Gunman on the run in Tyneside

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Maybe we should just shoot everyone who gets a long prison term?

He shot himself.

If a person chooses to end their own life for whatever reason then its up to them.

Reporters are saying that it may have been the tazer gun that caused him to shoot himself, rather than just him shooting himself. Not sure what I believe TBH. The news footage of him yelling out is chilling. His poor family having to listen to that.

well whether it was the tazer or not he had a gun to his head all night so the thought had obviously crossed his mind

The media are suggesting all kinds of things right now. I'm beginning to to think they are somewhat cynically spinning this tragedy out to serve their own ends.

These are legitimate queries they are raising of course, regarding the process of the investigation, the delay in finding Moat, the tazer guns etc, but surely these points will all be addressed in due time, through the proper processes?

The Media have a vested interest in keeping this story current and controversial. The truth us, for the general public, it's over now. For the families of all those involved who have been and are going through hell, of course, it's still very current.

I think it's time the reporters took a step back now and let the process take it's course.

I'm also concerned that there are some very sick people out there who believe Moat was the victim in all of this, that Sam Stoppard deserved what she got, that policemen and women are legimate targets who hounded a 'good man' to his death.

This media speculation quite possibly gives these idiots some sort of credibility and I wonder if it might place the real victims of this tragedy in unneccesary danger?

I'm sad at the outcome. I would rather he had faced justice than died as some kind of martyr/legend/hero to some very unsavoury folk. Horrible.

I hope not.

bollocks, so many mistakes in that post, should've previewed

"I'm also concerned that there are some very sick people out there who believe Moat was the victim in all of this, that Sam Stoppard deserved what she got, that policemen and women are legimate targets who hounded a 'good man' to his death."

Yes, there seem so many and I have no idea why. The people who took him in when the police were looking for him, the people who delivered various notes etc, Gazza....why on earth do these people not look at him and seee a killer? As his mum did?

I thought the yelling out was police-officers calling out that they were armed?

There were 2 Tasers fired according to recent reports.

RE his cult status, I think it's quite sick though can understand why Gazza with his own history of violence towards women might have thought Moat was just a good geezer.

rules of engagement

Well going off what his friends and family have said, you hear the shots, then him yelling at the police, then the police shouting at him.

I have mutual friends on FB who knew him and they have said it was his voice

though that might be American, not sure?

The person working at the supermarket checkout today told me that she blamed the poor girl for the shooting of the policeman saying that she shouldn't have said that her new boyfriend was one.

WTF? I had to counter saying that Samantha really had been let down quite spectacularly by the people who were supposed to protect her and that she will never again know a moments peace should she recover.

It's desperately sad all round without people trying to apportion blame to the real victims.

It doesn't surprise me at all that people want to blame the victim of this man for what he did.

There is a massive reluctance to blame men for their own behaviour - people always want to blame women for men's behaviour for some reason.

If SS hadn't existed, they would doubtless be blaming his mother. Anyone but him.

And actually it was a very good idea of hers to tell him that she was seeing a police officer. For most men, that would keep them away. How was she to know he was even madder and more dangerous than she knew he was? What should she have done, meekly accepted that he was going to come and kill her (like the 2 women a week who are killed by their partners or exes) and not even try to have a survival plan?

I don't think this story would have got half the coverage had a policeman not been shot.

His ex is a victim of it all, I can't believe people are blaming her!

I've spoken to someone tonight who said (he's a guy btw) that she shouldn't have told him when he was in jail that she was shagging someone else....

I couldn't even begin to put a counter argument together, I just can't believe someone thinks like that.

Ignorant misogyny is the phrase.

They had some bloke from the Evening Chronicle who'd done a story on Moat a few years ago, saying he was just an 'ordinary' man.

He actually said Moat only had one charge and 12 arrests and for a 37 year old that wasn't too extraordinary. He seems to have totally missed the fact that he shot 3 people, one of them at point blank range in the back of the head.

''I've spoken to someone tonight who said (he's a guy btw) that she shouldn't have told him when he was in jail that she was shagging someone else....''

Well he was probably right - being told by your other half you are shagging someone else whilst you are in prison is likely to fuck that person up a bit .. not the best thing to say to someone in prison

However not an excuse to shoot someone.

But she's not responsible for his head CaptainUnderpants.

If she'd had years of putting up with his abuse and then having to visit him in prison, she was probably desperate to make it clear to him that when he came out of prison, there was absolutely no chance of re-igniting the relationship. For control freak abusers like Moat, the only thing that will generally keep them away from a woman, is the knowledge that another man "owns" her (because that's how these abusers think). For her own safety, she pretended the new "owner" was a police officer, the one category of rival that a criminal might figure it's best not to enter into competition with.

She had every right to tell him th relationship was over and she was in a new relationship and she was not responsible for his feelings on being told that news.

He was. It cannot be stressed enough, people are responsible for their own feelings as well as their own actions. One of the major reasons there is so much violence against women in our society, is because men are brought up to not take responsibility for their feelings, which leads to responsibility for your actions. We pay lip service to the latter, but we don't even discuss the former, in the main.

I think you will find that amongst the prison fraternity being told whilst serving a term that your parner is seeing someone else is a no no.

I agree she is not repsonsible what goes on in his head but and what he does is ultimately down to him.

I have no sympathy for him and as I said it is no excuse for him to shoot her .

TBH I don't see why she should allow her actions to be dictated by the prison fraternity.

I would be horrified and trapped, if the values of a bunch of criminals were supposed to guide my actions.

But then, that's what the victims of people like Moat are - trapped.

well said HerBeatitude, personally I can't see when would have been a good time to tell him!

Exactly ! - Never a good time to tell a bloke like that - but a better time to tell him other then when he is in prison, it would (and did) truely fuck up a bloke like that.

If you did it that way and your partner was a steriod taking possessive physcio - what better way to make him suffer !

I am not making excuses for him and as I keep repeating it is no excuse to shoot someone .

Raoul Moat was "fucked up" well before he got anywhere near the prison. I should think there's ample evidence of that.