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Number 10 petition to criminalise men who buy sex

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policywonk · 27/01/2010 17:03

Sign here if, you know, you want to

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ILIVEONBENEFITS · 11/02/2010 01:37

It's a pity that when they consider these sort of things that they don't think about male prostitutes and "escort" services (male and female) perhaps they ought to ban any types of transaction where someone is paid to carry out any kind of "personal " service for anyone else.

Of course that might include au pairs, nannies etc etc but it would be worth it to try and stop people being exploited

dittany · 11/02/2010 08:38

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AitchTwoOhOneOh · 11/02/2010 09:45

if you'd read the thread, ilob, you'd see that everyone has said that the legislation should extend to everyone, and a few of have said that from what we understand of the sex trade, the 'male escort' business is really synonymous with rent boys in any case.

i don't believe that punters are philosophical either, tsh, i don't believe i've ever made the claim that they are and i don't understand why you keep mentioning it. they just want to get their cocks wet. it's the fact that they think they should have the right to pay to access someone else's body to do this that i have a problem with, i just fundamentally don't think that this is a humane way to behave.

don't you think that it's odd, btw, that given 85% of prostitutes are foreign, that none of these johns have ever been in contact with a trafficked woman? or do you think (given the scale of the problem, which is enough to keep entire teams of support workers busy in port towns, believe me) they just don't want to think that they have?

TheShriekingHarpy · 11/02/2010 10:13

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AitchTwoOhOneOh · 11/02/2010 10:24

uh-huh? what of it?

AitchTwoOhOneOh · 11/02/2010 10:37

dennis mcshane says 'women are being treated disgustingly in brothels in our country', paxo says 'nobody is denying that'.

it's a report on one minister possibly taking an inflated figure on trafficking to the house of commons, and he stands by the figures, as per amnesty etc. all paxo was interested in was the possible inflation of numbers, he said so himself.

i know my friend, and i know how many calls she gets to attend brothel raids, and how many women she deals with. she is busy, believe me.

your english collective of prostitutes woman, by the way, said that there was a big problem with the way the home office treats women, that i wouldn't deny in any shape or form, they are a bunch of thugs.

as to her thoughts on trafficking, and her figures (she said she'd had two trafficked women only come to her), it's insultingly irrelevant. can you even begin to explain why a woman who has been tricked into coming to this country and then prostituted against her will would even think of identifying herself as a prostitute to seek help from them? it's just ludicrous and offensive. why the fuck would they go to a group who thinks what they've been through was consensual?

dittany · 11/02/2010 18:05

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TheShriekingHarpy · 12/02/2010 08:54

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KinderellaTristabelle · 12/02/2010 11:53

LOL at "insidious contempt".

"Insidious contempt for the opposite sex" because of opposition to the abuse of women. Interesting perspective you have there, one which I think would be very offensive to a lot of men.

Your belief that anything short of allowing men the freedom to buy and sell women is "insidious contempt" for men says it all really.

Anyone notice an "insidious contempt" for women in that?

TSH your repeated failure to maintain a logical argument is telling. Your posts are not only poisonous, but dangerous.

myfriendflicka · 12/02/2010 15:54

Happy to sign. Go Dittany.

dittany · 12/02/2010 19:45

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TheShriekingHarpy · 12/02/2010 20:49

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AitchTwoOhOneOh · 12/02/2010 22:12

what a shocking cherry pick of that piece, tsh.

the next para reads.

"Limited change

Another key benefit of decriminalisation, according to Ms Healy, is a sea change in relations with the police: "If you're the one committing a crime, you won't ask the police for help."

Catherine Healy
Advocate Catherine Healy says the law has empowered sex workers

Now, Ms Healy says, the girls find law enforcement officials are on their side.

This idea was borne out by a parliamentary report last year, which gave a positive assessment of the reform. It said prostitutes were more likely to report violence to police, and officers were treating their complaints seriously.

Some brothel operators, however, are not so sure the reform has made a big difference.

Bon Ton owner Jennifer - who got into the sex business after decriminalisation - says some old-style establishments are still exploiting people. "This is still an industry in transition," she says.

Monique, who ran brothels before 2003 and now owns Capri, a "Gentleman's club and garden bar" in Christchurch, also plays down the impact of the reform - but for the opposite reason.

She says relations with police were good even when bordellos operated illegally. And then, as now, exploitation of girls was never widespread, Monique adds.

"We now have a fat, legal agreement with the workers but they are treated the same." "

soooo, on the one hand, everything is the same and nothing bad ever happened, says monique, but the girls were exploited previously, with fines and sackings, says anne reed, prostitute of some 20 years standing. the other brothel keeper says that the less salubrious establishments still exploit women... so which is true?

girls are more likely to go to the police now in NZ, which is good, but actually, criminalisation OF THE MEN would achieve the same aim.

and seen as you're so keen to engage, tsh, what did you think of dittany's piece on what's happening in australia?

dittany · 12/02/2010 23:05

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dittany · 12/02/2010 23:07

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KinderellaTristabelle · 12/02/2010 23:09

LOL.

You think that Dittany has an issue with all men simply because she has an issue with men abusing women. Do you follow?

You come from a staring point that it is ok to buy and sell people.

You can't see a power differential in that transaction .

You continue to give links to tell us that some prostituted women report being happy, and in the face of overwhelming evidence that legalisation massively increases the worst effects of prostitution and trafficking, you still think that is a logical argument for legalisation!

That's like suggesting that because some people like to be beaten up, so assault/ABH/GBH should be legal. That is definitely illogical.

It sounds to me as though you are simply an apologist for prostitution and that in the pursuit of that goal you fail to deal with the evidence.

Unfortunately comments don't have to be logical to be poisonous or dangerous.

dittany · 12/02/2010 23:18

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AitchTwoOhOneOh · 12/02/2010 23:30

why would you be gobsmacked, dittany?

dittany · 12/02/2010 23:37

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AitchTwoOhOneOh · 12/02/2010 23:46

some of the people working in this area addressed a commons parliamentary committee last year. glasgow is majorly leading the way on this matter, it's something to be hopeful about imo, that the example will be followed.

TheShriekingHarpy · 13/02/2010 01:07

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