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Black and asian people now allowed to join the BNP. Oh please please PLEASE

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heQet · 15/02/2010 10:39

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Oh I would LOVE to see each and every single non-white british person join the BNP, turn up to all the meetings, vote in the AGM, maybe overthrow the leadership and take control of the BNP.

It would be WONDERFUL.

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Lulumama · 20/02/2010 13:38

and it's racist and bgiotd, so people can use their freedom of speech to call you on it

daftpunk · 20/02/2010 13:40

Lulumama; Did you say you were Jewish..?

Lulumama · 20/02/2010 13:41

yes i did.

daftpunk · 20/02/2010 13:55

Are you following the Dubai assassination story...?

KimiGaveUpStarbucks4Lent · 20/02/2010 13:58

I have met some black people I did not like, some gay people I did not like, some men, some women, some fat people, some children, some old people some young people, some of various religions, I have often met people I did not like, but it was not because they were black, gay, fat or what ever it was because in most cases they were not nice people.

You are allowed to dis like people, but I have met people of all races, colours, religions, sexual orientations, genders, sizes, ages that I have got on really well with and have become really good friends with.

You can not dis like a whole section of people it makes no scence what so ever.

The BNP are a bit on the mad side TBH

Lulumama · 20/02/2010 14:02

DP, if you are going to use the fact i am jewish as a way to perpetuate your own beliefs, then forget it. i might be jewish, but it does not mean i am a zionist, or a political activist for israel.

i think i can guess where you are going with this , DP, and i don't appreciate it.

judaism and zionism are not synonymous

there are plenty of things within my religion i do not agree with

however, a very learned rabbi was once asked to sum up the essence of the torah and the religion, this is what he said
"do unto others as you would have done to you"

that is how i live my life, regardless of my religion.

that is how everyone should live

daftpunk · 20/02/2010 14:06

I wasn't going anywhere with it...

I just find it really interesting (if that's the right word) and would love to give you my views on it...

But I wont....

Lulumama · 20/02/2010 14:16

ok, i misunderstood you,

you can give me your views on whatever you like

i am fairly confident i won't agree with them

awful things are perpertrated in the name of religion all teh time

does not mean every person of that religion is wicked and murderous etc

anyway, as i posted before, i think everyone shold 'do unto others as they would have done..'

don't really think there is much point carrying on this thread though, for me. you've got your beliefs, i've got mine, they will never co-incide

seeker · 20/02/2010 14:36

"If say anything verbally out of line you are called a racist, homophobic bigot. That, in itself is a form of fascism. I feel trapped, unable to speake out in my own country."

I've got the solution. Don't say things that are racist or homophobic. The no one will call you a bigot. Simple

daftpunk · 20/02/2010 14:55

You're telling me to shut up, to say nothing...?

slightlystressed · 20/02/2010 15:10

"that now seems to be against MN law...you can only post on threads if you're not called daftpunk."

But you are allowed to post are you not? Nobody is stopping you or banning you, if you come on a thread stating you are a BNP activist, you know damn well that its going to upset people.

You are entitled to your opinions but others are equally entitled to question them.

daftpunk · 20/02/2010 15:28

"nobody is stopping or banning you"

Enough people are trying....

And have been trying for months.... long before I said I was a BNP activist..

A few posters wanted me banned just because I started a thread about liberals wanting homosexuality taught in faith schools....my "crime" was disagreeing with that...

sarah293 · 20/02/2010 15:43

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nighbynight · 20/02/2010 15:51

Actually, I think dp has a point. Name-calling, and scaring people into shutting up, is not freedom of speech.
Engage with what dp says (yes, I know many people have done) rather than slinging names like "bigot" at her.

Your reasoned arguments may not change her mind. Live with it and dont sink to slinging insults.

junglistwaspoorendof · 20/02/2010 16:35

I don't agree with these views at all. DP I remember you being on a thread quite a while back where you were disagreeing with a BNP voter. What happened? I'm genuinely interested.
FWIW I was also raised Catholic but believe homosexuality is natural, love is natural, full stop. The BNP also don't represent the working class. Those who are genuinely working class in inner city areas should have experience enough of other cultures to not hold these views.

daftpunk · 20/02/2010 16:40

I remember that BNP thread, it was a name-changer (and a troll..I think.?) I said if they couldn't admit they supported the BNP in their usual name then they should shut up....

Why do you think I said that..?

daftpunk · 20/02/2010 16:43

Haven't got time for you to reply...(need to go out soon)

I'll tell you why I said that...because I was already being drawn towards the BNP and didn't want it associated with loony trolls, plus I have no time for cowards...

daftpunk · 23/02/2010 12:33

Peachy, Sorry, I don't think I've still got your email addy. Unless I add M'netters onto MSN I don't keep their details..

I just wanted to link you a few things re; that meeting you're going to soon...I want you to go there with an open mind and with a few facts behind you....

link 1

Link 1)...People don't like being lied to peachy, they don't like being labelled "racist and thick" just because they have issues with immigration. When all this info started to become public, people reacted, and some of that reaction resulted in people voting BNP.

link 2

Link 2) ... It's a myth that the BNP only attract "white scum" ....there will be 1000's of non-whites who will now join the BNP for their own motives.

Just want to add one last thing.

The BNP are not just about immigration and homosexuality ...these are the two issues most people focus on. The BNP will get tough on criminals and I mean tough.
"white scum" and any other scum will be dealt with properly. People in this county, and I'm talking people of all races and religions, are sick of criminals getting an easy ride. The justice system is heavily loaded in the criminals favour, and that has been brought about by all the bloody liberal "human rights" crap. Do you know there's a police force in the UK handing out questionaires asking if the criminal felt all his needs were meet..?...Someone has just attacked another person and the police are supposed to worry about how the criminal is treated and feeling..?

There are so many reasons why people vote BNP....don't fall into the trap that most people fall into....

Don't forget peachy, NG is the son of a tory, the BNP are really just the conservatives on speed.

PeachyPeachyEverPreachy · 23/02/2010 13:34

Erm

what have I ever said to make you think I am falling into any trap, DP? I've been invovled with poltics over 20 years now, I am quite able to make my own decisions and have come across enough 'traps' to spot them a mile off, ta.

I have already told you I am going to the meeting with an open mind; that means not reading any propaganda put about by BNP about the group as well as not taking everything they say at face value.

And it isn't just about whites and homosexuality you are right.... but I am perhaps most scared otherwise by what it isn't about: where are the comprehensive policies on SEN, carers, ? Their entire qwelfare policy (just read it this very minute, I do my research) is focussed on fighting peoples fears about scroungers: welfare to work. What about all those people already in low paid jobs, carers, too ill? Who cares about them if a soundbite about scroungers will attract the BNP potential voters eh?

The housing policy- make length of residency on an area the key criteria. WTF? We moved here 5 years ago, but we don't have residency anwhere else where should we go if our landlord decides to sell? We're not mobile: we're dependant on a network of SNU's. The policy seems to be worded again to make people ythhink oh Ai those bloody immigrants./.... well it would hit a lot of people like me hard, a lot of people who moved to follow jobs and family and then lost a job or whatever. Carer moves to care for aging parent, loses job as a result, doesn't have entitlement to tenancy on the parents HA house (some areas have none, some minimum ten year residency)nah can't get housing you've only lived here 6 months.

Grammar schools? Oh yes great equalisers! For kids like my Dad (15th of 16) who aced the test but couldn't afford the uniform. They worked last time didn't they? Kids like me, so much bad stuff at home hat they underperformed hugely but managed to really make a go of it when they stood a fighting chance. Grammar Schools are, as far as I can see from the council houses where I grew up, a form of enforcement of class segragation based on parental aspirations far too early for the childs own to have developed.

Reversal of plans to close Sn schools has been widely pledged buut where is the inclusion policy? Most kids don't fall into SNU territory. Racism failing young white boys?? When?

Increase in Christian Assemblies? We've had this recently: there is now so little time in the curriculum that the stuff that really could help- extra reading, social skills for struggling kids- has all been pulled, it has been a disaster.

NHS was wonderful for decades but a recent laughing stock- incredibly not my experience as a worker tehre in the nineties: we were advised at nurse school to get out as there were no jobs then (in 1992)- most of us did. How is that different to now? Yet the service I receive now for my children is far superior to what I witnessed being offered then.

Pictures on the front page of equality commission (witness the black man, no white people interested in equality oh no) V NG alongside a boxing ring.... WTF? Welcome in oh ye people who aren't white but here look at this imagery, bet it makes you feel really welcome doesn't it?

DP you seem to want to convert me. I am not going to attemot to liberalise you, however I am an educated, informed, liberal woman with a very real interest in human rights and disability awareness: the BNP ain't gonna cut it for me. Nobody right now is cutting it for me with perfe3ction, but the BNP least of all.

And there are a few good ideas on there; putting funds back into council house provision, for example. But where will the new houses be built? And nothing is fleshed out. No decent policy on welfare and the NHS can be written in that short space. That's people lives they are playing with, I just get the general feeling that the people who run the BNP and many of those who vote for them see the people who will be affected as different from them, different = scary and scary = hide it away in a corner. Which I suggest would pretty much sum up what would happen to kids with SEN / SN and anyone who doesn't fit the narrow societal ideal held by the BNP.

And as for all the immigration scams crap- FGS. yes they exist, no not everyone who is immigrant is here on one. Asylum is an incredibly important thing to offer, we already have a dodgy definition of what constitutes a real need and send people back to danger, why would I ever wish to make it worse?I want to see asylum policy guided by those I respect most- Amnesty, Libertty- and have a very real knowledge of teh field, not a bunch of suited mouthpieces from any party, and triply not a bunch of suited mouthpieces who think it is OPK to shove the word scam randomly after the use of the word immigration: beleive it or not they are separate words.

MArried man's allowance? What about all those months I was the rbeadwinner when DH was ill years ago? Was my work not so valid then?

Eliminationg multicultural spending? Well I suppose that would increase racial tension as the work to integrate communities falls away: I wonder how much of what I see as essential human work (eg asylum support centres) would fall under that broad multiculturalism definition?

So there, that's my take on it all. I don't are what you support, it is your absolute right, but if you honestly expect me to guive any credence or time to their complaints that seem forever to be on the lines of oooh Miss X is picking on me / white men / white women, nah. I will instead read polcies, stas and attend meetings to find out for myself.

PreachyPeachyRantsALot · 23/02/2010 13:39

Thought that earned me a new posting name LOL

Kaloki · 23/02/2010 13:56

The only thing I disagree on is grammar schools, but that's a whole other thread.

daftpunk · 23/02/2010 14:11

Peachy..I'm not trying to convert you... do you think I'd waste my time trying to convert anyone on MN..?...I know it's full of women and women are all liberals...

...well, most of them anyway.

All I'm trying to do is get you to understand that not all BNP supportes are white...there are ethnic minorities in this country who are far more anti-muslim than any indigenous white person will ever be....so all this "the BNP only appeal to thick white people"...is rubbish.

And I know you know your stuff...

PuzzleRocks · 23/02/2010 14:16

Peachy - I was very fortunate to attend a grammar. But as Kaloki says that is another thread. Other than that I roundly applaud your post.

Daftpunk - I concur. Racists come in all creeds and colours.

SpeedyGonzalez · 23/02/2010 20:43

"Enjoy the fascist world you're creating for yourself speedy.."

DP. You are currently playing the same silly games that I have repeatedly witnessed BNP leaders playing, which make them come across as oleaginous, uneducated and unthinking (i.e. greasy and pretty stupid). It does not benefit anyone to play these games. All politicians play like this (I note that earlier in this thread you were eager to draw a distinction between the 'honesty' of BNP politicians and others ) but the BNP do it far less cleverly than the rest of them.

You also clearly don't understand what 'fascism' means. See below.

"fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Show Spelled[fash-iz-uhm] ?noun

  • A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

Is this what I've done to you on this thread? I have asked you questions (pretty much none of which you've answered) about your values and beliefs. Does that fit into the above definition of 'fascism'? What about the 'aggressive nationalism and often racism' bit - doesn't that sound more BNP than anything else?

You have said in previous threads that you don't personally know any gay, black, Asian or Muslim people. And yet you claim to know SO much about us. And you expect people to take your opinions seriously?

ROFL.

daftpunk · 24/02/2010 10:44

Speedy;

I didn't call you a fascist, I said enjoy the fascist world you are creating.

You have described fascism as "forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism"...

..people want me banned because I don't agree with them...if that isn't a form of suppression I don't know what is...?

I started a thread a few weeks ago about the equality bill. I'm not happy that some MP's want faith schools describing homosexuality as normal and natural, I don't happen to think it's either.
On that thread I was attacked for my opinions, opinions I'm obviously not allowed to have....another form of supression took place.

A poster who I had previously had a lot of respect for kept coming on the thread and posting "troll" ...she made a complete arse of herself and I have now placed her firmly in the sub-prime section of M'netters.

I have been called revolting and smarmy just because I said I like someone...what the hell was that all about..?

And yes, I know NG lies, all politicians lie, it's the nature of the job, but he is honest in what he wants for this country. You know, if NG looked like Johnny Depp he'd have alot more support, that's how superficial most voters are..why do you think the Labour party are grooming David Miliband as next leader..? don't kid yourself that people are only interested in policies, politics is just as much about image and style. The only reason Neil Kinnock lost the 92' election was because he fell over on the beach...(and one or two other reasons)

Y'know speedy, Even politicians have admitted not all BNP voters are racist, if MP's can see it why can't you..?

I don't think I can take anymore tbh..it's really hard sometimes reading posts describing me as revolting and vile....there's only one of me and 100 of you > ...

..it's all getting too much for me.

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