Well done Belgium. Veil banned

[Nuttybear]

I fully support this. Really wish the liberals would put aside there protection of these men and free the women here. I vote for bring the same law here. I despise the veil and all it stands for. I saw a woman trip and fall because she could not see the kerb!!! Her husband/uncle/dad then had to guide her over the next kerb. I saw them again in the supermarket I so wanted to throw eggs at him but it would only make her plight worse. I know a minority want to wear the veil. Well, there are countries that support that decision. I know it might make matter worse for some but there must be a stand to free these women of this 13th century habit. Wearing of the veil is not in the Koran. All for modest dress, if you so wish but, unable to look around your world freely is wrong.

Actually I do find this quite emotive, the oppression of women goes against the feminist movement in this country that fought, and is still fighting, to get us equality. These veil wearing women take us back decades with their submissive stance.

Alouiseg, banning perfectly permissible freedoms in an effort to control terrorism is a bit counter-intuitive, and will surely be ineffective. I don't think that makes sense.

I'm not dictating anything to anyone Riven. I'm just saying how it makes me feel when I see a woman with her face covered. I can't see why anyone would choose a mode of dress that would put up barriers to communication.

takethatlady It obviously isn't seen by the Government as a "perfectly permissible freedom" if they are planning to ban it.

posieparker, I agree that women's freedom is crucially important. So women should be able to choose to wear a veil if they want, and we shouldn't treat them like silly children unable to make up their own minds. And we could say the same thing about women who work in strip clubs, or women who publish (or even read) women-hating magazines which focus unhealthily on the female body - surely they all hold back the feminist cause? Education and debate on the issue (like this one) are fine, and consonant with your view of freedom. But banning is not.

I don't know what you mean about Christianity not being synonymous with the West. I never said it was - it was an example.

Ah, the usual attention seekers I see.

Alouiseg, no, you're right, it obviously isn't permissible in Belgium anymore. But it's not going to do anything about terrorist activity - so I was just saying that argument doesn't follow, IMO.

I do say the same about strippers....I am quite consistent.

Who said anything about terrorist activity????

That's nice moondog !

"Let the poor fools wear veils" isn't that rather insulting and personal. Your argument is floored and so is your arguing technique. No rationalisation or intelligence. Oh right I think the bnp are calling, they look for people just like you it's my country and they should act like us and all of that

some places already ask people to remove their motorcycle helmets before entering. Hoodies are banned in some shopping centres. If 'hoddies' started wearing balaclavas, I think there would certainly be political debate about banning them

those are all privately owned spaces eg Bluewater. if our government wanted to ban wearing certain items because you might be committing a crime, a woud oppose that very strongly indeed.

WHy are nations queuing up to dispose of freedoms in a time of peace, which were won at a high cost in a time of war?

to ban something a minortiy of a groupd of epople do, in the name of getting on btter with that group of people is counter-prodctive n the extreme. tolerance fosters harmony, banning things fuels opposition.

Sorry - I have run away with myself there - you said the more extreme practices of Islam (which obviously does not include terrorism) - I just don't know what you mean by that. I assumed, wrongly, that that was what you were referring to. But I think a policy of a government trying to deter people coming to live in it on the basis of their religion is discriminatory and that banning practices that do not infringe on anybody's civil liberties will not deter 'extreme practices' which, presumably, do.

You said it eggyallenpoe

"Why are nations queuing up to dispose of freedoms in a time of peace, which were won at a high cost in a time of war?"

Look at who we are at war with!

CsgedBird....now that's it I must hate immigrants if I want to see a tolerant society, which generally copes better without extremes.

takethatlady Maybe because these are just words on a page you couldn't read my expression. Rather like wearing a veil iyswim?

Ha ha posieparker - we can only have a tolerant society by excluding those we don't like. Ha ha ha.

I am actually disgusted that there are so many people supporting this law - a law that could only have been pushed through to please the fearful and hateful.

On another thread, every single mumsnetter that replied supporte a young gils right to wear goth attire - attire that would set her apart from others, and possibly cause some to judge her.

They supported her right to wear what she liked, and not to have to justify it to her parents.

Why should Belgian women who wish to wear a facial covering have to justify it to their government?

If anyne on this thread cares so much for womens rights - perhaps they should go and help a women charity, one that deals the the victims of male oppression actively, rather than idlly cavilling against s piece of cloth.

Alouiseg, it was nothing to do with your expression. I wasn't questioning your attitude to what you said. I still don't know what you mean by Muslim 'extreme practices'. What are they? You can explain this to me in words. It isn't reliant on gestures.

If wearing a face covering veil (with a post box slit for the eyes) against the culture of the UK in a comparative way as wearing skin revealing clothes is against the culture of traditionally muslim countries?

Well said, EggyAllanPoe