ERA/ALICE/EMMA testing thread 2

[seven201]

Link to the old thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/infertility/4187520-era-testing-after-multiple-implantation-failures-anyone-had-it-done?msgid=110302437&utmsource=mentions&utmmmedium=email&utmcampaign=2020-10-19&utmmterm=You+have+been+mentioned+in+a+post&rei=438192#110302437

Welcome to the new thread. Anyone welcome.

@Janefx40 good luck with the lateral flow. I know what you mean. I'm not sure if I'll do the pregnancy test, but they'll arrive today if I do decide I want to.

@VenusStarr I had lots of cramps in early pregnancy with my dd, so much so that I didn't know I was pregnant for at least a week as I was convinced my period was about to arrive. I'm glad it's stopped but it does sound scary.
It's good you've had those blood tests;
they're monitoring you well. The symptoms sound reassuring too. Sorry you had a bad night

I just woke up at 3 ish and couldn't get back to sleep, but I'm ok.

@Dochas121

I actually transferred a 3BB even though I have 3-5 AA as I’ve read so much about lower grades turning out normal and top grades not.

Yes my friend transferred a 5aa and had to TFMR - I had a weird feeling about my frozen 5aas which the clinic wanted to transfer so I requested my 2 lowest grades which became my twins.

@VenusStarr

I had intense cramping with my eldest and also thirst so hopefully all good signs 🤞🏻

Morning all, sorry for hear some bad nights sleep all round.

I had been doing absolutely fine until last night. I was actually barely thinking about it and feeling fine. I can’t believe I’m even writing this as I don’t know what possessed me (and I’m mortified) but I was home alone last night and ended up (sorry TMI) having an orgasm followed by a pain across my stomach. Cue frantic googling and shaking with anxiety all night. I am so upset that I may have ruined this for us. I can’t tell my husband. I’m too ashamed.

It seems like there is a small risk a uterine contraction can dislodge the embryo. But it’s really mixed as to whether that can happen or not or if it’s just an extra precaution.

I looked at my clinics documents and there nothing about abstaining and a few other clinics websites online and all say it’s fine. But others say mixed. Also found some threads online from women who did same and had similar pain and did get BFP but I don’t know what stage of the TWW they were at.

I don’t know what came over me after everything I’ve been through to be so foolhardy.

I’m hoping if it can literally make or break success that clinics would have to mention it. I don’t know

Sorry for TMI. I’m an idiot.

Thanks for all your stories of embryos making it against the odds. Must keep positive. Think I'm a bit thrown by my recent PGT-A results.

Heartening that a fair few on this thread are actually pregnant despite al the challenges ❤️

@Dochas121 oh my love. Firstly you have nothing to feel ashamed about at all. Having an orgasm is a totally natural thing to do. And secondly it's NOT going to have made any difference at all. Babies are made through orgasms and most people don't know exactly when they ovulate so they do it all around and beyond ovulation ie during the implantation period. Whatever the result, this orgasm won't have made the difference. Xxx

@Dochas121 just seen your latest post. Honestly don't worry... that would be a major design flaw if that sort of thing could do any harm. I really think it's absolutely fine!!

@Dochas121 I really don't think that can do any harm. When I was pregnant with Dd I had a sex dream and had an orgasm in my sleep (never happened before or since!) and woke up with intense cramps and then had some bleeding. Had to go to the early pregnancy unit and she was fine in there but I was terrified my dream had ruined everything.

Thanks guys for the reassurance. I’ve been so sick all day about if. I don’t know what possessed me. The evidence really is v mixed - so I hope I haven’t ruined our chances. No cramps or spotting or anything so far either.

@seven201 jeez that sounds so scary. Glad all was ok.

Cant believe I’m even discussing this 🙈 but it did help to just say it out there as I’ve been in an awful anxious loop.

I hope everyone else is having a nicer weekend!

@Dochas121 don't be embarrassed though I would be too!

I am regretting doing another pregnancy test this morning. The line is definitely there still, but the same darkness as Thursday, so not very dark at all. A cheapie one step one you can hardly see the line at all, but technically that test is a few months out of date. I have a weeks test but too scared to use it now. Got my blood test kit to do and post on Monday though. Also not sure if I'm getting a UTI as my urine was very cloudy. Will keep an eye on it today.

@Dochas121 hope you are feeling a bit better today. Not too long until your test now, although not sure you see that as a good thing :-/

I've got weird anxiety about my meds. I have this nagging feeling I haven't done it right. I'm on Lubion this time so having to think about it a bit more carefully and now I think I'm overthinking. Questioning whether I've forgotten to do one or didn't start on the right day and can't really tell as I had some left over from a previous time and so I didn't start with a full packet 🙄. I think I'm just anxious generally but someone tell me that it doesn't matter that much or something?! Had my progesterone level checked yesterday and although I don't have the results yet I'm sure that level is the main thing, right?

I was planning to be ridiculously healthy for this fet but had pizza for dinner and going out for lunch today !

How's everyone else doing?

Oh morning @seven201 our messages crossed I think. Try not to stress, different tests different lines. Hopefully all is well.

@whatcangowrong I think the main thing is starting when you're told but if you are a bit early or late with one then I don't see how it can matter that much. I was on lentogest which is 3 injections a week, so that always meant that one dose was 3 days apart instead of 2, so can't have to be that strict generally. It's good you've had yours checked - hope that gives some reassurance.

I did two tests this morning, it's the in date first response that still looks the same at Thursday. But who knows. Need to try and forget about it but won't of course for now.

Hmm. Thanks @seven201. I don't feel that sure that I did start on Thursday! I had an alarm on my phone so imagine I didn't ignore it. I did have a trigger shot last week though so I will have ovulated. I think that means my body is making progesterone of its own as well for a period of time, not sure what happens when it discovers that egg wasn't fertilised or how long that takes.

Grasping at straws but I think I must have started on Thursday...

Have so much on my mind at the moment my brain is a sieve. And then I also feel there is so much riding on this transfer.

@Dochas121 ❤️ please don't worry. You did nothing wrong and it will not have an impact on the outcome. How are you today?

@seven201 I'm sorry you're worried. There's all sorts of reasons why the tests may not be as dark due to the dye, concentration etc. These early days are so hard. Keeping everything crossed for you.

@whatcangowrong I know that 'did I take my meds?' anxiety well. With mine, I've done a checklist of all my meds and just tick off when I've done it each day. (you will have done it BTW! 🙂) I also have alarms on my phone, even though I'm in a routine now, it's still helpful to have the reminder.

We went out last night to a party, the food was rubbish and didn't get in until the early hours and I was so hungry. Managed to drop off but had to get up to do my lubion so had something to eat, now waiting for dh to wake up and eat again! I'm starting to allow myself to believe that this can work out. I'm still petrified of Friday but trying to enjoy feeling like crap. My mouth is so dry, must've drank about 6 pints of water last night.

@seven201 I totally anti daily testing on tests but I did it this time for first time. I had 2 frer and they were both exact same darkness 2 days apart and that with my bleeding send me into breakdown mode. Obv all was fine.
They are not meant to get darker and also once u get to a certain hcg they actually get lighter (I know this but I still did it!) fingers crossed for ur hcg. And then get another one 48 hours as it’s the rise which is important rather than the absolute number

Thanks guys. Feeling a bit better today. I’ve had no spotting or cramping or anything like that so hopefully nothing has been disrupted 🙈

@seven201 great that you are still getting a positive. When can you get a HCG result by? It would be great to get that as it’s so accurate.

@whatcangowrong also being super unhealthy here. Hope you enjoyed it all the same. @VenusStarr had a good idea by writing it down. I tend to take my oestrogen with my meals so I know I’ve taken it and I’ve alarms for progesterone.

Hope you are doing ok Venus star. Hopefully this week will go quickly and you’ll be in the scan before you know it.

When is OTD @Dochas121 ?

Please can everyone pray for my two little embryos tomorrow?!

I feel so different about this time as compared to the others when I was always really confident. The fact we are doing our first double transfer says it all really, we are not holding out much hope :-/

BUT, I guess you never know!

Thank you @Dochas121 anxiety has kicked in again. Feeling silly for having hope. But I think I'm overtired as I've had a late night and not napped today. But feel scared that Friday the bubble will burst and I'm mot sure I can go through it all again 😥😥

Glad you're feeling better today x

@seven201 sorry for the test anxiety. Why do we always do it to ourselves?!! Line progression isn't the best measure as you know. I wish we could have a crystal ball and know how things are going to work out but the painful truth is that only time will tell us. Have everything crossed for this little bean x

@VenusStarr don't feel silly for having hope - feel proud of yourself for having an open heart. We all have hope or we wouldn't put ourselves through it. Making yourself think it's going to fail won't make it any easier if it does - that is going to be shit whatever your mindset so let yourself have a bit of happiness and believe it could work. You deserve it!!!

@whatcangowrong have everything crossed for your embies tomorrow. Good luck!!

Xxx

@whatcangowrong you probably did take it. I know that feeling very well. Don't beat yourself up about it. As you say, your body makes it too, so probably fine. best of luck for your two littlies tomorrow!

@VenusStarr sorry you've had an up and down weekend. I think sometimes you just need to accept that your feelings will change a lot and just go with the feelings at the time. It won't change the outcome at all.

@Dochas121 glad you're feeling reassured.

@Cream123 when is your due date? It must be coming up. It feels like a long time since you got your bfp. You having extra monitoring still?

@Gardenlady543 how are you doing? When is your next appt?

Thanks everyone for the reassurance. I think I'll stay away from the pregnancy tests. I've not had any brown blood at all today and have had more cervical mucus, which apparently can be a pregnancy symptom. I love and hate Google.

Back to the topic of the original thread. Are we meant to carry on with canesflor if pregnant?

@VenusStarr I think it’s good to have hope and I’m sending you all the positive thoughts I have x

@seven201 It says in my progesterone leaflet not to take anything vaginally when doing progesterone pessaries as it can interfere with progesterone working. So I’ve just been taking an oral probiotic as I think it’s more important at this stage to have high levels of progesterone.

@whatcangowrong the very best of luck today. You really do never know if it’s going to work or not. Part of the reason why the whole thing is so mentally difficult. Let us know when you’re resting up with your two embryos on board. ❤️

@Gardenlady543 hope you’re ok.

@Janefx40 how are you?

@Dochas121 I'm fine thanks. Just fed up. Can't remember if I updated the thread but it's been confirmed now that I can't start transfer until end Dec so am feeling pretty frustrated.

Also don't want to work today after our little mini-break!! But that's an aside.

I know nothing about vaginal probiotics but does the vaginal absorption thing apply if you take progesterone rectally? I've always found that preferable anyway - much less messy once you get over the rectal thing x

@Dochas121 oh thank you. I should read leaflets! I do the progesterone rectally like janefx, as find it less messy that way. Although the other day my daughter did ask me why I had white paint on my bottom (still in pjs and must have had a leak )! Do you think that's only for if you use the progesterone vaginally? You don't have to answer, I can go read the leaflet!

@Janefx40 did you put the complaint in? Sorry you're having to wait for so long. Are you still feeling angry about it or have you 'just' accepted it now?

@seven201 do you know it didn’t even occur to me that if they were done rectally the probiotics could go vaginally! I don’t see any reason why this couldn’t be done - presumably the probiotics are suitable for in pregnancy.

@Janefx40 that’s very annoying about the FET. The lack of communication from some of the clinics is so bad. Unfortunately their incentives to be upfront are completely skewed in case they lose clients aka money. I think it’s a good idea to log a complaint but only if it’ll make you feel better as opposed to stirring up more anger and frustration.

@seven201 I would prob stop the canesflor but I’m not sure why! Just figure it’s not needed and maybe microbiome changes naturally when u get preg so let it do what it needs to? I’m having a section last week of jan as the docs think section safer given previous hx of section surgery and placenta being low. Xxx good luck for ur hcg