IVF warriors - the journey continues 2

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Hi @Honeybunie I’m sorry I thought I’d replied to your message but just realised I hadn’t. My brother was visiting from the States last week so everything’s been a bit hectic!
I’m sorry to hear you’ve been poorly, there’s a lot of it around it seems. Glad you’re feeling better. My brother texted yesterday to say that he thought he had Covid which sent me into a panic as I spent a lot of time with him over the weekend 😂 Anyway fortunately he tested negative and is feeling better so that was good news! Covid is one more bump in the road that I don’t need ☺️
So it’s your scratch on Fri and your meds on Sun, that’s brilliant news, not long at all now. Hope it all goes well on Fri.

I had my lining scan on Sunday (day 9). It was 7.8, described as trilaminar and no fluid or anything like that. I did have a follicle on my right ovary though which I thought might scupper things, but my doctor said everything looked good and she was happy to go ahead with transfer next Tues 31st 🎃
I questioned it as I’d been doing some googling 🤦‍♀️ in between having the scan and then getting her feedback but she explained her reasoning to me and I feel like it’s ok to go ahead with it. So I’m starting the progesterone tomorrow and then flying out on Monday morning all being well.

I think the hysteroscopy would just be to double check that everything is ok with my c section scar and there are no other issues. Apparently it can see things that a 3D scan can’t see? It’s a tricky one but I think I’m just going to forget about it for now and then worry about it or not, after this transfer. One day at a time is my new mantra! Xx

Hope it all goes ok with your scratch today @Honeybunie - currently sitting waiting for hubby to provide a sample for a second fragmentation test lol. And @KLM25 I can't believe how quick that's come around for your next transfer!

@seekingbabyk I know, neither can I! It’s been so quick. I’m hoping that’s not a bad thing ☺️ I haven’t had much of a break from the meds, but I’m feeling ok. Plus I realised not long ago that I had 3 boxes of Lubion injections that were due to expire at the end of Nov, so given the cost of them 🤦‍♀️ I was quite keen to use them up! Thankfully everything has gone to plan so far, as you never know what’s going to happen next do you? 😏
Hope your husband’s results come back quickly. Sounds like they’re double checking everything which can only be a good thing.
How’s the house reno going? Sorry for losing track a little bit but are you having another egg collection this year? Mind you having said that, it’s not long until Christmas now I suppose. Hope all is going well anyway.

@Honeybunie Hope all went well yesterday with your scratch. You’ll have to report back as I’ve never had one, so I’m curious to know what it’s like. Think you’re starting your meds tomorrow, that’s brilliant news x

@KLM25 sometimes it's just fate isn't it and I always think there are little signs things are meant to be like your meds!

Yes we moved in last weekend mid renovation. Been running back and forth to my mums for showers but should have a working bathroom later today which will be a real luxury! Over the next few weeks we have a lot going on so hopefully will be a lot more finished by end of November.

Hubbys second test was 3 months after taking a load of supplements and lifestyle changes. They are suggesting a possibility of going in to retrieve sperm if there is still fragmentation there. Not sure how he feels about that but we'll see what results he gets. The plan is currently to start the next round with my next cycle around mid November. Its such a tricky situation because of the house Reno I feel 50% like we should wait til after Christmas so it's not as much going on but the other 50% is thinking let's do it, get it out of the way, etc. im on month 4 of the supplements now and could really do with them being over. We are kind of leaving it to fate too, if the stars align and like your transfer it all just clicks into place we will go for it but if they start talking about hubby having an op, etc we might postpone for now x

@KLM25 wow I also can't believe how quickly your next transfer is coming around. It's nice that you can start with the next cycle straight away and not lose any time. I wish I had that. With my clinic and long protocols I feel like I'm starting to grow grey hair lol. I also had two thing since yesterday that really made me question my clinic's competence or how organise they are. First, they gave me too little estrogen tablets in my meds bag. luckily i questioned it with the nurse, she went away and came back and said oh yeah let's take double that 😱if i hadn't paid attention they would have me on the low dose, with which we had to abandon my first mediated cycle last year. and then they threw norethistrone into my meds bag as well. I only spotted it at home. so i called this morning, as the nurse did not mention it yesterday nor told me when to use it. so this morning they said it was a mistake and i don't need it. i was like wow. what a waste of money (for the NHS since they fund all this). crazy..
anyway amazing your lining was already 7.8 and looking good! and no fluid! very good! oh so you might have a follicle release an egg as well? interesting that they are happy to go ahead. but yeah what difference would it make anyway. there is no sperm to fertilise it anyway right.

Well the endo scratch was the most hottific thing I've had done so far! if I was to have it done again, I'd ask for sedation! they didn't really tell me it would hurt that much. I don't know if that was on purpose. she basically said it would only hurt like period pain when the tube goes up the mouth of the womb, not the scratching itself. so i didn't expect much and have a very good pain threshold normally. then she started going mental in there with her brush or whatever it was and the pain OMG i broke out in cold sweat, was hyperventilating and then i saw stars and the lights nearly went out. i was like eehhmmm guys 👋 I'm about to faint over here. she said she's doing it as quick as she can, because the quicker she does it the faster the pain wears off again. it was crazy. when you hear scratch you think it'll be some small incisions, but she had a good old scrub down there I tell you! horrible...
so my baseline scan is on 15th november. that's almost three weeks. I didn't think it would drag that long. only after that I'll have a day 11 scan and then transfer few days later, so it looks more like early December now. We've booked a weekend away with OH's girls and my sister, I thought we'd be done by then. Be shit if it collided, as his girls don't know anything about it. Oh well nothing I can do and hopefully it won't be that weekend.. it is wha it is.
so yes starting the buseriline injections tomorrow. I have veils that last me 41 days! i didnt question that as well.. and they said yeah yeah just take it until we tell you to stop it. i was like wow..

@seekingbabyk k oh I really hope the fragmentation test comes back with better results than the first after all the sacrificies you made! let us know!
aawww great stuff you finally got to move it 😃we did you bathroom last year and had shower runs to OH's mum's house so i remember the feeling. it feels like the best thing in the world having a shower in your house back haha.
yeah let's see what his test results will be like and then you can make a more informed decision. hopefully they don't have to retrieve. I can imagine anything that concerns their crown jewels must sound like a bit of a nightmare to a man..

xx

@Honeybunie oh no I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I had heard it can be painful but didn't want to say in case it made you worry! At least it's done now and if it works it'll be worth it. Wow they do seem incompetent there - definitely have to always double and triple check everything yourself!

At least you will still be transferring before Christmas. Are you just transferring one?

@seekingbabyk Ah fantastic, so pleased that you’ve moved in and your bathroom is nearly ready! That’s going to feel like a real luxury like you say.
I think you’re spot on with what you say - leave it up to fate as there are pros and cons for whatever happens. I try my best to take things day by day as there are so many ups and downs with all of this, you can’t plan too far ahead with all the curveballs that are thrown our way 😏
Fingers crossed for the fragmentation test results, it sounds like you’ve both worked really hard with the supplements and lifestyle changes. Then you’ll be able to make your decision after that.

@Honeybunie OMG the scratch sounds like it was quite an ordeal 🤦‍♀️ You’re quite right, they should tell you or offer you sedation. This is why I’m worried about potentially having this hysteroscopy without anything. We have to go through enough already without putting ourselves through that agony! I’m glad it’s done with anyway, and they say it can really help. I know a friend of mine (the one who suggested our clinic in Prague) had one before her successful transfer and she’s now got twins. Neither clinic has suggested it to me so far.
I sent an email to ask about Embryoglue this morning as we paid for it as an add-on with I think every transfer in Prague. Obviously one worked and the rest didn’t, but it made me wonder if I should ask for it again, if I’m trying to replicate my successful transfer. Anyway they emailed me straight back and said that they don’t currently offer it as a clinic, so at least that made it an easy decision and we’ll have saved ourselves €200!

I can well believe what you’ve said about the mistakes with the medication, what a good job that you checked. Funnily enough, I’ve got a Norethisterone injection I didn’t need to use, in the bottom of the wardrobe! They changed their minds and gave me something else in the end. I’m saving it in case it ever comes in useful, although it’ll probably have expired like the Lubion almost did lol. Will you just start the Buseriline tomorrow and do one a day? Does the estrogen start tomorrow too? I’ve never done that kind of a protocol so I’m a bit clueless!

Fingers crossed nothing will coincide with your weekend away in Dec. It’s so hard when it comes to planning isn’t it, we put enough of our lives on hold. I reckon they’d be able to arrange a transfer around your plans anyway. I told my clinic we were going to a wedding in Sept and they said don’t worry, we can try to arrange the transfer date together and it happened to be a few days after that in the end. I know it’s not ideal with taking all the meds but you’ll find a way to keep it quiet if that’s what you want to do.

I think the issue with the follicle I had is that it might start producing progesterone earlier than they wanted. Like you say there’s no danger of it meeting any sperm up there! Anyway my doctor explained that with my cycle and with the size of it, they wouldn’t be expecting me to ovulate and it produce progesterone until later that week (she went into more detail than that), so I was quite happy with her explanation and decided to go ahead with the transfer, although she had said we could postpone if I wasn’t happy. You know how many things can go wrong and everything seems to have fallen into place with work and childcare so tbh, that also had a bearing on my decision. I love what@seekingbabyk said about the stars aligning so I’m keeping that in mind ❤️ x

@KLM25 how did it go flying out yesterday? Is it a transfer you are there for this time?

Have now managed to get a UTI so we are postponing until January. Seemed too hard pushed at the moment anyway and this seems like the universe telling me to wait until life is calmer so I'm taking it

It all went really well thanks @seekingbabyk and I’m pleased to report I have one little embryo onboard ❤️ It always feels like such a relief just to get to transfer, knowing how many things can go awry.

My flight was really early ystdy morning so I went straight to the clinic for a progesterone test which they were happy with, then I checked into the hotel at about 2. I’ve been doing a bit of walking around but I’ve been taking it quite easy compared to last time, as the hotel room is really comfy, so there has been a lot of Netflix!

It all went to plan this morning for the transfer, I felt quite nervous weirdly, I think it was just because I wanted to get the bladder situation right 🤦‍♀️☺️ Full but not bursting! Anyway it worked out ok. They project a picture of your embryo onto the wall just before the transfer and the embryologist comes in to explain it all. Anyway it turned out it was hatching, so I felt quite good about that and it gave me a little bit of hope. Probably misplaced hope but I’m going to try to stay positive this time! Plus they gave me a picture which didn’t happen last time. I then proceeded to leave it in the pocket of the dressing gown and had to return to the clinic 5 minutes later when I realised! Luckily they found it for me.

Really sorry to hear about your UTI 😏 Hope you’re not in too much discomfort. Like you say, its good in a way as it makes the decision for you, you’ve got a lot going on at the moment without adding another egg collection into the mix. January will be here before you know it and this way you can enjoy all the run up to Christmas without any distractions x

@KLM25 awww congratulations on being PUPO! Keeping everything crossed it sticks for you! I'm glad it all went smoothly and that's amazing it was hatching!

Yes plenty of time to prepare for the next round now and we're both feeling like the less stress the better really so just going to focus on getting our house finished or more finished x

Hello ladies.
I'm turning 40 soon so time is really running out.
I've been doing ivf since I was 37 and I'm struggling to understand why quality is so bad. We've been trying naturally since late 20s and still couldn't get pregnant at that age when quality should have been decent.
Wondering if I should bother continuing.
Financially one more round is it.
My last round I had two blasts transferred but both cc. I'm currently 8dp5dt and feeling hopeless as I know this round will fail also

@StillPrayingForAMiracle I'm sorry you are having a hard time. I really feel you - I'm 38 and looking at round 4 after Xmas and feeling quite hopeless too. Have you read it starts with the egg? There are quite a lot of changes you can make to your lifestyle to improve egg quality.

Have you tested yet on this transfer?

Heya sorry for the late reply. Life's gotten a little crazy and busy recently.
Congratulations @KLM25 on the successful transfer!! that's great news. I still can't believe how quickly you can have another one on board. crossing all my fingers for this one 🍀
Ah very interesting about the follicle starting to produce progesteron.. that makes total sense. But yes sounds like it was all good in your case :)
Nice you could see the embryo hatching. let's hope it latches straight onto the uterus ❤
I've started the Buserelin Sunday evening. They said any time in the day, just make sure it's the same time in the day. it's only one injection a day. The oestrogen tablets start a lot later. The buserelin stops the ovaries from producing oestrogen, so I think it's like a down-reg in preparation for the start of the medicated cycle. So i have my scan on 15th November, which is a baseline scan after a bleed, and after that they'll tell me when to start on the oestrogen. So I'm guessing the morning after the scan if the scan is okay. So the baseline scan is like a day 1 i guess. So still 2 weeks to go until the acutal cycle starts. Been feeling a little stressed and down today and everything bothers me. read common to very common side effects are depression and mood changes.. here we go. Need to keep that in mind before I rip someone's head off over the next two weeks... 👹

@seekingbabyk I think we'll be transfering just one. I forgot to ask about that tbh. So much time has passed, I think I lost track. Maybe the scratch will work so we better try one first. I wouldn't be too keen on having two if it does.
Oh god a UTI - poor you! hope you feel better again soon! what timing, but like you said, it's fate telling you to wait until after Xmas and get everything else in order in the meantime xx

@Honeybunie oh no I'm sorry you are feeling down. Sometimes it just needs a few days of the medication to get used to it and then you can start feeling more normal again. I hope you feel better soon.

Yes definitely taking it as a sign although feeling a bit gutted about it all. I couldn't find all my supplements in the move so had three days not taking them and I'm feeling really rough for going cold Turkey. I think maybe the ubiquinol and vitamin d are the culprits as I believe the coq10 gives you an energy boost. Just constant want to nap. Have hunted through and found them today so hopefully tomorrow I'll be feeling better again. Did you find any tiredness when you stopped the pills?

@seekingbabyk thank you x I'm feeling better today so that's good. I also just read today that the body may get used to the medication after a few days. fingers crossed.
Sorry to hear you're feeling a bit run down. hope you feel better today! Mad how you're body reacts to the supplements. I never noticed a difference when starting or stopping the supplements, at least not to my mood or level of tiredness. been taking the pregnacare max for a bit now and my hair and nails seem to be doing really well so that's good haha. Could also be something else though.. hard to know x

Thanks so much @Honeybunie, yes it felt like quite the achievement to make it to transfer so will just see what happens. I don’t feel any different really, just a few cramps and tender boobs but I know that’s just the progesterone, as I always feel like that.
Glad you’re starting to feel a bit better, hopefully that means your body’s got used to the meds, I suppose that makes total sense really. It’s amazing how quickly we get into the routine of the injections too. Do you do the Buserelin in your tummy? I’ve only ever had Clexane and Lubion, so both in the tummy, although I’ve heard a bit about some that have to be done in the thigh with a bigger needle which sounds a bit scarier!

Thanks so much @seekingbabyk, hope you’re feeling a bit better too. I can completely empathise with things getting lost in the move 🤦‍♀️ I’m ashamed to say that we’ve still got boxes in the loft from our move that remain unpacked and that was over a year ago ☺️ I suppose that shows we don’t really need that stuff if we haven’t missed it and maybe it should go straight to the charity shop! Hopefully you’ve got a nice weekend planned x

@Honeybunie glad you're feeling better. I think I'm going to have to wean myself off of the ubiquinol once I stop it as it was definitely that affecting my energy levels.

@KLM25 how you holding up? What is your test date? Will you test before do you think?

@seekingbabyk I’m ok, slowly going crazy! I’m trying to stay busy but obviously I can’t think of anything else. Test date is Friday so that’ll be 10dp5dt. I won’t test before then as I’m already absolutely dreading it. I’ve just had so many BFNs in a row, it’s hard to imagine this one being any different. Then I feel bad for not being positive enough 😏

Hope you’re feeling better and had a good weekend x

@KLM25 oh I know that feeling its awful waiting. Possibly the hardest part! Just remember it worked before. Keeping everything crossed for you x

@KLM25 oh wow Friday - I was gonna say that's not long now, but I know it is when you're waiting for it! Hope you manage to distract yourself as best as possible. I can imagine it's difficult to stay positive after so many negatives in a row, but we're all waiting for a miracle and maybe this time it's time for yours - I hope so for you :) don't feel bad for not being positive either. If it's meant to be it will happen no matter how positive or negative your mindset is/was!

Ha I know what you mean about boxes left untouched. I still have our 'bathroom' box from last year and never managed to put stuff back into our new bathroom, so definitely don't need any of the stuff in there. Just depressing to see how much stuff we accumulate and we don't even need it.

@seekingbabyk you feeling better again and more energentic?

My injecitons are in the tummy yes. All going well so far. Oh I had my little bleed yesterday. and it was the same time my period would normally start. But it wasn't much as all. I was expecting a bit more, esp after the endo stratch. Well let's hope the lining is thin when i go for my baseline scan next week. apart from that I'm feeling very tired recently. Was gonna do so much around the house over the weekend, but just felt like going back to bed half the time lol. must be the buserilin. my mood is okay again though thank god and not too crazy.

Thanks so much @seekingbabyk and @Honeybunie for the words of encouragement ❤️ You’re right, you just have to feel how you feel, and not add that one to the long list of worries!
No Friday’s not far away now. In some ways I want to just stay in the hope bubble, yet in others I want to be out of the limbo of not knowing and being so hyper aware of every little feeling that I have! My OH is going out on a work meal on Fri night, so I’ve already planned my evening if it’s bad news - I’m going to watch Barbie (haven’t seen it yet) and have copious amounts of wine!

Really glad that the injections are going well @Honeybunie. I find that I get onto a bit of a roll with them and sometimes I do one and it doesn’t sting or hurt at all. With a few of my transfers I was doing the Lubion and the Clexane one after another in the evening, but now I do the Lubion at 2 and the Clexane at 7.30 and I find that works much better for me. Sorry to hear you’re feeling so tired, maybe it’s just a case of getting used to the meds but this whole process does take its toll, so I’d say go back to bed if you feel like it and don’t feel guilty about it! Xx

@Honeybunie yes I'm feeling better now thanks. I think it must have been a combination of uti and stopping the supplements but found them all and restarted them now.

@KLM25 not long now. I haven't seen the barbie movie either actually! But that sounds like a lovely evening - it's definitely about having nice things planned isn't it x

Morning ladies, I just wanted to update you, although I want to whisper this as it’s such early days and too soon to get excited, but I had a positive test this morning.
We’re both so scared and I’m already stressing that the second line isn’t dark enough for 10dp5dt. It’s almost as dark as the control line but not quite.
But we’re really happy to at least cross the first hurdle after all those BFNs in a row.
My clinic want me to increase the meds so of course I’m nervous about that too 🤦‍♀️☺️
I think I’m going to arrange a private beta hcg for reassurance although my clinic have just said to book a scan for 15 days time x

@KLM25 aaaaaahhhhhhh how exciting 🤩 was just gonna wish you best of luck for the test today but the result is in already of course 🤩 aawwwwww that’s amazing. Congratulations you two 🥰 hope it’ll all go super smoothly from here on ❤️ fab news 😍 no wine for you this evening 🤣

@KLM25 that's amazing news! Keeping everything crossed it's smooth sailing from here! Yes definitely do whatever you need to do for peace of mind! All that travelling round etc has paid off!x