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The sad case of Meredith Kercher

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FreeGeorgeJackson · 03/12/2009 18:11

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

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scarletlilybug · 11/12/2009 12:51

Oh... so there wasn't a bucket then?

Then it's surely merely co-incidental that they were standing outside the cottage with a mop when the postal police arrived and that the scene showed evidence of a clean-up. Silly me.

Portofino · 11/12/2009 12:54

They had apparently called the police at that point and were waiting outside for them. The mop was supposedly for cleaning up a water leak at RS's apartment. There was NO blood on the mop.

scarletlilybug · 11/12/2009 13:16

Another co-incidence then, the leak at Raffaele's. Funny how neither AK nor RS could remember what they were doing that night, but they could remember the leak. Or was it a broken pipe? Funny how Raffaele couldn't find anything at his own place to clean up the spillage - eg towels or rags. Funny how no-one noticed AK carrying the map through Perugia that morning.

Phone records and CCTV records confirmed that RS colled the police (crabinieri) after the postal police had arrrived, and indeed RS admitted as much:

"She told me to call 112 but by this time the postal police had arrived. In my earlier statement, I told you a whole lot of rubbish because Amanda convinced me about her version and I didn?t think about the contradictions?.

Corriere

scarletlilybug · 11/12/2009 13:17

Sorry for typos - wish we could edit posts.

DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 13:36

have you revised your view of the bathroom photo scarletlilybug.

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DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 13:55

it's relevant that no traces of Meredith's DNA/blood were found on that mop when tested.

I don't think it's a coincidence, I think it's just a fact.

scarletlilybug · 11/12/2009 14:02

Made a mistake about the bathroom - hands up.
Indeed, it had signs of having had a lot of cleaning activity, according to the Micheli report. (By the "unhygienic" Knox? Wow. None of her fingerprints were found in either of the bathrooms, even though she lived there.)

The blood stains there were numerous scattered blood drops, a ten inch smear on the bathroom door, and a bloody footprint on the floor, I believe. But now you're going to tell me it was "only" a nine-inch smear, right?

Unflushed faeces were left in the toilet in the other bnathroom - the one where AK supposedly dried her hair. Would anyone normal (and innocent) just leave them there, stinking away?

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DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 14:58

I think it's possible that a clean up was done, but by Guede.

DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 15:05

here's an article about the flawed DNA evidence on the knife. And the Bra Clasp

here's the crime scene video of the collection of the bra clasp which had several people's mixed DNA on it when tested.

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Portofino · 11/12/2009 15:14

Yes but "consistent with" doesn't mean there WAS definitely more than one person. And if there was more than one person, it doesn't mean that it was AK and RS.

There is NO reliable evidence that they were in that room, but LOTS of evidence that Guede was....!

DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 15:16

yes.

londonlottie · 11/12/2009 15:26

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DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 15:50

no.

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DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 16:02

IIRC they put the mop by the door of the cottage when they came back together from Sollecito's flat.

I think that the times recorded of the arrival of different people at the house are not and cannot ever be exact.

An example of this that I have read is that in Filomena's first statement to the police she said Amanda called her at 12.20 and 12.30. That first call was actually made at 12.08. Filomena also said there was a 3rd call at 12.45 but actually it was at 12.20 and a fourth one at 12.34.

Human error. Happens all the time and means timelines can't be completely accurate.

harimosmummy · 11/12/2009 16:05

I have no clue who you are, DuelingFanjo, or your relationship to this case, but you are deluded.

Very, very deluded.

DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 16:23

I am also trying to find the testimony of Battistelli RE his arrival at the house, in particular any statement he made about a mop..

The Italian press reported it as:

"Sentito davanti alla Corte d'assise di Perugia l'investigatore ha spiegato di essere giunto alla casa del delitto verso le 12,25-12,30 del 2 novembre 2007 per rintracciare Filomena Romanelli dopo il ritrovamento di un telefono cellulare a lei intestato. Ha quindi detto di avere trovato lì i due imputati "che dissero - ha riferito - di essere in attesa dei carabinieri chiamati dopo avere trovato la porta aperta" (dagli accertamenti della Postale è però emerso che la chiamata al 112 venne fatta poco prima delle 13). "Erano imbarazzati, sorpresi ma calmi", ha spiegato Battistelli. "Dopo avere visto la situazione nella camera della Romanelli - ha aggiunto - dissi sfacciatamente che non credevo a un furto e loro non dissero nulla". L'ispettore Fabio Marzi, sentito successivamente, ha sostenuto che fu Sollecito a mostrargli la camera dell'effrazione "specificando che non era stato rubato nulla", mentre la Knox gli fece notare delle tracce sul lavabo e su un tappetino nel bagno accanto alla camera della vittima. Gli agenti della Postale hanno quindi ricostruito le fasi che portarono alla scoperta del cadavere di Mez, trovato in camera sua una volta che in via della Pergola erano giunti la Romanelli, un'amica e i loro fidanzati. "La Romanelli - ha spiegato Battistelli - mi disse che chiudeva la porta a chiave (così come venne trovata, ndr) solo quando tornava in Inghilterra. Consigliai ai ragazzi di sfondare la porta e quando sono entrati ho sentito un piccolo urlo. Mi sono avvicinato e ho visto quello che ho visto. Ho fatto subito allontanare tutti". I due agenti della Postale hanno spiegato di non avere visto come era morta Meredith notando comunque del sangue intorno al collo. La deposizione dell'assistente Marzi è ancora in corso.(ANSA)."

the online translators translate it as:

"Heard in the Court of Assizes of Perugia, the investigator said they came to the house of the crime around 12,25-12,30 2 November 2007 to trace Filomena Romanelli after the discovery of a cell phone to her intestate. He then said they found there, the two defendants, "they said - said - that we are waiting for the call after police found the door open" (by the findings of the Post it appeared, however that the call to 112 was made shortly before 13 ). "They were embarrassed, surprised but calm," said Battistelli. "After seeing the situation in the chamber of Romanelli - he added - I said I did not believe that brazenly stolen and they said nothing." The inspector Fabio Marzi, heard later claimed that was desirous to show him the room dell'effrazione "specifying that it was not stolen anything," while Knox pointed out to him on the track pad and a sink in the bathroom next to room of the victim. The agents of the Post have rebuilt the steps leading to the discovery of the body of Mez, found in his room once in Via della Pergola had reached the Romanelli, a friend and their boyfriends. "The Romanelli - explained Battistelli - I said shut the door (as was found, ndr) when he returned to England. I advised the boys to break down the door and when I entered I heard a little shriek. I approached and I saw what I saw. I did immediately remove all ". The two agents of the Post explained that he had seen as Meredith was dead still noticing blood around her neck. The affidavit of the assistant March is still pending."

All I can find repeatedly in the press reports from the testimony (given in court by the postal policeman about the arrival of the postal police at the flat) is that Knox and Sollecito were embracing/hugging eachother outside the flat when they arrived and seemed embarrased, surprised but calm. Nothing about the mop that I can find.

This policeman is the same one who denied entering the room after the door was broken but who was seen going into the room by two people who testified in court, one of whom said he lifted the Duvet away from Amanda's face.

DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 16:30

"I have no clue who you are, DuelingFanjo, or your relationship to this case"

I am just a person who posts on mumsnet, I have no 'relationship' to the case.

I am just one of several people who post gere who think the evidence is not strong enough to convict Knox and Sollecito.

goodbyesunhellomoon · 11/12/2009 16:37

the evidence you've read off the internet DF.

It's not the full evidence as we KEEP saying.

The break in was staged. I'm sorry but Guede was a stranger to that house, a stranger to Meredith. He knew Knox very vaguely. If he broke in that house on the off chance of burgling it and came face to face with Meredith and then decided to murder her then he would have flee'd the scene as quickly as possible. He would not have hung around to start cleaning. What if anyone of the 3 other students and their friends had walked in on this guy mopping their hallway? It doesn't add up.

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