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WARNING v upsetting: The Doncaster Boys., who were attacked..

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ElenorRigby · 21/01/2010 19:58

a case from last year...
Here are the details, according a local paper.
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Its not pretty

"THE full horror of the terrifying and brutally violent attack on two young boys by a pair of brothers in secluded woodland in Doncaster last April has been revealed to a shocked courtroom.

A hearing at Sheffield Crown Court was yesterday given full and painfully graphic detail of the sadistic 90-minute attack by the then 10 and 11-year-old siblings involving a variety of weapons including branches, barbed wire, lit cigarettes and heavy rocks, which left one of their victims close to death and the other badly injured and deeply traumatised.

Members of the victims' families sobbed as the court was shown haunting video footage taken by the older brother on a stolen mobile phone midway through the attack. It showed his stricken 11-year-old victim shaking and covered in blood as he was prodded and taunted by the younger of the two brothers.

A child psychiatrist who had interviewed the younger brother later described him as "cold and calculating" in his ability to switch between seemingly good behaviour and acts of violence.

Dr Eileen Vizard told the court the boy represented a "high risk" to the public and warned that without prolonged and successful intervention by specialists he may have the potential to develop psychopathy.

The young perpetrators, now aged 11 and 12, were dressed smartly in shirts and ties and sat passively in the dock as their shocking catalogue of violence was laid out before a High Court judge, Mr Justice Keith.

The pair, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing to counts of causing grievous bodily harm with intent, robbery and intentionally causing a child to engage in a sexual act. Charges of attempted murder were dropped.

The court heard how they came across their two young victims at a playground and lured them to a secluded area with the promise of showing them a dead fox.

Once there, the brothers subjected them to a vicious 90-minute attack using branches, sharpened sticks, barbed wire, broken glass, rocks weighing up to two stone, and pieces of metal.

Both victims were repeatedly hit with tree branches and fists as they lay cowering on the ground, the court heard. Their faces were stamped on and heavy rocks dropped on their heads.

At one stage the battered and bloodied victims were forced to attempt to perform sexual acts together.

Later, one was choked with a metal hoop, the older boy putting his foot on his victim's back "for extra leverage", said Nicholas Campbell QC, prosecuting. The younger victim was strangled with a clothes line.

The same victim eventually sustained a deep wound to his arm, which the older brother forced a lit cigarette into. When the terrified nine-year-old said he needed the toilet, he was forced to urinate on his friend's face.

The court heard that as the attack reached its climax, the younger victim was ordered to kill himself. He repeatedly rammed a sharpened stick into his own mouth before slumping against a tree.

His older friend was left for dead after having part of a broken sink dropped on his head. He could not be interviewed by police until 10 days later due to the seriousness of his injuries.

The court also heard details of a strikingly similar attack carried out by the brothers on a choirboy in Edlington a week earlier.

The court was told how he too was lured to the patch of wasteland, this time with the promise of seeing a "massive toad", and how he was beaten and stamped on. The brothers have pleaded guilty to a charge of assault causing actual bodily harm.

On that occasion their 11-year-old victim was apparently saved from an even worse fate by the intervention of a passer-by. The brothers were identified a few days later and were due to attend a police station on the morning of Saturday, April 3.

Instead, they fled their foster home, and within an hour had begun their second savage attack. The pair are due to be sentenced tomorrow.

The hearing continues."

For most parents the details of case of the depravity is beyond belief.

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Hulababy · 21/01/2010 20:01

I have seen this on the news as the boys were be setenced tomorrow.

It is shockingly horrific.

I know the area quite well as much of my family are from that part of Doncaster, Edlington. I myself come from Doncaster, although anothr part. So it is all close to home.

So many failings from Doncaster social services too, coming after a few years of failings.

Not that it excuses what thee two boys have done

RoyaltyIsMyOnlyDelusion · 21/01/2010 20:07

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Lulumama · 21/01/2010 20:54

it is the stuff of nightmares

i have a 10 year old boy, when he is bored, he might watch the telly, or ask for a friend to come round, or play his PS3, to be a 10/11 year old boy whose response to being bored is to beat, abuse, strangle and degrade another child, you cannot even imagine what sort of life has led to that point

my thoughts are with the two victims and their families, and i hope they are able to recover from this vicious attack, physically, mentally and emotionally, altough i am sure there will be a long road ahead, to fear you are facing death at 11 years old is beyond horrific

WorzselMummage · 21/01/2010 20:58

good god.

Ewe · 21/01/2010 21:01

God that is stomach turning. Totally horrific.

Those poor poor boys

MollieO · 21/01/2010 21:02

From what I've read the father would hit the boys with a golf club and the mother gave them cannabis.

What also astounds me is they attacked another boy a few days earlier but the police arranged to question them 4 days later. In between time they attacked these poor boys.

The most horrific thing is the attackers only stopped because 'their arms were tired'. I don't think it was their intention to leave either boy alive.

People talk about rehabilitation when attackers are as young as these two brothers but I really wonder how that can happen in this case.

yerblurt · 21/01/2010 21:06

Lock 'em up and throw away the key. I fear they are beyond "redemption" or whatever.

Same with the parents

... and a serious head-rolling exercise at SS et al.

wukter · 21/01/2010 21:06

Those poor poor boys.

How can children get to that point.

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TheShriekingHarpy · 21/01/2010 21:07

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theagedparent · 21/01/2010 21:07

Jesus that is so awful, those poor boys.

edam · 21/01/2010 21:09

The horrifying thing is these are just the details that are fit to print. There are some aspects that will never be made public.

Just hope all three victims will manage to get some stability and recover as best they can mentally and emotionally as well as physically. And that the perpetrators are never left unsupervised again. I don't care how good their progress is in psychiatric institutions or young offenders or whatever, no-one should ever be put at risk of being harmed by them.

Whatever happened to the criminals to make them do this, however tortured their own lives, society must be protected. (And I hope their siblings are being helped and monitored too.)

wukter · 21/01/2010 21:11

MollieO, if that's true I really hope the parents are punished as the perpetrators.

I know there are probably a million legal arguments against that, and I'm sure someone will come up with ethical ones too.
But it's their fault, the fucking scumbags.

There will be handwringing re SS.
But SS are guilty of being busy/overworked/incompetent/delete as appropriate but THEY are not guilty of child abuse or torture.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 21/01/2010 21:11

If there is no compassion for the perpetrators, then this will happen again and again and again.

Stuff happened to those boys. Really bad things to make them even think of the kind of acts they committed.

Throwing away the key will not stop this from happening again.

edam · 21/01/2010 21:17

wukter - Doncaster SS was known to be appalling long before this case, though. (Not the fault of individual social workers, I am sure some were doing their damndest in a rotten system).

It'sGrim - my compassion goes first to the victims but yes, it is horrifying to think what on earth must have happened to the aggressors in order to turn them into people ? children, for heaven's sake ? capable of doing such monstrous things.

I hope very much they get all the psychiatric support they need in detention to enable them to, I dunno, live adequate lives. But not sure I would wish on them the ability to fully comprehend how evil their acts were. It'd make them suicidal, surely.

Pannacotta · 21/01/2010 21:17

I agree ItsGrim about having compassion for the perpetrators as well as the vistims, I really wonder what the parents of the perpetrators did to their children which made them capable of such horrific crimes.

Its almost beyond belief.

Drooper · 21/01/2010 21:17

One of the boys who was attacked said he 'ran away as fast as my little legs would carry me'
Reading all the horror of the attack, that one phrase made me really tearful- he sounded so young and scared.

LittleWhiteWolf · 21/01/2010 21:19

Thats sickening and so, so devastatingly sad. I believe those boys need locking up, but not forever and they shouldnt be isolated either. They need serious help, and while I'm not saying they should ever be released back into the public, I personally believe everyone gets a shot at rehabilitation. I agree that throwing away the keys is not the right idea.

chegirlsgotheartburn · 21/01/2010 21:20

My main sympathies of course lay with the victims. Those poor boys. Please God they get the help and support the need.

The boys who did this were not born like this. They are not evil devil children who spontanously (sp) decided to be bad.

They are a product of their upbringing. Those who did this to them are to blame and should be punished.

When our society lables children as 'born evil' we are doing it to distance ourselves from any responsiblity for them. If they are 'just like that' its nothing to do with any of us is it?

If we see them as sub human scum we are safe from any blame. They are not like us or our children.

Any child subjected to years of neglect and abuse could turn out like this.

If it were my children who had been subjected to this dreadful attack I would have every right to harbour thoughts of terrible revenge. I do not think the likes of the Sun, DM and the Mirror have the right to do so.

I am digusted at how we portray violent children. They do not drop down from the sky, fully formed and ready to kill.

LynetteScavo · 21/01/2010 21:22

11 year old boys don't behave like this, without haveing experienced horrific behaviour themselves.

I hate to think that a child of this age can be beyond "redemption".

JeremyVile · 21/01/2010 21:22

Oh my god. Those poor, poor boys. Its just so hard to beleive CHILDREN did that.
How will they ever get over it? Poor babies

hbfac · 21/01/2010 21:23

I feel very sick now. I so desperately wanted this to be OK for the children who were attacked and ... unsurprisingly, it's not.

This is so awful.

I don't even know why I'm posting this. I wish I could make it OK for them. And instead, just some registering of sympathy for them.

LynetteScavo · 21/01/2010 21:24

11 year old boys don't behave like this, without having experienced horrific behaviour themselves.

I hate to think that a child of this age can be "beyond redemption".

Thre seems to be much more disgust and outrage when a child commits a violent crime than when it's an adult.

edam · 21/01/2010 21:26

I would like to believe no-one is beyond redemption, and I admire those who do. And it may well be possible that these boys can, in some sense, be redeemed with an awful lot of extremely hard work.

But redeemed does not have to mean set free.

Lizzylou · 21/01/2010 21:26

This case sickens me, for the poor poor boys who were attacked so horrifically.

But also for the perpetrators, as others have said, they weren't born to act like this. What on earth kind of life have they had prior to these attacks to make them carry out such atrocities?

Their "parents" should also be held to account.

I have cried a few times reading/listening to the details of this case, I can only begin to imagine what those boys suffered/are suffering and how devastated their families must be.

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