The sad case of Meredith Kercher

[FreeGeorgeJackson]

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

I am interested Dittany. Just don't have hours and hours of time to search the web about everything that I'm interestd in. I don't expect you or anyone else to do my "research" for me, thanks very much. I've expressed my views honestly here and frankly I don't appreciate in any way shape or form being accused of handing out misinformation. If what you say is correct then I won't gainsay you. The short deliberation is what appeared to be the case from mainstrean media reports tonight. I have no axe to grind here, I think however that the media portrayal of amanda knox has been a major factor. Others may and will disagree

"Now there is a verdict. Now I can write it.

I do not think the black man who is in prison had a hand in it.

I believe that Knox and Sollecito came to that house to get Miss Kercher to have a three-way with them, and when she refused, that they killed her."

do you really believe this!

Why do you think they are guilty of a sex crime but Guede is not, when Guede's DNA was all over and inside the victim and all over the crime scene?

Fair enough if you think that Amanda Knox and Rafaele Sallecio are guilty from the DNA evidence but, really, can you even begin to explain why you think Guede is innocent?

and this in snot about anti-americanism, it's not about a beautiful girl not wanting to be convicted... it is about extremely unconvincing evidence. You should watch these two videos bra clasp evidence and bathroom evidence

There are serious flaws in this rial and this is not justice for Meredith at all.

I sincerely believe the evidence is not able to prove these two (and let's remember there are 2 people in prison tonight not just Knox) did this beyond reasonable doubt.

There is a tide growing of people who realise that this is a terrible terrible injustice and I truly believe that they will win their appeal.

Expat.

you say "Reserved all judgement, as evinced by this thread, till the verdict, because really unless you sit in the court you can't know."

really? did you? I don't think so! You had her tried and judged many months ago, just like many other people. At least be honest about it.

I have never understood why anyone would make such a big deal about how Amanda knox looks, acts, behaves when they have all that supposedly firm DNA evidence to support their argument. Making such a big deal about her behaviour and the way she acts is hardly the brightest thing to concentrate on when trying to prove a case.

In your own words:

"IMO, she and her little boyfriend are guilty as sin. It's just too bad if she's found guilty she'll spend time in a cushy Italian jail and not be extradicted back to her home state of Washington to spend it in a real prison surrounded by junkies and psychos."

"There's something of the Manson girls in her, tbh."

Tell me some facts about the case which prove her guilty. Give me a chronological time line. convince people with truth not bollox.

Dittany - much of what you have written is incorrect.

"Knox actually wrote a note to the police admitting that she was in the house at the time Meredith was killed which was admitted into evidence at the trial. She then said her boss from the bar she worked at did it, but it turned out he had an alibi, and another man has since been found guilty. The judge in that trial said he didn't act alone though."

Knox actually wrote a statement to the police after hours of questioning which was then NOT allowed as evidence as she did not have a lawyer present and was not a formal suspect.

At least get your facts right.

"somebody cleaned up and they were found with a mop and bucket apparently mid clean-up by police who came there by chance"

wrong again.

They had called the police to report the break in. They were not in mid clean up and did not have a mop and bucket in their hands.

if you are going to present stuff as fact at least do your research. there's a lot of crap written about this case, you need to sift through the crap to get the real truth.

Dittany - it's really quite unfair of you to say "Tiger if you haven't even bothered to follow the trial or even look at the evidence now, how do you feel qualified to comment on the verdict and decide that it's dodgy." when your first post in this thread was "What's the evidence against her? I haven't been following it."

and the police who came, though not the police they called, did not come 'by chance' they came to investigate why meredith's phones were in another resident's garden.

Amanda Knox's Interrogation In Her Own Words

There is only one piece of evidence which places Raffaele Sollecito in the room where Meredith was murdered and that piece of evidence is highly suspect.

DuelingFanjo - I'm mystified as to why you think your interpretation of the 'facts' is 'the real truth' any more than dittany's or anyone else who thinks justice was served last night.

I don't know whether there was a miscarriage of justice here but I do know that picking and choosing evidence off the internet to support a theory is equally invalid whether you believe sollecito and knox guilty or otherwise.

Will the case go to appeal? I thought unless there was new evidence that could be presented, there would be no grounds for appeal.

The case will go to appeal (as I've said about 3 times already on this thread)

The jury, incidentally, over here, is not just made up of 12 men strong and true, but a mixture of highly qualified and experienced judges and then a few members of the public.

I only know what I have heard over here in Italy. Knox has certainly not been receiving the adulation she seems to be receiving elsewhere and both have pulled out all the stops to lay the blame elsewhere, anywhere, anyone other than themselves. Even turning on each other when the going got dicey.

The Italian legal system is incredibly complex. I have lived here over 15 years and still don't understand its workings. What I do think is this, there are so many loopholes and sleb lawyers who whore themselves around the most sensational newsworthy, high profile cases and these lawyers are the same ones who have been recruited by Sollecito's family in primis, and Knox's in second place, if there had been a way of getting them off reaching a not guilty verdict, it would have been done, and it would have been done quickly. The fact that it hasn't, to me, says it couldn't.

I've not read anything in the media here (and whilst the tv may be sensationalist crap, believe me, the newspapers of every persuasion make the Brit broadsheets look like the Sun on a bad day) but nothing I've read has made me think there hasn't been a fair trial. My only concern, as I said before, seeing Sollecito's (frankly creepy) (to balance Bonsoir's "beautiful" comments) eyes and hear his voice on telly night after night, whilst watching Amanda and her succession of pretty cardis waving to her friends and kissing her lawyers, was that there wouldn't be a guilty verdict and the nightmare for the Kercher family would go on.

As it will, because something like this never ends. But at least I think there has been a step in the right direction.

The Little Italy MNers will tell you, I am the first, and often the only one to diss all things Italian, (been here too long, miss my Mummy too much etc etc) but as far as this trial is concerned I don't get the vilification. There are only 2 people worthy of vilification here. And may they get what they deserve.

Not read everything in the media I mean.

That's very interesting Bucharest. Thanks for shedding light on the Italian legal process.

duelingfanjo - the fact is that you have no idea of their innocence at all. It's just your theory, which if fine but that's all it is. To write it as absolute fact is ridiculous.

My feeling is that Knox and her boyfriend are guilty. My understanding is that the Kercher family are also pleased with the verdict and also believed this couple were responsible for their daughter's death - they are the ones that count and perhaps their belief was based on a little more than a theory.

If it's me who's being accused of dissing "Forruners", then I should clarify. The details of the case and the way a lot of the evidence doesn't seem to make sense (knife doesn't fit wounds but is used as evidence? Knife belonging to house where woman lived has woman's dna on handle? well duh.) and the fact that the system obviously allows the case to be raked over and the characters of those involved to be dragged around the media before the verdict, makes me think it is lacking something as a system.

Not because it is Italian or because it is foreign - I would say the exact same about failing in the British system, and indeed I do think it also falls down in certain ways.

But it does look like a crappy system, and I don't see why it's xenophobic to say so.

Bucharest.

You say "My only concern, as I said before, seeing Sollecito's (frankly creepy) (to balance Bonsoir's "beautiful" comments) eyes and hear his voice on telly night after night, whilst watching Amanda and her succession of pretty cardis waving to her friends and kissing her lawyers" but why not stick to the facts of the evidence and the disputed evidence rather than concentrate on the way they look?

Surely anyone who really wants to argue this case can do a damn sight better than bicking on the way they look when there is apparently so much firm evidence against them?

I am not picking and choosing facts, I am presenting real evidence (or links to real evidence)which show that the case can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

People need to strip away all the tabloid rubbish and the false information about Knox and Sollecito which was 'leaked' to the press, stop judging them guilty because 'they look guilty', and start looking at the evidence.

It's also such a typical thing for people to say this is just people being negative about the Italians. It is possible to recognise a serious miscarriage of justice without therre being a xenophobic reaction.

The motive and the carrying out of the crime is pure fantasy created by Micheli before they even had any DNA evidence.

Fanjo, the comment about Sollecito was tongue in cheek in order to refute Bonsoir and the UK media, (as I have said here, apart from seeing a brief comment about how inappropriate Knox's "All you need is love" t shirt was for a court appearance)'s obsession with their looks.

Anyway, with Giovanna Bongiorno on the defence (she's one of Mr Teflon Berlusconi's preferred defence lawyers after all) they perhaps will get their freedom.

But I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Bucharest, why do you think they are guilty?

Because no Italian bloke in his early 20s would ever have his mobile switched off on the night of a public holiday unless he was up to norty stuff and because he looks like a serial killer?

Seriously? I don't know why I think they are guilty. It's not my job to make these decisions. I do think that so many people (turning back to Mr Teflon for a moment) do get off, very easily here, if they have the right lawyers, that for the jury to reach this verdict there must have been compelling evidence. Remember, Sollecito has had probably the most powerful defence lawyer in the country on his team, if she couldn't prove his innocence, I doubt anyone could.

Seems, from the press conference taking place now, that the Kercher family are unable to say catagorically that they believe Knox and Sollecito were guilty.

I think the forensics were bungled by a rural italian police investigation but I think justice has been done.

There were so many lies by the accused, not to mention Amanda trying to incriminate her boss.

It is true that society vilifies female murderers, especially sweet looking young blondes, over and above men - and question that if you will. In my view Rafaelle and Amanda were equally culpable but have not been portrayed as such...that may be wrong but it deosn't make Amanda innocent of murder.

Earthstar, do you not trust the forensics then?

It is the incriminating her boss that did it for me tbh.If she was innocent with a 100% rock solid alibi she would have no need to do something as extreme as putting someone in the frame for a hideous crime knowing it would destroy their life.That is the work of a desperate woman

Is the verdict in then?