Man shot dead in Stockwell unconnected to terror inquiry

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Just seen a ticker on the BBC website saying that

No edodgy. Large areas of the brain are still not known to 'work', basically all our daily tasks are controlled by small parts of the brain. To die, either an artery needs to be hit, or more immediately the area of the brain which controls heartbeat and breathing.

Apparently, survival after 3 shots in the head has been known.

ahh right, cheers Flossam.

Or maybe he didn't. Maybe it was a mistake.

I come back to my point that I was, sadly, not surprised when he turned out to be innocent.

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HMo2, i disagree. Given that i am a citizen of this country and less relevantly have always lived in london (until 2 years ago in Tulse Hill), given that I vote, given that I am policed by these people I think it is absolutely my right to judge, not so much the individual policeman, but a policy and orders given that lead to this action.

Sophable, 'Pinned him down and not shot him'?

How happy would you be for your dh to have to do that knowing that he could have been a suicide bomber about to kill himself?

It is easy for us to talk about it now, in the safety of our own homes/offices. This was the most awful mistake and there needs to be a full and open enquiry. We need to make sure that this doesn't happen again. But pinning a suicide bomber down doesn't stop him pressing the trigger and blowing himeself up, it just adds to the bloody carnage.

I agree Dinosaur.

Think its time for me to leave this thread, it looks as though I'll be taking the tube for the first time since last week to work later, and have managed to calm myself down nicely - don't want to work myself back up again!

Have a good day, Flossam

Interesting to see that some people's views are shifting as the police story shifts. FWIW my initial reaction was 'oh no, I really hope this isn't another Harry Stanley' (ie innocent person shot in error) then more and more concern as details slowly emerged, each one weakening the police justification.

The Evening Standard (London's local paper for those of you outside town) is saying there are 3,000 armed police on the streets today. After Stockwell, that makes me more afraid, not less.

it seems as if we can make all sorts of assumptions about the man shot: that there is more to it than meets the eye? that somehow he deserved it as he didn't stop etc etc. but none about the officers doing the shooting: it is possible isn't it, that there was an element of gung ho, i'm in the sweeney and about to save the world-ness going on?

i'm not saying that is likely, but seems as if that is not a possibility to countenance unlike the assertion that this brasilian man somehow deserved his fate, or at the very least that he was responsible for the fact that he is dead.

sorry, but the police are not a holy cow to me, i feel able to criticise as well as applaud them (and I do applaud them).

Ok Flossam thanks for the discussion. Hope work goes ok. xx

dinosaur, possibly because if they had people would have been saying, 'They shot him and he hadn't even gone on the tube'. It think this is one of those awful 'no- win situations' for the police and the rest of us.

"But pinning a suicide bomber down doesn't stop him pressing the trigger and blowing himeself up,"

So if he can set it off while being pinned down - surely he had plenty of opportunity to press the trigger while running??? Or before being pinned down?

HM2: as we now know, he wasn't an immediate threat to anyone

I know this might seem radical, but perhaps they could have just 'arrested' him, when sat on top of him, rather than BLOWING HIS BRAINS OUT!

I honestly cannot accept that you cannot establish fairly reasonable that someone doesn't have a bomb about their person when you are sat on them!

I don't think that the police (or anyone else for that matter) are abouve reproach. I think there should be an enquiry about this.

But what I do know is that pinning a suicide bomber down doen't make the risk of explosion go away! I wouldn't my dh to have to try to detain suicide bombers unarmed....how do you think they could stop a real on?

They often have a triger in their hand, pinning him down wouldn't stip him pressing a trigger in his hand.

If I was a policeman and asked to sit on someone likely to blow himself up I'd be tempted to ask the person asking me to do it in my place IYSWIM!

I'm still here

I think the police have to be so careful - they could do a knee jerk reaction to this poor man and then if the bombings continue police officers will die. It is all just such a sad situation.

good for you flossam. still here and hopefully not feeling personally attacked??

"They often have a triger in their hand, pinning him down wouldn't stip him pressing a trigger in his hand. "

(sorry sound like a stuck record now) So why didn't he detonate it before they pinned him down? He was chased from the front of the station all the way down to the train - plenty of time to press it..

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Not today Sophable. I have my crash helmet on and am covered from head to toe in attractive green foam