TWW Jan/Feb 2020

[41trying]

This is for ladies in there TWW that would like to chat and have a little support!

[41trying]

@Feline123 my clinic just said rest after ET, I have been normal doing everything really. If it's going to work it will,
My 9dpEC will be this Thursday but I may test next Monday and just see with my on test then use official one on there test date which is 30th, but that will be like 5am in the morning as I'm sure I'm not going to get any sleep

[UnicornPuff]

Hi @Haych1985 and @Littlelot, you cant be late to the TWW!

@41trying EC or ET? 9 days post EC seems super early. However I have been debating in my head getting some internet cheapies so I can start testing every morning from next monday which will be 7dpt so it probably isn't that early!

@Feline123 I think total best rest would drive me insane! my clinic said I only had to rest on the day

I didnt think I would but I had the tiniest amount of cramping and now I am over thinking it! It's going to be a long two weeks!

[BambiOnIce80]

Welcome @Haych1985 @Littlelot 👋 My stomach is also feeling really tense, but I'm only 2dp5dt! I think in my case I'm getting constipated from the bloody progesterone 😣 Absolutely no symptoms otherwise (which obviously has me freaking out that it's failed already 🙄).

My clinic told me to carry on as normal @Feline123 , but to avoid any high-impact exercise (think you might be alright with the ironing if you reaallly want to do it 😉). I have to admit that being busy at work today has been a really healthy distraction for me (I think I would have driven myself mental at home 🤯).

I admire your impatience @41trying ! 😂 I'm just such a wuss around POAS - I really don't want to see another BFN 😣 I think if I leave it until OTD I can at least hold onto being PUPO just a litttllle bit longer (yup, I know I'm deluding myself and your approach is a lot more well adjusted! 😉).

I'm guessing we're OK on the TMI front on here after all we've been through ladies?! 😬 I'm wondering if anyone's got any recommendations for PUPO-friendly constipation remedies?! I've never really suffered from it before and it's gettimg really uncomfortable 😳

[41trying]

I totally get you @Bambi0nlce80. I have taken sena for the last 2 evening which the clinic has said is fine and I've been both days lol which was well needed.
@UnicornPuff I meant 9day after EC.

[41trying]

I was wondering if anyone knows the answer???? I am trying to stay as positive as I can but things still goes through my mind. When I had EC on 2 previous occasions that didnt result in transfer AF came in both occasions within 2 weeks. Does anyone know if its BFN would AF arrive before OTD??? I'm trying not to think about it and then it makes me think more

[Littlelot]

@41trying I have the same worry - and am a teacher so worried about af coming at a break and then having to go face 30 kids! I’m not taking progesterone though so nothing to stop my af appearing.

As far as I understand the hormones your taking should prevent af? But I think the body can override the hormones if it really wants to. I know when I had a miscarriage last attempt the progesterone stopped me miscarrying and I had to stop taking it and wait a few days for it to leave my system. So I imagine it must be similar for af.

[41trying]

@Littlelot, oh I didnt realise that the progesterone pessaries would stop AF coming. Like I said first transfer for me, so no idea.

[41trying]

@Littlelot, do you mind me asking why no meds/progesterone with your natural cycle?

[BambiOnIce80]

Thanks so much for the tip @41trying ❤️ I'm going to hit Amazon shortly for next day delivery! 🚚

The clinic went through that scenario with me @41trying and they said it depends on the brand of progesterone being used and then on top of that there's a lot of variation between individuals (couldn't possibly be straightforward, could it?! 🤷‍♀️). Apparently it's quite common for AF to come before test day on the gel type progesterone, whereas it's less likely to turn up if you're using the soft capsule type pessaries (and therefore gives us a false sense of security! 🤦‍♀️).

... It's so annoying that there's no sure fire signs! 😣

[41trying]

@Bambi0nlce80 nothing could be straight forward could it.
So another question, I've been taking progesterone pessaries now for a week and when going to the toilet then wiping getting that waxey feeling! Well for 2 days now there is nothing, so I am now questioning is this normal??? Anyone else?

[BambiOnIce80]

They've given me utrogestan @41trying and it's a soft gel pessary. It seems to break down into chalky type stuff that comes out when it's ready! 😳 Other than the constipation thing they don't seem to be giving me too much trouble (so far! 🤞🏻).

... I really am starting to worry about the lack of any symptoms 😥 I've gone and booked an extra acupuncture session for tomorrow night, just so I can feel like I'm doing something! 🤦‍♀️ I think with the injections it felt like I was doing something proactive, whereas now I feel powerless over the outcome and it's driving me nuts 😩 My clinic did warn that this is the worse bit after so much contact with them... but I didn't think it would be this head-f🤬king!

[41trying]

@Bambi0nlce80, ahh ok. Also I am feeling the same last few days nothing, whereas first few days i has cramping, boobs were heavy and sore and felt a little sick. So I am now thinking it was all the pessaries.
Why do we have to analyse everyrhing

[Littlelot]

@41trying ah sorry didn’t realise it was different for gel or pessaries - I had the pessaries.

I have no meds as I’m unexplained infertility and as far as all the blood tests show my hormones are doing what they are meant to - something somewhere isn’t - and the studies my docs have done (they’re connected to Cambridge uni) show no difference in outcome between medicated or natural for my situation. After last time when I knew something wasn’t right and I had to keep taking the meds and then knowing it was prolonging the miscarriage, I just couldn’t face going through that again. The thing I hate about ivf is just never knowing if you’re making the right decision - even now I doubt myself whether I should have just taken all the hormones so that I could know for certain I had exactly the right hormones but so will confess it is much less stressful not worrying about taking all the pills and pessaries.

[jemimafuddleduck]

Hi all, can I join?
I'm 5dp5dt (FET, double embryo donor eggs). I feel ABSOLUTELY nothing 😢 No symptoms whatsoever.
This is our 5th transfer with not a sniff of a bfp so far. This is our last go. I'm testing on Saturday (9dpt) and to be honest I'm dreading it.
Wishing you all the very best of luck x

[BambiOnIce80]

I think infertility turns us all into world class over-analysers @41trying! 😄 I woke up at 3am feeling completely normal and that set me wide awake panicking for the next 2 hours that it's clearly failed, what's the point, why am I putting myself through this, etc, etc?!?! 🙄 Work is going to be an absolute joy today on 5 hours sleep! 😩

I'm primary unexplained as well @Littlelot and it's completely infuriating, isn't it?! At every step of this cycle I've been waiting for the big explainer to happen - dodgy egg permeability at fertilisation? Nope 😕 Crap egg quality/DNA/incompatibility with DP's genetic material? No again 🙁 Obviously that's got me panicking (at 3am this morning!) that it's going to be to do with implantation, which means we're proper screwed because that's the process the docs know the least about and there's the least solutions for 😔 The only things that are available are research type stuff that the private clinics will charge a fortune for that don't have the hard evidence to back up that there's any point in doing it in the first place! 😒 It is really hard to know whether we're all making the right decisions or not, but the main thing is that you're doing what feels right for you.x

Welcome @jemimafuddleduck 👋 I'll join you on the no symptoms whatsoever stress! Keeping everything crossed for you that those 2 little embies are actually working really hard implanting and that they're going to give you a lovely surprise on Saturday 🤞🏻🍀🤞🏻🍀

[jemimafuddleduck]

@BambiOnIce80 thanks for your welcome! Sorry for your sleepless night. This time is so rough isn't it. I almost caved this morning and tested but I've managed to stay strong!

They think our issue is implantation but they don't have any idea why. We've had pretty much every test going and they haven't been able to find a reason. We've spent a fortune 😢

[Haych1985]

So now ladies reading you posts I'm confused to wether to expect period before test date or not lol

I'm on utrogestan vaginal applicators 200mg 3 a night.

[UnicornPuff]

@haych1985 I think it is a potential with any but also not. My clinic said what ever happens if AF has turned up or not to keep taking the meds until BFN and they say stop.

@jemimafuddleduck good luck. Are you having a blood test or urine 9dp5dt? I would have thought urine could give a false neg that early. I have everything crossed for you. Do you mind me asking if this is the first time you are using donor eggs?

I dont have constipation I have contuined to be regular and soft but....... I have horrific wind and my stomach keeps being really uncomfortable as if I am need to open my bowels immediately but I dont it's just wind! Anyone else? is this the progesterone?

[BambiOnIce80]

I'm so sorry that they think your infertility might be due to an implantation issue @jemimafuddleduck and I really hope I didn't upset you with what was looping through my head at 3am!😰 It's just so very, very frustrating and I feel like I'm constantly trying to trouble-shoot a problem that even the professionals don't know how to fix (so I've got no bloody chance, have I?!) 😔 I guess I'm also reassessing where our new 'line in the sand' is for knocking all this on the head. Before we started this cycle we said we'd do one fresh cycle and then if it didn't work we'd do 'a few' FET's. If it was a BFN and we hadn't gotten any frosties, then that would be the end of it and we'd got on with enjoying our lives child-free... but we have 5 frosties and now I'm thinking "but if it's an implantation problem, do we keep throwing money at it or not?!". I just don't know at the moment (even after 2 hours of constantly going over it in the wee small hours of the morning!) 🤷‍♀️ Think I'll take up one of the free counselling sessions at the clinic if it's a BFN to try and regroup and get some clarity 🧘‍♀️

@Haych1985 , if it's a BFN you may or may not get AF whilst taking the progesterone whether it's utrogestan or any other brand - there's sadly no guarantee. My clinic said that in their experience most women on utrogestan won't get AF whilst they're taking it, even if it's a BFN. Some might though. Really annoying not having any guarantees, I know.x

I've been getting the wind too @UnicornPuff and I'm assuming it's the progesterone. I'm not even sure that I'm actually constipated either as I've been managing to go normally too, it's just the discomfort that was making me think it must surely be constipation... So much to over-analyse in my tiny little brain! 🤯

[Feline123]

Bit worried, I’ve been having runny-ish eggs in my sandwiches since ET - they have the British lion code, which nhs says is safe to have raw or undercooked in pregnancy. However, the leaflet my clinic gave me says avoid undercooked eggs 😣

[Rovera12]

@Haych1985 , @Littlelot welcome .

Hello ladies how everyone doing today? Well for me no symptoms so trying to stay away from Dr google, it’s 4pt5dt for me leaving all to my worries to God.

My silly Question ladies is it compulsory one must have implantation bleed?

[BambiOnIce80]

It's all about the risk of food poisoning @Feline123 , so as long as you haven't left your sandwiches on a nice warm radiator for 3 or 4 days before you eat them, then I'm sure it's not a problem 😉 I'm going to a 6 course seafood supper club at our favourite restaurant on Saturday and there's no way I'm skimping when I haven't had a BFP yet (although I'll still be doing 'dry January', obvs 😏).

I keep obsessing about that one too @Rovera12! 😄 When I used to be on the TTC boards it seemed like every man and his dog had IB before their BFP, but I think the reported percentage is something like 25% experience and therefore the majority don't.x

[Feline123]

Thanks @BambiOnIce80 it’s so hard not to overthink everything at the moment.

As for symptoms- I was told not to symptom spot as anything you do feel will most likely be due to the progesterone, rather than pregnancy or period symptoms! Only think I’ve had is a bit of constipation and emotions have been all over the place (which is to be expected i suppose!)

I’m having a bit of a negative day about it all... I’m trying to be positive but it’s so hard to imagine a positive result when I’ve never come close to one in 3 years!

[BambiOnIce80]

I hear you @Feline123 💖 I started TTC with my XH in 2010 (he wasn't my ex then, of course - that would've been really weird! 😂). It seems so strange to be at this stage now and there's years of hope built up to this result 😰 I'm usually really pragmatic and see the funny side of nearly everything, but this particular TWW has made me a full on negative Nancy! 😳 Just as well we started a separate TWW thread - I think we'd suck the joy out of the other one at the moment! 😏

You're right about the symptoms - we're on so much progesterone that we wouldn't be able to tell what's real and what's not anyway 🙄 The one thing that's really testing my will power (even more than not drinking! 😉) is to not give in and check my resting heart rate on my sports watch ⌚ It's supposed to go up by at least 8 beats per minute if we're pregnant (something to do with the heart having to work harder to supply blood needed by the foetus) and I know of a good few people who have found that to be true... Must... Not... Look!! 😩🤯😩🤯

[MissHoney85]

I did not know that about heart rate and just fell in the trap of looking at mine 😂 it has been a bit higher than usual over the last few days but probably just because I'm stressed and haven't done any exercise in about a month. Was also high before transfer to almost definitely nothing to get excited about! I find it hard to believe an embryo would need significantly more blood this early anyway.

I'm finding it hard to think positively at the moment too. I had a 3BC embryo and a morula transferred. If they hadn't suggested transferring the morula too I would probably have not looked too deeply into quality, but the fact that they suggested both (I'm 34) makes me think they think / know that the chances of either are minimal. Still a better than zero chance I guess but I wish I hadn't known that and could believe a bit more!