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Akmal shaikh

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thehappyprince · 28/12/2009 19:30

Just think it's desperately sad he is going to be executed within hours for a crime committed apparently due to psychotic beliefs from bipolar disorder. Wish there was some way for him to get clemency.

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Ivykaty44 · 30/12/2009 17:27

Yes, in the uk if a burglar enters your house and you shoot them, you go to prison - even if they tied you up and toumented you for hours onend with a knife

thedogsgottago · 30/12/2009 17:42

Crimes like child abuse, domestic violence and rape did not get reported nowhere near as much back then, these crimes were brushed under the carpet, it is virtually impossible to compare crimes of the 1950s to that of today as our society is so different.

Ivykaty44 · 30/12/2009 18:11

try having a look atthis website

try under R for rape and D for domestic violence

this is for between 1800-1899, there are a variety of rather awful crimes listed on some pages of the index

How can you say that it wasn't reported any more at some point in history rather than now?

VirginPeachyMotherOfSpod · 30/12/2009 18:46

Its generally accepted though that they were massively underreported then though- becuase it was so taboo. plus some rapes weren't even a crime then (eg in marriage). Remember many of us areof the 'cildlinegeneration'whenit all started to be talked about- I know a few women raised in the generation before who were abused and didn't know they could do anything, one who has since gone on tosee her rapist jailed (yay her).

Indeedwhat constitutes a crime now and them does vary massively- now you won't be arested for being gay (another yay there) but you might for IT absed crimes (and if anyone thinks they're notsevere give me until my friends H'strial and then I will qualify- not sure what I can say atm,except the net has the ability to lead people into severe crime).

interesting article on selfdefencewithin the home- suggests it is under review atm

festivefreakout · 30/12/2009 20:13

Surely the ghastly example of Texas is enough to prove that the death penalty is not a deterrent.

It is barbarism- revenge, blood for blood. And innocent people get killed. That should not be acceptable in any system that claims to be civilised.

Ivykaty44 · 30/12/2009 20:53

But if it was taboo - why was it reported and counted in court records?

Where is your information coming from that these crimes where not reported then and are now in differnet ratios?

MitchyInge · 30/12/2009 22:40

how horrible, this event had passed me by until today

so there is more than one way for a psychiatric illness to kill you

VirginPeachyMotherOfSpod · 31/12/2009 09:34

IvyKaty,I remember concentrating lots on it during my sociology studies.

It ws reported but massively under reported- attitudes towards those who were raped,the way the court system worked etc all comnspired to treat women as if they were criminals.

There's similr now in the way child abuse by females and male rape are handled.

I do apologise for not getting links though,am sat here with flu waiting formeds to kick in.

EdgarAleNPie · 31/12/2009 09:50

erm - the death penalty used to be enforced in this country for petty theft. there was still petty theft. America has a vastly higher number of murders per capita than the UK - that is partly to do with its gun laws, partly to do with the third-world level of deprivation some of its citizens are subjectd to, and partly to do with being an alien culture in a less tangible sense: it is a more violent place.

there is no evidence the death penatly has any preventative effect - plenty of evidence to sugest it is only enforced agaist the poorest, least advantaged criminls in each society where it still exits.

the way China enforces the death penalty is entirely to do with the governmnt wanting to make a point about something - therefore it is unpredictable. In the case of the university buildings that collapsed - the vice-chancellor was executed - the chancellor was not (i think, he was rather better connected)

same in the melamine milk scandal high ranking officials were executed, but the highest were not.

the whole way China works is about the relaionship of the government with is own population, nothing to do with international concerns, nothing to do even with its own laws. They will have a head for puplic relations effect, but not the head of the guy who has guanxi within the party.

i will add a story from the dark ages in china - a female tourist had her wallet stolen on th train. At the next stop a policeman drags a man in front of her asks 'Is This Him??'
she says yes. The policeman drew a revolver and shot the man through the head point-blank, leaving him dead on the platform.

EdgarAleNPie · 31/12/2009 09:53

oh and as the chance of getting a conviction on a person brought to trial for rape is very low indeed, as juries are more inclined than ever to believe a woman lied, i realy don't think there has been huge progres on that front. More are reported, fewer successfully prosecuted.

BadgersPaws · 31/12/2009 10:08

"in the uk if a burglar enters your house and you shoot them, you go to prison - even if they tied you up and toumented you for hours onend with a knife"

Being a bit presumptuous and guessing that you're referring to the recent case of Munir Hussain and his brother then the big issue with that case was that what he did wasn't self defence.

The perpetrators were fleeing, the victims chased after them, caught one and bashed seven bells out of him with a cricket bat.

That crossed the line between self defence and extracting your own form of justice and revenge, which is understandably illegal.

This is not case where the burglar was injured during a fight in the victims home and the victim was defending themselves.

BadgersPaws · 31/12/2009 10:10

"the chance of getting a conviction on a person brought to trial for rape is very low indeed, as juries are more inclined than ever to believe a woman lied"

A possibly bigger issue than the jury believing that a woman has lied in rape cases is that so often they fall down to the word of one person against another.

In such cases it's hard to convict as you can't prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the legal system is based on a presumption of innocence.

Personally I think that much stronger sentences for those that are convicted would be a good start!

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