The sad case of Meredith Kercher

[FreeGeorgeJackson]

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

Blimey, are we still here?

The story has slipped to about 5th/6th item on the national news, and mainly involves RS's lawyers (not Bongiorno, she's gone off to fry other fish) but some local chappie, saying Raffaele isn't taking all this very well. (diddums)

Telenorba is not just a local station, it is literally filmed in the ground floor apartment of a block of flats near here. I doubt it has more than abut 100 viewers, so really would doubt that its salacious filming of the crime scene counts for diddley squat. However, crime scenes, road crashes etc are all shown much more graphically here than the UK I've noticed, so wouldn't place any weight on such filming even if it were on the national channels.

Of course she does Dittany.

Personally I think that the evidence does not prove her guilty, that the questioning did not follow proper procedure and that she retracted her statement the evening after the questioning.

Maybe that's my spin but it is what I believe.

Lumumba was kept in prison for two weeks bevause tehy were waiting for DNA evidence and they were waiting to bring Guede back.

Do you really think that even if she had gone to the press/police/anyone and said 'I was wrong Lumumba didn't do it, I take it all back, hear me when I say this' that the police would have just let Lumuba go?

The police are the ones who kept him behind bars. Amanda's statement put him there but clearly (To me) the statement was made under an imense amount of pressure.

am finding this blog very interesting It's interesting to read a blog written at the time rather than reading stuff written much later.

Dittany - guessing your quote is an Italian translation of her words rather than her Amanda's written stuff?

But nonetheless - glad she's where she belongs along with the other two - hoping there is no US intervention and that she serves her full sentence in Italy.

Dueling - English law is considered to be a tool of lawyers rather than justice - we cannot compare the two systems - possibly the Italian system has an element of common sense rather than our CPS system of having so much evidence before a case can even get to court. No doubt if this had come before an English court it would have been thrown out - doesn't make her innocent though.

I don't think for a minute that it was a perfect trial - if it even exists - I think it was somewhat sexist but I think that her behaviour following the crime DOES count towards evidence and a jury found her guilty. I don't think the Italian state is anti-American - quite the reverse. Sollecito was also convicted.

Would be nice to see some remorse - I fear that the US backlash and threats of US intervention will a) be not great for Italy - a sovereign country believe it or not and b) the Kercher family who have been beyond dignified faced with the fact their daughter was murdered in way beyond the scope of imagination - they have to live with this for the rest of their lives.

I, for one, have zero sympathy for Amanda Knox. I have every sympathy for the victims.

I think that wanting to see remorse is pretty pointless. If she is Innocent then she just will not show remorse for something she hasn't done. If she is guilty then she has just spent 2 years trying to prove her innocence - what's the liklyhood that she will show remorse now?

People always say this - 'she's never shown any remorse' as if that automatically makes her an evil horroble person but if she is innocent then she wouldn't show remorse. It's a lose lose situation for her.

Amanda Knox AND Rafaele Sollecito (yes - he was found guity too) also have to live with this for the rest of their lives which must be awful if they are innocent. Nothing can change the fact that Meredith is dead and I feel incredible sympathy for the Kerchers but it is perfectly reasonable to feel sympathy for someone you bellieve has been falsely imprisoned.

"No doubt if this had come before an English court it would have been thrown out - doesn't make her innocent though."

and in a British Court it wouldn't make her guilty either.

i can't believe people are so naive that they don't believe a false confession can be very easily made under the intense pressure of interrogation.

this is an interesting paper about the psychology behind false confessions and police tactics.

as is common with false confessions dittany.

i'm guessing you didn't read the paper.

You're right though Dittany - she didn't make any kind of conession at all.

We all know she pointed the finger at Lumumba. no one is denying that.

Think most people will agree that pointing the finger at someone else is a pretty shitty thing to do but there certainly were reasons why she did, not least the police questioning her for hours and then pressing her on why she had a sent a text message to Lumumba. A text message they interpreted a certain way because it fit their the theory they already had. A text message which was just an innocent exchange between a boss and a worker.

In what way does this statement point to any guilt on her part?

confession

By which I mean confession of murder.

a false confession isn't always a confession of explicit guilt, it is often confessing involvement and changing your initial story.

implicating others, especially names put forward by the police is a common part of many false confessions.

the first case discussed in the paper is an excellent example of this.

lumumba was an initial POLICE suspect due to a text message they found. he wasn't put forward by AN until intense questioning.

No it wouldn't make her guilty - here it probably wouldn't have gone to court - but doesn't make her innocent.

I think we have to respect the legal process in the country she is in. The leading judge had quite a personality but that does not mean he's incompetent or has another agenda - it just makes their judicial system less staid than ours.

Meredith still forgotten in all of this. I cannot think of Ms Knox as a victim.

There are lots of miscarriages of justice - some even get out after a review - of those I wonder how many is because the accused were actually innocent or whether there was police fabricating evidence or a mistake in the process. Fabricating evidence as bad as it is does not make someone innocent though.

Do you mean me? DF?

As far as I am aware she told one big 'lie' and that was about being at the house and Patrick being there also.

I don't think her account of where she was is a lie.

I don't really know why Sollecito changed his statements.

I have no idea about the extra evidence. I know some of the trial was held behind closed doors. The kercher wanted the whole thing to be behind closed doors but that request was denied.

fabricating evidence means that evidence cannot and should not be used against a suspect.

and how about destroying evidence?

'computer experts' wrecked all three computers involved in the investigation, two of which would have contained evidence to back up RS's alibi (and in turn AN's original alibi) is SHADY.

What londonlottie said (except that I have read the whole thread).

X post. I meant londonlottie at 17.14.