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Would you be my Infertility/Clomid/Follicle tracking friend please?!

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scienceteachergeek · 06/07/2015 22:28

Hi there ladies

I’m really looking for a ‘clomid friend’ or ‘infertility pal’!

I’m 30, DH is 38. I came off the pill July 2013 to regulate my cycles and ended 15yrs of antidepressants in March 2014 as I’d read that was the best plan if possible.

I’d been having regular 27/30day cycles since I came off the pill but after no positive tests, buying OPKs and the Clearblue Advanced Fertility Monitor, plus charting temps and monitoring my cervix and mucus it quickly became apparent that I wasn’t ovulating. After all the blood tests, sperm analysis, trans-vaginal scans and the HSG it showed that he was fine but I wasn’t ovulating, but there was not obvious reason why.

Fast forward to now, 2yrs since coming off the pill, I have been prescribed clomid and have taken my first 5 tablets. I’m day 12 today and have been having follicle tracking to check if the drugs have worked. My largest follicle was 16.4mm today and have to go back on Wednesday to check it again.

Do any of you know if that’s a good size? Or have any experiences of being further down the clomid path? Or are you in a similar position? I just feel like I’m going out of my mind and could really use a buddy!

Thanks for reading and hugs to you all. Interested in hearing from any of you xxx

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Vap0 · 08/10/2015 00:15

Hi all
science good luck with your scan! Very exciting! Hope you pop back to tell us how it goes! Is this a private one? How many weeks and days are you now?
Fertile window starts in Friday for me, and I think most of us should be starting that soon! Can't wait to get home tomorrow and have warned dp about impending dtd. Want to start early as you just never know! Will post my temps in a second. I don't think it will work for me as my temp variances are too much I think from what I've read but it's still quite fun. Am I right in thinking temp should dip before ovulation and then rises?
Anyone poas opk at the min?

Would you be my Infertility/Clomid/Follicle tracking friend please?!
Badleg · 08/10/2015 08:15

I am poas and currently day 10 of my cycle. However from my last scan I am a late ovulator. I will be cracking on from today though just in case.

Acupuncture I only had 10 needles they were in feet, hands, knees. I can't recall any in my belly. It didn't hurt at all.

FlatWhiteToGo · 08/10/2015 13:04

Thanks. I'm a little nervous of the pain!

Vap - enjoy your DTD! We're at similar cycle stages (CD9 here). I've started the shagathon and hope to do it lots over the next 10 days or so. I've been totally off sex for a while so it's really challenging Sad.

Got another call from my doctor saying my day 1-5 bloods came back mixed and one is low. He didn't say which one and I can't through to the doctors! Arghhhh! On good news it looks like my private medical insurance covers infertility investigations. It appears to be the very basic tests but does at least cover me for a consultation. I'm just so keen to speak to someone before Christmas so this isn't hanging over us.

How is everyone doing? I'm still jealous that Badleg has a horse! I would love one! I'm trying to find ways of relaxing, but all the things I can think of end up being more stressful as I panic about how I will get out of work to get to them!

Science - any updates? I really hope you're ok and that you stay on this thread Grin.

NewLeaf Birchy - I hope you're both well! Birchy - are you still hanging out on the buses?

NewLeafExpat · 08/10/2015 14:27

No it doesn't hurt except the odd one or two going in, specifically the one between thumb and fingers on that flappy bit of skin.

More odd than painful!! I also had a heat lamp directed onto the ones in my tummy which was quite relaxing. Some days I had one put into the top of my head (wtf), which actually I didn't feel at all hahaha! This point I believe is supposed to be for worry and anxiety.

Happy shagging ladies... 4DPO (if I did O) here and nothing to report!!

scienceteachergeek · 08/10/2015 22:22

All good! Everything looks great! I'll be 7 weeks on Saturday. Paid £80 but well worth it for a bit of piece of mind. Told MIL and DH's brothers and wives tonight. Totally mental to hear the heartbeat too. Unfortunately they found a fibroid too but hey ho, she gave me a photo of that too!!!

Enjoy your shagathons!

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Vap0 · 08/10/2015 23:18

Ooh science I wasn't expecting a scan pic. Sorry if I'm being thick here but is this a pic of baby or fibroid? What do fibroids do? Are they bad for baby? I think £80 is well worth it to give you peace of mind! I will defo have an early scan when I can! Really pleased you heard the heart beat! Must have been amazing! What did your family say when you told them?

CD 11 here. Fertile period starts tomorrow but dtd tonight just to get back into practice...
Hope we manage to keep it up until Wednesday!

I'm liking the idea of this acupuncture more and more. This week has been so mad busy, will investigate it for next month secretly hopeful we get caught this month (like every month)

We are being godparents on Sunday. That's just what you need when you're going through this infertility crap!

bananafish81 · 09/10/2015 02:10

Hi ladies

Been catching up with all your updates and giggling a lot as you do have a fantastic way with words!

Sorry not to reply to you all individually and to read and run, but wanted to pop in and reply to your lovely posts

Flatwhite don't be daft, I was completely clueless about it all until I started having to read up on it! Pregnant until proven otherwise (PUPO) is what you're considered after embryo transfer - ie you have embryo(s) on board and until you take a test 2 weeks later you won't know if you are pregnant or not, but you're supposed to treat yourself as if you were, just in case they do implant.

vap Honestly, the injections were a doddle. The idea of doing them is way worse than actually doing them. The needles are teeny and you can barely feel them; the first time is weird as unless you're diabetic the idea of sticking a needle in yourself is somewhat counter intuitive! But after that it's a breeze. The Cetrotide injection site itched like a bastard for about 5-10 mins afterward, but I knew to expect that. I got DH to do the mixing up, Walter White style (science - he loved it as it was like O level chemistry!) and I did the injecting. We had a giggle about how we felt like something out of Trainspotting when we'd be flicking the syringe to get rid of air bubbles though!

The hormones didn't send me loopy at all. Clomid was way worse emotionally! I did however bloat up so much that I put on 5 extra pounds in water weight within a few days and genuinely looked 4 months pregnant. It was a bit uncomfortable, and I had a raging thirst so was either chugging water or running to the loo, but it was all fluid - literally within 24h I had a waist again and had regained abs!! The body is nuts.

So egg collection was on Monday, and the consultant was absolutely astonished that he retrieved 7 eggs, of which 6 were mature. Given there was a very real possibility I wouldn't respond at all, and we were expecting 4 good ones, it was an amazing result. Apparently he said to DH (I was still coming round from sedation so don't remember) that my follies had had a productive weekend since the last scan!

The down side was twofold. Firstly, my poor DH was not only feeling dreadful on Monday, but he wasn't called to do his bit till after I was out of theatre and coming round from the sedation. Unfortunately as I have epilepsy, the sight of me drifting in and out and only vaguely lucid is pretty much indistinguishable from when I'm coming round from a seizure - where he's had to watch me turning blue and check how long I'm seizing for to work out if he needs to call an ambulance, and then slowly coming to with no memory of what's happened. So even though I was totally fine, seeing me like that basically triggered memories of what he describes as the worst moments of his life. And not exactly the kind of thing that gets you really geared up to go and knock one out in a grotty w*nk booth down the corridor. Poor DH was absolutely inconsolable that he wasn't able to provide a sample on the day, and so we had to freeze all the eggs unfertilised Sad. DH was utterly devastated and felt that he'd 'let us down' - but obv just as it's not my fault and he doesn't blame me for the fact my reproductive system doesn't work very well, equally I don't blame him and it's not his fault that his body didn't work so well that particular day. Obv absolutely gutted we didn't get to find out fertilisation rate, and even more gutted no one suggested freezing a sample beforehand as an insurance policy! Needless to say he will be freezing several samples for next time...!

However the second issue was that my lining had actually thinned since the last scan, and even if I had started taking supplementary oestrogen immediately, it's unlikely it would have thickened up enough to go ahead with transfer, so would almost certainly have been a freeze all cycle anyway (although if he'd been able to produce a sample we would have been freezing embryos not eggs)

So no transfer this cycle, we have to have one resting cycle before we can do a medicated FET (frozen transfer) - where we try and build up my lining with oestrogen to get it to a sufficient thickness, and then thaw the eggs, fertilise them, and hopefully transfer embryo(s) so that I can indeed be PUPO - and hope that something implants!

Rollercoaster ain't even the half of it. I think we've felt every emotion possible this week. We keep trying to remember the positives - we got more eggs than we ever expected! 6 mature eggs would be pretty crap for anyone else my age but for someone with my peri menopausal bloods it's a blimmin miracle. And my consultant says he has had success with frozen eggs, as the freezing technology is so much better than it was.

So we can't start our FET cycle for at least another 6 weeks or so. And in fact we're minded to ask the consultant if it's worth doing another stims cycle and batching both lots of eggs together so we have more embryos to work with - and if we're really lucky, get something for the freezer. That would probably mean waiting another month on top to let by ovaries recover - so would likely mean waiting till the new year. But will see what he says.

To answer your question about costs - the bill is way more painful than any of the injections or procedures! I was on a whopping dose of stimulation drugs so my meds bill alone was £2k - however that is unusually high. The actual cycle was £4200 for IVF, and will be another £1k on top of that for ICSI (fertilising by injecting a single sperm directly into the egg - which we'll need for frozen eggs. It's usually used in cases of male factor). Then there were all our blood tests, so about £500 or so. Then freezing the eggs is another grand, and we'll need to pay £450 to freeze sperm. Then as we have to have a separate frozen transfer cycle, that's another £2k. This is both London prices and v much at the upper end due to the meds, additional costs etc. If we do another fresh cycle before we do the FET we don't need any more blood tests and so that'll 'just' be the £6.5k for IVF + meds. If there's anything left over for freezing then that'll be another grand or so for 2 years freezing.

We're not eligible for NHS funding - even if we had been trying the requisite 2 years, my FSH is too high and AMH too low to meet the criteria for funding. Several private clinics wouldn't have accepted me either as they don't want to take patients who might bugger their stats. So we had no choice but to self fund. We would have considered going abroad as there are brilliant clinics for a fraction of the cost. Given my other medical issues it's essential my treatment us joined up with my other doctors, and joined up care would be impossible if we were cycling overseas.

The physical side is pretty easy tbh. It's the emotional and financial side that's so hard. If we are lucky enough to have a baby, we know all the heartache and crippling expense will be worth it, and they will one day understand just how much their Mummy and Daddy wanted them. Xx

NewLeafExpat · 09/10/2015 07:53

banananfish huge respect to u and well done for taking this on.

Whilst I hope that IVF is not something that vap flat or myself will have to do one day it is also a possible reality as we have all come this far down the road....

personally I have been scared shitless of the idea in the past. You post makes it seem less daunting. But you are one strong lady having that attitude! And it sounds like you still have a strong relationship with DH thru it all too which is great!

Fingers crossed for u and enjoy this break while u can, stress free for a while as the work (for now) has all been done!

Oh the rollercoaster of ttc.....!!!

bananafish81 · 09/10/2015 09:12

Wow science how amazing was it to see your bubs on screen?! Incredible! So so pleased for you xx

Vap0 · 09/10/2015 13:15

banana wow! What a tale of events! Congratulations on the number of eggs Grin I hope all goes well with the transfer when it happens! So upsetting for everyone involved regarding your dp's sample, how awful for him (and you of course), I'll bet his confidence has taken a massive knock but it is totally understandable that he couldn't provide one and I suppose I understand why they couldn't do it until they had your eggs as I remember when I took dp's sample in for analysis they had to have it within 30 mins of the sample being made (I think, I know it was a mad dash for me to get to the hospital with it) as it dies quickly out of the body. Everything crossed for your transfer.

Any news from anyone else? Any positive opk's out there? I've been opking and I'm getting a bit worried they are just totally blank. Nothing at all showing. Really hope this isn't another non ovulation month. I just don't know how much more of this waiting around I can do. I'm going absolutely mad! Temping is going ok. They say temp should dip before ovulation. Does anyone know if that happens a day before or for a few days before? Mine dipped 3 days ago and has stayed static since. Wondering if it should dip further? It's a bit of a dark art all of this temping.

So pleased it's the weekend.

Anyone have any nice plans?

Badleg · 09/10/2015 16:07

science how exciting for your scan and hearing the heartbeat must have been amazing. As for fibroid. I had one which I had removed and what started me on this whole process. Mine was found as I had an MRI for a bad back and it was pedunculated and sitting quite far back and was orange size and twisting causing the back pain. I was told that they can disappear on their own during pregnancy and that they don't necessarily cause fertility problems.

Wow banana sounds like a massive process thank you for sharing the information it's all very interesting and eye opening especially regarding the costs etc. the eggs collected sound like a massive positive and I hope whichever next steps you take are successful.

I am poas using my clear blue fertility monitor (old version) but I forgot to press button on day one. So I am on day 11 of my cycle and done my first test I wasn't too worried as I ovulated very late last month so assumed the same however I have immediately gone to high (2 blocks on the monitor) so will be cracking on!

Vap0 · 09/10/2015 19:38

Woo badleg great news on the high Grin
Does your monitor go straight from low to high or is there a stage between?
Still terrified I won't be ovulating this month. I'm sure tests used to show at least some form of line before now but can't find any pics. And there I was thinking this miscarriage was a at best a good sign that things are working and it will happen again but now it's appearing it has messed me up beyond belief Sad

FlatWhiteToGo · 09/10/2015 22:00

Hi everyone Smile

Vap - I seem to get a small dip, maybe the day of ovulation or just before. I didn't realise that was a "thing"! I also didn't realise you're also at a christening this weekend. I wonder if it's the same one? Ha ha. Joking - that would be beyond weird! I totally appreciate how utterly shite the whole experience is going to be for us both!

Science - That's unbelievably exciting! You must be on cloud 9. I really hope everything is going smoothly for you. Keep us updated! As for the fibroid - how big is it? Try not to worry as I'm sure people live with these things for years and the doctors should be doing what's best for the baby (as long as it's not causing you any damage).

Banana - What a rollercoaster! I really hope you're ok. You must feel all over the place. Your poor hubby Sad. He absolutely shouldn't feel bad. It would take a pretty weird type of guy to smash one out after all that! That's great that you retrieved so many eggs!! That has to be good news. As for the lining, is there anything they can do?

So how are you feeling generally? Are you able to relax a bit this weekend and just take stock of everything that's happened?

NewLeaf - How are you getting on? How are the invisible braces? I hope the pain has settled a little.

I'm CD10 today. DTD CD8 & 9 and am taking a break tonight. I got my blood test results back and apparently I have low oestradial (I'm not sure how low - he gave me a number over the phone and I instantly forgot it). I don't really know what that means or if there's anything they can do (as well as with the low progesterone). Google has made me very scared though Sad.

bananafish81 · 10/10/2015 01:32

Newleaf Thank you so so much, your words mean a lot, and I’m really touched. I v v much hope none of you ladies ends up at IVF, and you get your BFPs very soon. It is a big step, but we felt excited once we knew we were on that road, as it felt like we were doing everything we could to try and take a step closer to hopefully one day becoming parents.

Vap Thank you also. Well, thank you to you all, I so appreciate your support. I also have a temp dip prior to ovulation, but I don’t think it’s a case of it ‘should’ dip - the TCOYF (Taking charge of your fertility) book says it’s by no means a reliable indication that O is on its way, and neither should it be a cause for concern if it doesn’t dip. The thing that matters is getting the temp rise after O - everything else is mostly academic really. I can massively recommend the book, I found it really helped me get to grips with charting. Although without OPKs I wouldn’t have had any clue I was gearing up to ovulate, as my crappy oestrogen levels mean I’ve never had anything remotely approaching EWCM! The book basically says temping isn’t any good for indicating ovulation is approaching - but it does confirm if it happened after the fact (and helps you to understand your cycles).

I think you’re doing so amazingly well since the m/c - I so admire your strength. I know it’s understandably massively stressful, and all you want is for your body to reset itself, but I think it’s entirely normal for cycles to be a bit wonky for a little while after a m/c/

Badleg awesome news about the high! Get in there missus Smile The CBFM has been a bit of a waste of money for me, in that apart from my Clomid cycle, I’ve never got a ‘high’ reading - it’s gone straight from Low to Peak, so caught us on the hop! Makes sense given I don’t have any EWCM and crappy lining - the High reading is if the pee sticks pick up rising levels of oestrogen, before the LH surge (which is what OPKs detect, and when you get a Peak reading). My low oestrogen means there’s too little for it to pick anything up - so only picks up the LH surge. Which is what cheapie OPKs do, so the dual hormone doodah ended up being a waste of money for me. Although given my shitty lining, it’s v unlikely I’ll magically get a natural BFP in between IVF cycles, although we’ll still try regardless….a girl can dream, right?!

Flatwhite you’ve got it in one about DH and the sample. I really do feel for the blokes - even though as DH said ‘I’ve been training for this since I was a teenager!’, it’s such an incredibly high pressure and unnatural situation. We have been all over the place, but we’ve taken stock, talked it all through, and we’re feeling on a bit more of an even keel - well, until the next speed bump!! And you’re absolutely right about the eggs, I keep trying to remind myself that getting any eggs at all was expected to be the biggest - and most difficult - hurdle - lining and fertilisation should be much more easily surmountable, so I do have much to be positive about (even if I can’t always see that!)

To answer your question about the lining - yes, there’s lots that can be done. By doing a medicated FET (frozen transfer) ovulation is removed from the equation, and medications are given to build the lining up to a sufficient thickness. As it’s oestrogen (produced by the growing follicle, with levels rising as ovulation approaches) that builds the lining up in a natural cycle, that’s what I’ll take to get the same result in preparation for transfer. Basically, it’s various forms of HRT - so oestrogen pills, possibly patches as well, and if necessary oestrogen injections. The transfer isn’t scheduled until the lining is satisfactory - unlike in a natural or stimulated cycle, as ovulation is taken out of the equation, you can keep taking oestrogen for as long as is needed.

Sorry you’re having a scare about your oestrodial results - were they your day 3 bloods? If so, low oestrogen is good - it’s supposed to be low at Day 3, so having low levels at the start of the cycle is a good thing, not a bad thing. If it was abnormally high (outside the reference range) for that point in your cycle, that would usually be flagged. So unless they’ve actually confirmed there’s something going on, I would honestly try not to stress about it in the mean time. Dr Google is super scary, as I well know from Googling, ooh, every 5 minutes? But if it was something to worry about, your actual Dr would or will let you know, and advise a plan of action if there is something not quite right. Re: progesterone, what has your GP said about your levels? It is possible to take additional luteal phase progesterone support - I have boxes of progesterone pessaries (which can go either front or back - not especially nice, but they do a job!) for after transfer, as IVF messes with progesterone. But they can be prescribed if progesterone levels are problematic - might be worth asking your GP what they’d recommend for you…?

Have fabulous weekends ladies xx

scienceteachergeek · 11/10/2015 14:37

Thanks guys. The scan you can see is of my baby, not my fibroid Smile It was pretty crazy and amazing!

Fibroid is 3am wide, they're going to keep an eye on it as it wasn't there 4 months ago when I had all my scans before the clomid started.

MIL was a little reserved when we told her as she was concerned we hadn't waited the 12 weeks. We tried to assure her that the woman said that as we've seen a healthy heartbeat etc we didn't have to wait. Told DH's two brothers and their wives who gave much better reactions! I've made gifts for my mum and sister to tell them.

Banana, I can't believe how brave you're being, incredible.
Badleg, get tactical shagging!
Newleaf, good luck with the braces. I had a mate who did that before.
Flat, keep away from Google!
Vap, I hope your sticks start showing something soon. Looks like you're doing a good job with the temps.
Newleaf, anything to report?

My news is that I feel sick, all day, every single day! My app assures me that I have ONLY 5-6 weeks left of the nausea though! Some days I come home from work and look so bloated that I look a few months gone!

Hope you've all had a great weekend and the christenings went well xxx

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Vap0 · 12/10/2015 07:41

Hi science I like the sound of the gift you're making for your family. What ideas do you have? How lovely that they will have that momento!
Christening went well! Hilarious actually as the 3yo had a total meltdown when the vicar asked if she liked water. Screaming as though we were going to drown her in the font! Haha! Brilliant!
On the temping front, today temp has dipped more which is pretty textbook for ovulation day but my line didn't get any darker. I kept poas every time I went to the loo but it just stayed the same and last night disappeared again. Had loads of ewcm yesterday afternoon. Dtd last night, sat morning and evening. We have done what we can and if I ovulated then great we have done it at the right time. But it is looking very much like last month where the line was not very dark and so probably haven't ovulated. Will have to wait now and see if my temp spikes over the next couple of days. Think I just don't have enough hormones for all of this to work although with all of Friday's tears you would think I had plenty of hormones

How has everyone else's weekend been?

Vap0 · 12/10/2015 07:43

P.s. science 5-6 weeks, yuck! Are you actually sick or just feeling sick? I hear it's a good sign to feel sick, not that that's much consolation at the min.

Badleg · 12/10/2015 09:35

Morning all. Had a busy weekend moving my horse to a new yard and doing all the usual things. I have today off as just didn't get everything done I needed too. So busy I forgot to poas yesterday but today I did and my cbfm said high again (not peak which is 3 bars). As for Dtd my husband is working long hours doing 6 days a week and I lost him sat night to bed! But last night jumped him.

science I love the idea of a gift to give your family. A family friends son gave her a Christmas card a few months back and inside was a note saying it wasn't just Santa who was coming and a scan pic her new grandchild is due on Christmas Day after a long time of trying.

birchygoo · 12/10/2015 16:15

well hello - sorry for awol, I have been so snowed down with work and with not having the ap any longer I only ever get on during work hours. Is the app up and running again does anyone know?

I have caught up with all your posts - did take me about 45 min :-/ so sorry i am not going to respond to them all individually (plus you will be all moved on since then as well). I loved your posts and it has reminded me how much support I have been going without when I havent been logging on. Im sorry some of you are having to deal with insensitive people as well.

For me I am on my last (of 3 months) of clomid - cd8 today. Have next fertility appointment in Nov, so will know by then if it hasn't worked. Next step is laproscopy. In my area we only get one round of IVF and so I dont want to have to get to that stage mainly as I think the pressure of having to have it work on the one round will be much too high.

Would be lovely to get a BFP before xmas though! For us all!!

scienceteachergeek · 12/10/2015 18:47

Christening sounds fun!

I've attached a pic of the gift I'm going to give to my mum and sister 2 weeks today. They can change the number every Saturday if they so wish.

I told my SIL when she asked me if I wanted a cup of tea. I whipped out the scan pic and said "I hope you've got decaf". Bless her, she got a bit upset. Her children, my niece and nephews got very excited. After a few minutes my 8yr old nephew said, "Hang on, how did it get there?!"

I'm hoping to find a fun way of telling one of my close friends who has been in the loop a few months.

The sickness has been a little easier today, which I'm obviously neurotically worrying about! Not actually physically been sick but just feel nauseous most of the day.

Birchy will they give you more clomid? I was going to be given another 3months supply but double the dose. I'm sure in the UK we're allowed 6 months supply.

Would you be my Infertility/Clomid/Follicle tracking friend please?!
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Badleg · 13/10/2015 07:42

This morning I got peak on my cbfm! Eeeek and my husband had already left for work. This evening will be fine won't it???

Vap0 · 13/10/2015 07:59

Good sign badleg I'm sure it will be fine as you usually ovulate 12-24 hours after the peak I think. Did you dtd last night?

scienceteachergeek · 13/10/2015 08:02

Great news badleg. I always ovulated the day after the peak. Get him tonight and tomorrow!

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birchygoo · 13/10/2015 13:28

science i loveee your gifts! such a fab idea!!

Im not sure about the clomid - Iguess next step is a laproscopy and go from there as if my tubes are damaged there is nothing clomid will do to help that. I seen a GP who I dont normally see last week for a different reason and he told me that he used to work under the doctor who is treating my fertility care and that laproscopy have a great success rate - so it did give me a little boost that it will work for me. Im not really holding out for anything this month with the clomid.

Badleg - you normally ovulate 12-24 hours after peak and then egg lives for a few hours as well (possibly egg lives up to 36 hours after peak I think I read) so tonight will be fine!

I'm bridesmaid next Sept - so if I get pregnant this month that would be fine. If it was next month or month after I would possibly be giving birth on or around the wedding. Would you stop trying for those months or would you still continue. The bride would totally understand if I was pregnant she is aware of all we are going through but I would feel bad if I wasn't able to be there for her day.

bananafish81 · 13/10/2015 14:56

Birchy - have you had a HSG? Is there a reason they would recommend a lap and dye before a less invasive tubal patency test? Wishing you all the very best and hope these clomid cycles are the ones! Xx