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Mother 'not clever enough to raise child' has baby snatched by social workers

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Heated · 22/01/2010 09:53

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expatinscotland · 22/01/2010 15:34

'WHY has there been no mention of his family trying to help them? the womans grandmother offered to foster /care for the baby.'

Why should there be?

It's a court matter.

AMumInScotland · 22/01/2010 15:39

The fact is we don't know anything about them or the case, beyond what the couple have chosen to tell the newspapers. We are therefore in no position to make any sensible decision about whether it's a fair and reasonable response from social services or not.

Those who have had or seen over-zealous social services are likely to think it's OTT and unfair.

And those who think that social services wouldn't "snatch" a baby without good reason are likely to think that there is a good reason, which we just don't know about.

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 15:43

Again i think its a bit , there is only two things i can find out about him. he has a site for his "art"(paintings/music) and a brief mention about where he comes from.
Everyone has history . wheres his?theres nothing about him. Not even to prove he can be a good parent, a good husband, is capable of earning a living longterm.
But you are right, it is a court matter, and they must know something that we dont.

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 15:45

ive done a 180 on this . i started out thinking its not right at all to just take the baby.
now im thinking there must be something as to why the SW have the baby.
i dont often change my mind.
i still feel sorry for the mum .

suwoo · 22/01/2010 15:46

Expat, I am so far from being an artist it is untrue. I am having an extremely thick day today and I'm unsure what you are insinuating about my good self?

wannaBe · 22/01/2010 15:51

I don't think the father's origin is relevant really - I imagine that as an artist it would be difficult to make a name for yourself in a tiny community as opposed to in a bigger town/city where you could develop better contacts. but...

I would question what a 25 year old nt man was doing with a 17 year old girl with LD's. In fact I would question what a 25 year old was doing with a 17 year old who didn't have LD's, but the fact she has LD's makes her IMO more vulnerable.

DuelingFanjo · 22/01/2010 15:51

"And those who think that social services wouldn't "snatch" a baby without good reason are likely to think that there is a good reason, which we just don't know about"

you mean - and those who KNOW social services CAN'T 'snatch' a baby?

Because it's not a matter of thinking they can't, it's a fact that they are legally unable to without a very good reason (Ie immediate risk of harm)

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 15:56

actually i dont think the age gap is that bad ... concidering i married my ex-h at 17 and he was 26 .

good point actually wanabee . my "theory" is most likey bollocks anyway . youve gave me cause to retract it now . its retracted .

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 16:02

What exactly are the womans LD`S? Is she dyslexic , low iq, higher functioning asd?.
it just says she has mild learning difficulties. that could mean anything tbh.there are so many different conditions that can be classed as such , it doesnt give a clear picture of how she can function daily.
before i get flamed for this , i am intrested because i have a daughter who has sn.so i want to know whats ok by SW standards

AMumInScotland · 22/01/2010 16:09

DuellingFanjo - you're right, I do mean those who know that SS can't do this.

MmeLindt · 22/01/2010 16:20

There is not much known about him. I suspect that there is more to him than can be googled. If you were to google my name then you would suspect that there was something dodgy about me as there is not a whole lot on the net about me.

And I left home at 19 to go to Germany.

Definitely suspicious.

gorionine · 22/01/2010 17:10

I left Switzerland to live in the UK at 20 I promise you I have not got a criminal record Drlove8

I could find nothing about myself on google either with my maiden name or married one. Maybe I should call SS on myself right now.

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 17:18

i refer to my post 15:56 pm , second line.
you are taking the piss out of me now - fair enough i do tend to post what i think without thinking what im posting .

MmeLindt · 22/01/2010 17:19

Sorry, Drlove, I could not resist.

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 17:23

lol if you google "gorionine" you get mumsnet 1st , 2nd and 3rd! lol !, but no crim record ! yay!

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 17:27

lol Mmelindt ! dont be sorry . the whole point of MN is to post what you think and see if your agreed with or not. If you all think ive hired a boat to la -la land id rather know about it . .

Batteryhuman · 22/01/2010 17:32

This is why I hate the Daily Mail.

OhBuggerandArse · 22/01/2010 18:25

One thing about suwoo's conspiracy theory - there is a fairly well-established rumour that one of Thompson & Venables was resettled in Lewis in their new identity. Don't know whether the ages would match up, or anything else - but it's maybe not completely beyond the bounds of possibility?

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 18:29

NO dont get me drawn in again .
oh feck it ! dunno about that , just think its a bit .- makes you think.

suwoo · 22/01/2010 18:41

No Way!!!!!!!! OMG, I must be psychic. Really Bugger? Their ages are close, but no idea if they changed those too. TBF, he doesn't actually look like either of them though.

as they were

FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 22/01/2010 19:16

It is well documented that one of them had a baby with a girl who had no idea who he was but this is not the baby in question.

OtterInaSkoda · 22/01/2010 19:16

I sincerely hope that SS aren't blinded by prejudice in the way I am, but here's the thing:

  • 25 yo man hooks up with 17 yo girl.

This in itself is but then again I went out with a man of 21 when I was 15 and stayed with him for 3 years. He wished we were closer in age - he didn't hook up with me because he had a thing for teenage girls. He is now married to a woman his age (40s) and has been for about 15 years.

  • 25 yo man hooks up with 17 yo girl who has LDs (and I assume they don't mean a touch of dyslexia) and who, by the sounds of it is likely to be very insecure and craving affection.

This is very

  • 25 yo man who produces godawful, porn-ish artwork of very-young-looking girls hooks up with 17 yo girl with LDs who, by the sounds of it is likely to be very insecure and craving affection.

This is very, very

And there concludes my blindly prejudiced rant.

I just hope that SS offer the mother help - and that she accepts it - even if it means ditching her partner.

StewieGriffinsMom · 22/01/2010 19:33

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johnhemming · 22/01/2010 19:51

Sadly too many social workers indulge in wild speculation style analyses.

At the same time they avoid families like the Edlington family because they are not nice families.

drloves8 · 22/01/2010 19:57

i suppose the only person who really matters is baby Ben. i hope he is cared for and loved, whoever has him.