Mother 'not clever enough to raise child' has baby snatched by social workers

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What do we think?

I think there were concerns about the amount of time he has been with her (do the sums)

Whatever he is , it's evident he is a crap artist

The child was not 'snatched'.
An order was saught in the court and granted.
None of us here can say whether this woman is capable of caring for a child or not.

PFor me the issue here would not be the learning problems per se, but the refusal to engage and accept support.
I've seen that so many times and it always spells disaster.

"A couple who fled to Ireland after social workers threatened to remove their baby at birth have had the newborn snatched after all. "

Could just mean the sw had talks with the couple in Fife offering support and outlined what could be the possible repercussions of not accepting help.

I presume because they then fled sw have taken the baby away as they are flight risks and have shown they don't want support.

morningpaper i missed that . can you elaborate a bit ?

libras Kerry was told that she'd have her baby taken away from her hours after the birth , thats why they went to ireland.Presumably so they could have a some more precious time with their baby..running only put off the inevatble imo.

excuse the spelling - i have difficulties with that.

In England I know of a case where a mother failed a parenting assessment because she breast fed the baby on demand rather than doing a [she who must not be named].

In Ireland they can get married and rely on Article 41 of the Irish Constitution so that
their son cannot be adopted.

"she'd have her baby taken away from her hours after the birth "

Where is that quote from drlove8?

You know BonsoirAnna has a big red light that starts flashing on her PC when a weight thread is started on Mumsnet, I think johnhemming has one for child issue threads....

give us a mo libra - will try find that link .

I would imagine it's easier to take a child from this parent than from a smack head...

I know a woman who let her 6 yr old sleep in a bed saturated with urine to 'teach' her not to wet the bed, the 8 yr old would take care of the children when Mummy was 'too asleep' and she got to keep her dcs...

What is the world coming to? Perhaps the couple could have gone into sheltered housing to be monitored?

John is publicly supporting the couple, it says so in the article.

Also I would like to point out that if the bf name is on the birth certificate he now gets parental responsibility, they don't have to be married (well in UK anyway not sure what situation is in ireland)

I wonder if a Mum and baby unit was offered.
I've certainly represented many babies who rather than being removed at birth spent some time in a unit being supported and assessed.
Sometimes, though, Mothers refuse. Then what do you do?

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They should have gone further afield, Ireland has become a puppet to the ss here unfortunately.

When the ss stopped the wedding it was a foregone conclusion that they wanted to snatch the baby.

For the posters who say the ss can't comment, they would be able too if they didn't keep blocking opening the family courts to their accountability, the names of the family our out there in this instance so they can't say they want to protect the childs anonimity. Many cases are reported in the press where names are protected. The ss just do not want to allow the public to see how little evidence they need to snatch a child.

Cheers Drlove, the thing is that wasn't the first meeting with the SW and I wonder if they had got to the point where that was the only path left because she had refused all help and support.

Whilst I think taking a child away from it's mother should be the very last resort we will never know the true story of what is happening because all we have is what the couple say the social workers have said, and lets fact it they are not neutral!

It seems from the reports that she wasn't offered a baby unit.

i feel so angry and upset about this.

It is no secret that I have a very low opinion of some social workers but wtf is going on when they steal newborn babies aged 4 flipping days away from his mother?

They seem a really lovely couple and I am sure would do brilliantly with some help and support. Fuck, they can come and live with me if it means the sw leave them alone and give them back their baby.

4 days fgs.

A private beneficiary has bought the couple a cottage and is financially supporting them.

They have John Hemmingway MP, supporting them.

Surely with this level of involvement from knowledgable people, a Mother and baby unit could have been arranged? maybe not where they lived, but further afield

There will be more to this than is coming across there. I believe the majority of social workers do an amazing job and don't remove children lightly at all. However my perception is coloured by a recent case that I am aware of. The children were certainly at some risk of harm through neglect but there was nothing in the situation that was unfixable. The social worker concerned did not carry out all the procedures correctly and very quickly removed the children from the home. The parent proceeded to try and get them back but the legal process was so prolonged in contesting the adoption that it was decided it was in the best interests of the children to proceed with the adoption rather than disrupt the children again. The errors in social services handling were pointed out to them but not felt of sufficent weighth to merit the disruption to the children that returning to the parent would have meant. They had been in foster care for years at that point. I have limited sympathy for the parent - since the birth of the children they were offered much support and advice and maintained a rather destructive route, making bad choices - paid a very, very high price though. What seems really awful is that as soon as the children were taken it seemed impossible to see a way back. It's taken years but basically it was all down to one social worker making one decision.

If I'd been their lawyer, and surely they had one, I would have pushed for an assessment.
If we assume the Mother is not an addict, not severely mentally ill, not had previous children removed, has not been accuse of any forms of child abuse in the past, then a mother and baby unit would be very hard to argue against.

I do wonder if Mum refused to go. Though nothing says that.

I wonder who it was who arranged for them to go to Ireland. Maybe the same person who arranged for them to have all the relevant scans?

Or did they make all these decisions themselves?

I wonder sometimes if people encouraging couples like this to flee are doing them and their case more harm than good.

I´m also wondering if it´s also to do with the father.

How could SS stop a wedding?