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The sad case of Meredith Kercher

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FreeGeorgeJackson · 03/12/2009 18:11

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

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dittany · 10/12/2009 17:22

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DuelingFanjo · 10/12/2009 17:24

"If his co-author was held illegally that was indeed wrong. I don't know enough about it to comment though so it's still and "if"."

He was held illegaly.

you have the links to help know more so that you feel qualified to comment on it.

As you have said already...

" Generally the etiquette in discussions is to provide an argument and then give the link to confirm the source, not just to direct people to undigested source material"

we're having a discussion. I have provided an article about the behaviour of one of the prosecutors, which happened over a year before the arrest of Amanda Knox, I have given links links and summarised. You asked me for the name of the writer which I provided. After I provided the name you started a discussion saying that somehow a man's treatment by the Italian prosecutors can't be objective because of the subject matter he writes about.

If you want to Bail out of that part of the discussion, which you introduced, then fine

Yes I disagree with you, no I don't expect to change your mind, but if you don't want to have a discussion then why respond with links to his crime fiction titles.

DuelingFanjo · 10/12/2009 17:27

"DF are you playing at being prosecutor?"

no - I am trying to have a discussion with you about the links you have made between being a true crime writer and a crime fiction writer and a lack of objectivity.
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dittany · 10/12/2009 17:31

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blinks · 10/12/2009 18:21

A graduate of the Cambridge School of Weston in Weston, Massachusetts, and Pomona College in Claremont, California, Preston began his writing career at the American Museum of Natural History in New York. In addition to his collaborations with Child, he has written several novels and non-fiction books of his own, mainly dealing with the history of the American Southwest. He is a contributing writer for Smithsonian, The Atlantic Monthly, and The New Yorker magazines. He has two brothers: David Preston (a medical doctor) and Richard Preston, also a best-selling fiction/non-fiction author.

Most of Preston's five nonfiction books and thirteen novel were bestsellers and have been translated into many languages. With his frequent collaborator, Lincoln Child, he has co-authored such bestselling thrillers as The Cabinet of Curiosities, The Ice Limit, Thunderhead, Riptide, Brimstone and Relic. Their novel, The Book of the Dead, which came out in June 2006, was on the New York Times bestseller list for six weeks. Preston writes about archeology for the New Yorker magazine and he has also been published in Smithsonian magazine, Harper's, and National Geographic. He is the recipient of numerous writing awards. He has created the character Wyman Ford, an ex-CIA agent who appears in many of his solo novels.

From 1978 to 1985, Preston worked for the American Museum of Natural History in New York City as a writer, editor, and manager of publications. He served as Managing Editor for the journal Curator and was a columnist for Natural History magazine. In 1985 he published a history of the museum, Dinosaurs In The Attic: An Excursion into the American Museum of Natural History, which chronicled the explorers and expeditions of the museum's early days.

In 1986 Preston moved to New Mexico and began to write full-time. Seeking an understanding of the first moment of contact between Europeans and Indians in America, he retraced on horseback Francisco Vasquez de Coronado's violent and unsuccessful search for the legendary Seven Cities of Gold. That thousand mile journey across the American Southwest resulted in the book Cities of Gold: A Journey Across the American Southwest. Since that time Preston has undertaken many long horseback journeys retracing historic or prehistoric trails. He has also participated in expeditions in other parts of the world, including a journey deep into Khmer Rouge-held territory in the Cambodian jungle with a small army of soldiers, to be the first Westerner to visit a lost Angkor temple. He once had the thrill of being the first person in 3,000 years to enter an ancient Egyptian burial chamber in a tomb known as KV5 in the Valley of the Kings.

douglas preston is not just a fiction writer.

Portofino · 10/12/2009 19:52

Don't writers write about what interests them? I fail to see the argument that if you are a crime writer, you are not objective and only interested because it is salacious and nasty. And and also that you are a mac wearing weirdo, who hangs round police stations....WTF!

I would say that if you are a crime writer, you would actually have a higher than average knowledge of such subjects as legal and police procedure etc, as these things need to be researched to write a crime thriller. That doesn't make him an expert by any means, but I can't understand why you think he is not entitled to an objective opinion.

And there is still NO evidence that AK and RS were in that room!

dittany · 10/12/2009 20:03

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Portofino · 10/12/2009 20:10

There was a HAND print under the victim attributed to Guede. There was lots of HIS DNA in the room, but none of Amanda's and the ONLY trace attributed to Rafael was the bit on the bra catch which had been knocking round on the floor for 6 weeks. None on the rest of the bra.

Explain how they cleaned up THEIR DNA and left Guede's....

dittany · 10/12/2009 20:13

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DuelingFanjo · 10/12/2009 21:00

"Oh bollocks"

fair enough Dittany - I bow to your superior arguing skill.

DuelingFanjo · 10/12/2009 21:01

The bloody 'footprint' was not proven to be Knox's footprint. Anyway it was a SHOE print. They were not able to prove it was a print of Knox's shoe. It had the same pattern as the other shoe print which was positively matched to a pair of Guede's Nike shoes

The only shoe on the pillow which was properly identified as belonging to one of the three accused was the first footprint found and it was Rudy's without a doubt. Print number two showed only a little part of the middle of the shoe.

dittany · 10/12/2009 21:04

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ilovemydogandmrobama · 10/12/2009 21:21

The New Scientist article was quite interesting and highlighted the minute amount of DNA able to be recovered.

What is known about the chain of custody as one theory in the New Scientist article is that there is a strong possibility of it being contaminated.

DuelingFanjo · 10/12/2009 21:30

I did write a response to the rest of your post Dittany and then, yes, I chose not to hit 'post message'. The tedium became overwhelming.

You post no evidence about this man's 'obsession', you post your opinion along with some links to information about his books.

Portofino · 10/12/2009 21:44

Dittany, lots of Guede'd DNA was found in the room, on the victim's body and in her handbag. I'm not sure what sources you are reading at it seems to be completely at odds with ANY of the info I have read.

I would say there is much more doubt about Mignini's objectivity - he is already under investigation for other matters.

The other guy is just a writer. His objectivity or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with the case. He has written an article talking about his own experiences and giving his own opinion. You can agree with it or disagree with it. No harm done.

Personally I have no agenda. I want someone to prove beyond reasonable doubt that those people were in the room when Meredith was killed. And nothing at all that I have read has showed that to be the case.

Like the Colin Stagg case I mentioned earlier, there seems to be a determination to make the facts match the hypothesis rather than the other way round.

DuelingFanjo · 10/12/2009 21:59

I find it suspect that Migini had the crime solved before any DNA was analysed and that he changed the motive something like five times (Drugs, missing money, dislike of the victim, a sex game, no motive needed etc) in just a few months.

dittany · 10/12/2009 22:46

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DuelingFanjo · 10/12/2009 23:28

I wasn't being aggressive. Sorry that you have interpreted it that way.

blinks · 11/12/2009 00:05

LOTS of Guede's DNA was found at the crime scene dittany, that much is known to be true.

blinks · 11/12/2009 00:13

Greg Hampikian, director of the Idaho Innocence Project has issued a pdf report on the case which makes interesting reading HERE

DuelingFanjo · 11/12/2009 08:34

interesting report blinks.

I wonder if the Defence will be given access to all the items presented as evidence, and the reports. Seems crazy that anyone could think these two pieces of evidence confirm the guilt of Knox and Sollecito.

thedollyridesout · 11/12/2009 09:08

Re: the Idaho PDF, surely all that is required is to test any other random knife from Sollecito's drawer for the presence of dual DNA. The same for any random bra. To be very sure, all knives could be checked and all of Meredith's bras. The same DNA profile must not be found on any control items. Was this done? I can't find any reports in what I have read. I have read that the knife was selected intuitively from Sollectito's drawer as it was scrupulously clean. Thus one would not expect anything other than minute traces of DNA to be found.

ilovemydogandmrobama · 11/12/2009 09:20

Don't think so. They used a DNA technique to amplify the sample as it was so small which is very prone to contamination, so one of the questions is would be what was the chain of custody as this could be one explanation for the discrepancy of AK's DNA on the knife/clasp but absolutely nowhere else.

PrincessFiorimonde · 11/12/2009 09:37

I have read quite a lot about this case and I do believe that AK and RS are guilty as charged. Yes, some of the forensic evidence (for example) has been questioned. Questioning all the incriminating-seeming evidence is the role of the defence, isn't it? But I really do think we 'onlookers' (for want of a better word) must accept - as others on this thread have said - that we have read only newspaper and internet reports; we haven't sat in a court room for months and heard every piece of evidence.

Having said that, I quite understand why others have come to a different conclusion. And of course I know it's true that sometimes juries get it wrong. Let's hope there'll be more clarification in the course of the appeal.

However, in regard to this thread, I think DF has put her point of view across both cogently and politely. Dittany, even though I basically agree with you, you come across as quite aggressive; even rather rude (I'm sure that's unintentional).