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The sad case of Meredith Kercher

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FreeGeorgeJackson · 03/12/2009 18:11

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

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DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 10:49

noddy, I too think incriminating her boss was a foolish thing to do but it doesn't prove her guilt.

Surely with such strong DNA evidence against all THREE people convicted of this crime, it's rather strange for people to be citing statements, which were disallowed during the trial, and the behaviour of the accused as some kind of evidence of guilt.

I would have thought that anyone wanting to argue their guilt with any conviction would start with the evidence provided in court, including the DNA' rather than resorting to all the circumstantial evidence and gossip?

Bucharest · 05/12/2009 10:49

"rural" investigation? Perugia is a city with over 100,000 inhabitants and extremely culturally advanced. We're not talking rednecks or Midsomer here.

moondog · 05/12/2009 10:50

HellOO

Is verdict in??
Guilty or non guilty?

DarrellRivers · 05/12/2009 10:52

Guilty
AK-26 years
RS-25 years

moondog · 05/12/2009 10:52

Thanks.
Blimey.
That is such a weeeeeeeeiiird story.

noddyholder · 05/12/2009 10:54

She didn't exactly protest her innocence or show any sadness for the deceased.She was relying on her looks and apparent charisma to get her out of this I think she is one of the most obviously guilty in years.

DarrellRivers · 05/12/2009 10:54

A wierd terrible story

HappyChristmasFromKimi · 05/12/2009 10:58

I am glad they locked her up, I hope they throw away the key.

She has enjoyed the whole court think, laughing and joking, she is vile, and quite evil.

My heart goes out to the family of the girl she murdered

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 10:59

She did protest her innocence! What trial were you following?

and she did show sadness. Really, I think you have been following a different case!

What do you think makes her obviously guilty Noddy?

Lulumama · 05/12/2009 11:02

am not convinced they are guilty

noddyholder · 05/12/2009 11:04

Df what makes you so sure she is innocent.She tried to implicate someone else when her back was to the wall.She had no alibi and no one knows what information Guede gave the lawyers but am sure that probably helped.I just think justice has been done obviously only they really know what happened

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 11:12

Noddy. I believe the case did not prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

I think THEY are innocent because the DNA evidence which was presented in court was not conclusive. The evidence which put the defendants in the room of the murder was flawed. The evidence against GUede (The first person the convicted) was overwhelming. The disallowed 'statement' by Knox was retracted within hours, the way it was obtained was wrong. The motive was dreamed up by the prosecutors despite a lack of evidence to prove it and nefore DNA had even been collected.

All these reasons.

Why do you think that THEY are obviously guilty Noddy?

PincoPallino · 05/12/2009 11:15

I have not read the whole thread yet (I wonder if I should) but I just wanted to SHOUT to EARTHSTART that I AM FROM THE CITY YOU CALL RURAL and I suggest that before you dish out such adjectives you do book a flight and go and see it for your self how rural it is!

PP is off to read thread and ruin one's weekend.

LadyThompson · 05/12/2009 11:16

Duelling - ok, leaving aside the DNA evidence which you say is flawed -what about the police catching them with a mop and bucket? The made up alibis? The accusation of an innocent man, later released?

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 11:20

LadyThompson, can you explain a bit more what you mean about them being caught with a mop and bucket?

PincoPallino · 05/12/2009 11:51

After reading the thread I do not feel I have got anything to add. Because even though I know more than most of you (the priest that goes and visit AK in prison has been the one who christened myself and my DC, I know lawyers and judges and police officers in the city, I know some of the people semi-involved, I know the city and what goes on behind the pretty and academic facade, I know the many foreigners who come to PG for a paid-by-daddy year and go off the rails only to go back to their cushy private schools places while living in mummy's flat off the King's Road, etc etc) (Not all, as others come and study and go to bars and work and enjoy a bit of freedom obviously but you get my point I suppose).

Knowing all that and more one thing I do not know if whether they did it or not.

It's a big fat for me as I feel that Bonsoir is right in saying that except for some posters there are many 'idle gossipers on this thread'.

violethill · 05/12/2009 11:53

Don't know whether Knox is guilty or Sollecito is guilty, or both, or neither, as I wasn't in the courtroom and haven't had access to all the evidence (and neither has anyone who has posted on here yet, unless they have omitted to tell us).

Would also point out that if they are guilty, then they are guilty regardless of whether the verdict went that way; if they are innocent then they are still innocent.

The only fact we can be sure of is the they have been FOUND guilty by law.

And on the subject of beauty, which shouldn't be central to the case but appears to be, I would hardly call Knox beautiful. She looks like an all-American girl, healthy and presentable and with no ugly features, but overall I think she looks fairly bland. Beautiful to me means striking, someone who has an almost indescribable quality, someone who turns your head when your pass them. Actually on the basis of photos and videos (because again, I have seen neither person in life) I would say Kercher had more beauty about her than Knox.

PincoPallino · 05/12/2009 11:55

I will add that I do not know whether they did it or not because I wasn't there, I am not actively involved in the case, I do not trust any media to portray a truthfull picture of the case.

I assume they did it but I do not know and I just hope that the verdict reflect the facts for their sake and poor Meredith.

bundle · 05/12/2009 11:57

I don't see what someone's beauty - or lack of it - has to do with a murder conviction

The main feeling I have today is one of relief, for the Kercher family, that at least this part of their lives - starting to get used to a life without Meredith - is concluded, with some "closure" for them.

Francagoestohollywood · 05/12/2009 12:01

I agree with Bucharest's posts.

Francagoestohollywood · 05/12/2009 12:05

"What I do think is this, there are so many loopholes and sleb lawyers who whore themselves around the most sensational newsworthy, high profile cases and these lawyers are the same ones who have been recruited by Sollecito's family in primis, and Knox's in second place, if there had been a way of getting them off reaching a not guilty verdict, it would have been done, and it would have been done quickly. The fact that it hasn't, to me, says it couldn't."

2shoes · 05/12/2009 12:08

i hop[e this helps give the poor family of the murdered girl some kind of closure

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FreeGeorgeJackson · 05/12/2009 12:10

i dont understand what pinco is on about
and if she is so cross why is she reading ot?
compared to a lot of other crime thread on mn htis one is positively cerebral.

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LadyThompson · 05/12/2009 12:14

Duelling - according to some reports it appears that the two defendants were surprised by police officers catching them cleaning up (the DNA) with a mop and a bucket of bleach. But apart from that, as I said above - the false alibis, the fingering of another man, later released.....I have absolutely no way of knowing whether they did it or not. But these things don't look good. You may say that is conjecture and idle speculation on MY part, fair enough - BUT the jury were presented with the evidence and produced a guilty verdict. After 13 hours, I doubt they did this lightly.

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 12:15

I think that Pinco is annoyed as she is one of several Italian mumsnetters who think people are being xenophobic towards Italy. Reality is that most posters are not being xenophobic. It's possible to think this is a wrong verdict without having a go at the Italian legal system.

Personally I think that the Italian Legal system is in many ways very good, though I do think they should sequester their jury like they do in the UK. This isn't a criticism of Italians, just an observation about how to stop a trial from becoming tainted by media speculation and lies.

Sadly there is evidence that there is corruption involved with one key person in teh prosecution and that information was leaked by the prosecution.

Again, not a criticism of the Italians but just of some people in this case.