a bloody note to the milkman!'
So came off phone and sent him a very restrained ( in circs ) email saying I could live with the wrong colour paint (I can't prove that I asked for different anyway) and that I could even live with the smaller capital letters instead of lower case but could not live with the rogue comma and the capital letter at the end of 'oF' and wanted it changing to capital O followed by smaller capital F to be in keeping with all the other words ! Both these minor corrections requested were at the end of a line so presumably easier to correct.
So I was more than reasonable I feel and met him more than halfway. Four months later (on Friday) having had no reply to that email ! DH and I went to see him at his workshop. DH arranged that by phone , as I don't want to speak to him anymore by this time :( .

He wouldn't budge basically and offered us our money back for deposit minus what he had paid out for plot etc so we could 'go elsewhere'. He admitted I had asked for lower case at one point but insisted the 'oF' was correct and the 'way we do it in the business' (rubbish - we've looked all round cemetery not one 'oF' to be seen!) The only thing he would budge on is agreeing to fill in and black out the comma.
So worn out by it all I agreed ( Iknow, I know!)and also because my dad is supposedly being interred on Friday , all arranged so was panicking.
But now I am thinking I just want my money back and start again because it's dawned on me over the weekend that we can inter dads ashes as planned and sort out a headstone later instead of 'making do'. He is going to go ape this chap isn't he now when I ring him tomorrow . He may even refuse to give me money back now as I've had my chance ! Also I could look like the culprit now as we shook hands on going ahead with just the comma removed.

Help :(

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 03/02/2014 19:28

I hope it is the latter.

Bahhhhhumbug · 03/02/2014 19:33

Thank you , so do I . But in a strange way the more ignorant and rude he is with me the more I am half hoping it does go to small claims. I wonder if there's a stonemasons society of some kind ? I really want to call him on his behaviour and eight months of hassle and I am back to square one (and that's only if he will still give me my money back!)

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Bahhhhhumbug · 03/02/2014 19:34

as eight months of hassle - even

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Oldandcobwebby · 03/02/2014 19:40

Is he a member of NAMM, the National Association of Memorial Masons? If so, they would be a good point of contact. If it is a council cemetery, speak to the cemetery manager, who would help you deal with this. I suspect your mason is a thorn in the side of the cemetery's owners. Many council have an approved lists of masons who are allowed to work in the cemetery. Masons can get banned.

starfishmummy · 03/02/2014 19:45

We had problems with the headstone on Mum and Dad's grave - firstly with Mum's inscription and then with Dad's. ( I will gloss over the debacle of the undertakers forgetting whch mason they had sent it to!!)

Both times the masons rectified the errors immediately

Bahhhhhumbug · 03/02/2014 20:03

I will look into that Oldandcobwebby but he works from a workshop at his home and I think is a one man band and there is nothing to say he is a member of anything on his paperwork. There's a thought - they might have chucked him out ! so will make enquiries. The cemetery is a catholic one owned by the local catholic church I think. Certainly the planning fee and fee for the plot had to be paid to the priest there and permission/approval sought from him.

Good starfish that's how it should be. I can only dread to think what effect this chap might have on some grieving relatives and I really think he needs to be dragged over coals about it and improve his customer service. Trouble is with a one man band , who do you complain to ! ? Actually the old priest has just retired , I might see what the new one is like and if he isn't too 'hellfire and brimstone' might have a word with him - he might keep an eye on him then.

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differentnameforthis · 04/02/2014 02:19

Bahhhhhumbug Fair enough re your dh.

I hope you get it all sorted!

Bahhhhhumbug · 05/02/2014 20:45

Thanks differentname.

Update: Sent him a text Monday morning as you read upthread and still no reply ! God he is a rude ignorant fecker ! Shall give him till next Monday for cheque or response to land on my mat then it's small claims , for me.

I think either way I am going to appoint these other 'nice' stonemasons instead of waiting for money back or waiting to go through small claims process. I have temporarily cancelled dads internment on Friday as the priest who did his funeral was going to oversee this aswell (for those of you not familiar with catholic faith this is about the only ceremony in the faith that doesn't last three hours Grin and is just a few brief words and a blessing by the priest as the ashes are dropped in. Unfortunately the priest l was going to use has had a minor stroke and is recuperating till end of Feb so will delay till then. Priest did a lovely service for dad and he is a very modern priest which when you are a lapsed catholic as I am is what you want really or otherwise you get grilled about why you don't attend church anymore etc etc.

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