Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

Nick griffins blog
''Rape is simply sex.Women enjoy sex so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.It is like suggesting force feeding women chocolate cake is a heinous offence''

"I actually agree with children being brought up within a marriage and I think women should stay at home with their dc."

OK so a woman's place is in the home? At least that's consistent with what the BNP believe.

That policy is about socially engineering the woman, as opposed to either parent, back into the home and out of the work place.

As to rape, well why not allow anonymity for both sides?

That policy isn't about protecting men but encouraging women to remain silent.

Yes I have read their policies and not just today either, I've been aware of them for a while.

What do I think of them?

Shallow, ill thought out, under explained, somewhat paranoid, anti-women and anti-gay.

Is someone who believes in them stupid?

No, but I'd say they really haven't considered the implications and the holes.

I can see that someone who believes that women's and gay rights should be rolled back to the state they were pre WW2 and that rights for "foreigners" should be case back even further might find them appealing.

But I can't understand why someone who's benefited from the changes in our society would want to deny those opportunities to someone else.

"Nick griffins blog "

I can't believe I'm going to defend Nick Griffin but the idiot makes enough of his own gaffs and idiotic mistakes without having him tarred with someone else's.

Those words were from a BNP candidate for the London Assembly and the BNP did sack him.

However they only sacked him once the press got a hold of the story.

He'd been saying things like that, and worse, for years without it seeming to bother anybody or be held up as a reason why the party shouldn't put him forward as a candidate.

BP NG himself said on the radio interview before his QT appearance that the main problem with his members is that they are uneducated in the main

I stand corrected although have read enough of his crap and have met one person who 'knows' him and his views are shocking

"NG himself said on the radio interview before his QT appearance that the main problem with his members is that they are uneducated in the main"

So's the leadership... 17,000 years indeed...

.I think quite a few of those whose extreme views get a public airing get the chop as he attempts to drag them into the mainstream! I am all for debate and diverse views but there seems to be so much hatred in the BNP and we would all suffer in some way if they got a foot in.

"I stand corrected although have read enough of his crap and have met one person who 'knows' him and his views are shocking"

I'd love to know if he really is so stupid so as to believe his historical nonsense or clever enough to realise that he needs to say something that his "uneducated in the main" followers will understand as meaning "we hate blacks, Jews , women, and Muslims" while at the same time not blowing open his hopes of being seen as "mainstream".

I mean come on Nick did the Nazi's kill 6 million Jews or do you believe that they've been playing the world's longest running game of Sardines?

I don't see what being uneducted has to do with anything, are you only allowed to vote if you have been to university..?

The fact that they could be bothered to vote at all proves they have some intelligence....voter apathy is a major problem in this country.....and don't forget that most Labour voters were, (and still are).."uneducated"

BP;

agree with anonymity on both sides..

NG's wife has said some pretty unflattering things about him in the past.

Nick Griffin and wife

(He needs to lay off the pies though.)

"I don't see what being uneducted has to do with anything, are you only allowed to vote if you have been to universe"

It might mean that Nick Griffin feels that he can get away with half explained policies, holocaust denial and the "17,000 years" theory.

Ah BP, and you think other politicians are educated and truthful do you?

The biggest shock of all for you people would be to grasp that some really quite reasonable people vote BNP.

It suits the detractors' argument to portray them all as baying ill educated savages but it is very very far from the truth.

"Ah BP, and you think other politicians are educated and truthful do you?"

No but if one came out with half of the bobbins that Nick Griffin claims to believe in I'd be off like a shot rather than thinking "oh he's the hope for the nation!"

"It suits the detractors' argument to portray them all as baying ill educated savages but it is very very far from the truth."

Weirdly enough it seems to suit Nick Griffin to portray them as ill educated so go figure.

I'd not think of the population of 1930s Germany as being "baying ill educated savages" but they managed to make worse electoral choices so it's not about education.

Personally I'd think that many of the newer voters are so apathetic with the mainstream parties and so bothered about the immigration issue that they've not actually looked into exactly what the BNP would mean for their female relatives and anyone who doesn't derive a "pure" ancestry from the population of this country 17,000 years ago (when I'm pretty sure that we were under a lot of ice and our only population was a bunch of mammoths, some polar bears and a visiting Moose).

Which all boils down to me being happy to see them on things like Question Time when hopefully people we'll realise "he believes what! And he wants to be trusted to run the country!"

Elections are often one on single issues and one of the biggest preying on the mind of the British is the fact that Britain seems to operate an open door policy or at best one that is so lax that people come at will.

It's a small place, there isn't much room.
People get pissed off in a train carriage which is jam packed.
Multiply that b y about a trillion.

Just a quick post on BNP policies.

dp: "I think married couples should be given priority over single mothers on housing." The single mother I know best of all chose to become a single mother because she preferred that to living in utter terror and being beaten up every day by her now ex-husband. She also chose to protect her children from his abuse. Do you think she doesn't deserve the flat and benefits she was awarded? Should they all have slept on the street instead? What about widows/ widowers? It is a misapprehension to assume that all single mothers have become so because they simply didn't care about contraception or because they wanted to get free accommodation. I'm not saying by any means that nobody does this, but please don't make sweeping assumptions.

The last time I read that BNP family policy document, the one thing that stood out after the bigotry was the shocking standard of written English. How ironic.

Ugh, just seen that pic of the Griffins. He does that 'hold my wife by the scruff of the neck' thing. The man is an ape.

Daftpunk. I read through the link.
Some of the things said I will agree with. However I gave up when I reached the Northern Ireland poilcy.
Forgive me if you already know this but are the BNP aware that some of the people who live in Northern Ireland are in fact NOT IRISH. They are immigrants who were taken there specifically to steal the land from the Irish who lived there already!
This all took place within the last few hundred years.
So would the BNP be offering them a Financial incentive to go back to where they came from??????????
A few members of my family would be well happy with that and they are not terrorists.

Speedy;

Women who are married to violent men need protecting, no question about that. I am talking about women who start having children at 17 and have 6 kids by 6 different men by the time they're 25...that's crazy and must be discouraged, scraping some of the benefits thrown at women like that would help.

If you think about it, the BNPs policies on "the family" arn't really that different from the tories.....the tories keep going on about "family values" and those values will fiqure heavily in the run up to the next election...don't forget they are both right-wing parties...the BNP are just tories after 2 bottles of vodka.....do you read Richard Littlejohn..?

re; the rape thing....It's not to put women off reporting it, nothing would stop me reporting a rape, absolutely nothing. It's to protect innocent men....or do you think women are always right and men are always wrong..?

Plus, what happens if a man rapes another man ? what if a lesbian sexually assults another woman...do you know what happens in those situations...?

So typically British and self-flagellating.

A plan to deliberately upset grieving families in one of the most offensive ways possible turns into an argument about the BNP, as if the fault lies somehow with the British people.

What rot.

'the BNP are just tories after 2 bottles of vodka'

"Women who are married to violent men need protecting, no question about that."

Well the BNP won't do that, no question about that.

In order to tackle the "problem" of "feckless teenage mothers" they're going to remove swathes of housing related benefits from every single woman in the country who isn't widowed.

Think about that.

Your husband leaves you, no benefits.

You leave a violent husband, no benefits.

Your partner doesn't marry you and leaves, no benefits.

A tiny number of teenage mothers are hit and vastly more other women.

So who's the real target?

Is this really about tackling teenage mothers or about pressuring women into relying on a dependant marriage and getting them to stay there?

"If you think about it, the BNPs policies on "the family" arn't really that different from the tories."

The Tories are talking about encouraging marriage by such things as a transferable tax allowance from husband to wife or vice versa.

The BNP are encouraging woman to stay at home by only giving a tax allowance to a man.

Wouldn't it just be a simpler piece of law to have a "marriage tax allowance" without the further restriction of it being to men only? Of course it would, but this isn't about being simple, this is about sending women back to the kitchen.

"It's not to put women off reporting it, nothing would stop me reporting a rape, absolutely nothing. It's to protect innocent men."

If protecting men is your goal why not introduce anonymity for them?

Because that's not what that idea is about, this is about discouraging women from reporting rape.

Agree with them or not the Tories show that you can come up with policies in similar areas that aren't all about hitting the women of this country.

The BNP manage to put a spin on pretty much everything so that the woman is hit.

The BNP believe that a woman should marry a man, stick with him regardless, stay out of work and raise the children.

They're going to use the tax and benefits system to encourage that.

Now fair enough if you believe that women's place in society should be cast back to how it was in the first half of the century then believing in all of this makes some sort of sense.

However if you've benefited from the changes in society to then take away from your children the choices, chances and opportunities that you had is somewhat hypocritical.

BP;

Can't really comment on your last post as I've seen nothing to support what you're saying....all I will say is no party will be all things to all people, there are winners & losers with all parties....that's politics.

I don't think the BNP are "anti-women", they have alot of women in their party, probably proportionally higher than other parties...I think that speaks volumns.

There isn't really anymore to say here, I'm not the racist, homophobic idiot some people think I am...like moondog says, people like to put all BNP voters in that category...helps them out in someway.
I read posts from the lefties on here and my eyes are up in heaven, they are trying so hard to be cool and liberal it's almost embarrasing...most people get more right-wing as they get older, I'm not clinging onto my youth. Mumsnet is brilliant, there are some fantastic people on here (all my heros have posted on this thread) but the majority are too busy congratulating themselves on how intelligent/liberal & witty they are.....kinda sweet I guess...but I just find them boring.

I think people like to think of me as an uneducated fool....maybe they'd think differently if I told them I actually have a degree in politics, philosophy and economics...

This thread was never about the BNP anyway..it was about Islam4UK marching through WB...

They never will.

"Can't really comment on your last post as I've seen nothing to support what you're saying."

A policy to support the family, one that encourages the woman and not the father to remain at home with the children.

A policy to "protect" men in rape cases, one that doesn't give anonymity to men but removes it from the woman.

A policy to discourage young teenage mothers, one that removes housing related benefits from every single non-widowed mother in the country.

"I don't think the BNP are "anti-women", they have alot of women in their party"

There are a number of women who do believe in the whole Victorian attitude to women's rights. Look at the whole submissive wives movement.

So yes if you believe that women should stay at home and that men work and generally know best then the BNP makes sense.