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The sad case of Meredith Kercher

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FreeGeorgeJackson · 03/12/2009 18:11

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

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dittany · 08/12/2009 19:25

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selectivememory · 08/12/2009 19:33

I don't really see that salacious press reports necessarily = miscarriage of justice.

Also I imagine AK's parents are fairly naive re the general behaviour of their daughter. They probably genuinely believe she is whiter than white and are in denial as to her sexual behaviour generally.

wannaBe · 08/12/2009 20:13

how is a bloody footprint not evidence of a clean-up?

How do you make just one footprint on a rug without leaving a trail up to that rug? If it were specks of blood or even a handprint that would be one thing, but a footprint - I presume whoever it was didn't crawl to the bathroom and then accidentally get up, leaving just one footprint on the rug? More like they cleaned up the other prints and overlooked the one on the mat..

Also, there's a vast difference between the press assuming someone's guilt and them actually being found guilty in court.

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 20:18

There was a reason why AK and RS were outside the house with a mop. However the reasons given by AK and RS were not believed. Though I am unsure if they actually had a bucket, I think they just had the mop.

Incidentally no DNA or blood from the victim were found on the mop and bucket.

The fact that the foot belonged to Sollecito is another piece of evidence which has been disputed by the defence. I too have seen the pictures and the foorprint could easily be and is more likely to be Guede's. here

Earthstar the body was behind a locked door and IIRC the postal police got one of meredith's housemates boyfriend or friend to break it down.

Some information about the 'clean up'

ilovemydogandmrobama · 08/12/2009 20:23

I don't understand all the sexualizing of the case. Is there any objective evidence about this? Or is it a method to discredit AK?

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 20:29

The only DNA evidence which points to any sexual activity is evidence that Guede's dna was inside and on meredith's body. No DNA from AK and RS was found on her body. They did find Sollecito's DNA on a part of Meredith's bra along with several other people's DNA. THe defence thinks this evidence was contaminated as it was not taken from the crime scene for over 45 days.

There was no other DNA from AK and RS inside the bedroom where the murder took place.

The prosecutor announced to the press that the police had solved the case before Guede's DNA had been discovered. This was at the point that they had Patrick Lumumba, Knox and Sollecito in custody. it was at this time that the prosecutor said it was some kind of sex game gone wrong which had taken place between AK, RS and PL with meredith the victim.

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 20:31

The stories about amanda came from the fact that she had a vibrator in her washbag and also because people said that her and Meredith had argued about Amanda bringing men back to the house.

She also wrote a story which she had posted on a blog about rape. her parents say it was a school/college asignment. The press also saw on her social networking page that she had a nickname of 'foxy Knoxy' and took it to mean something sexual. It was actually a name given to her for her footballing skills.

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 20:34

and - according to wikipedia "Prosecutors allege that manga comics found in Sollecito's apartment recounted tales of killing female vampires on Halloween night and that many of the details in the comics were similar to the scene police discovered."

dittany · 08/12/2009 20:34

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DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 20:36

I don't know where she was if she wasn't at Sollecito's, Dittany, but there is no evidence to suggest she was in the room where the murder took place.

Amanda's DNa would have been on the knife that they think is the murder weapon as she made dinner at Sollecito's house more than once.

The DNA on the knife that they say is Merediths is disputed.

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 20:48

Patrick Lumumba was arrested on 6th November.

A warrant for Guede's arrest was not issued until 17/18th November.

Obviously when they arrested Patrick (because of AK's interrogation and statement to the police) they did not have DNA results back.

When they got the DNA results back there was overwhelming evidence that Guede had been in the room where the murder had taken place and had had some sexual contact with the victim.

At that point there was no evidence that Knox or Sollecito had been in the room where the murder took place. There was also no evidence that PL had been there. The released PL. They did not release AK and RS.

The prosecutor had already made statements that 3 people were involved, that it was a sexual crime.

Guede made a call to a friend from germany and said he had been at the house but he did not mention that Sollecito or knox were there. he said "Listen, you know I knew those girls, I knew them both, Meredith and Amanda, but nothing more, you know that. I've been to their house twice, the last time a few days before all this business, but I didn't do anything. I have nothing to do with this business. I wasn't there that evening. If they have found my fingerprints it means I must have left them there before"

Poppity · 08/12/2009 20:58

I just want to post this link again as a counter to the clean up one DF posted.

www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C356/

If you read through the friends of Amanda site, it is still difficult to make sense of what happened and the explanations for occurances which have been voiced as circumstancial evidence seem weak and somewhat convenient.

The explanations on Meredith's site make far more sense.

Those supporting AK, I realise the press have twisted things, but even put back in context the way she has behaved is bizarre and cold.

Someone mentioned earlier about her comments on Meredith's death- ok so she wasn't making a choking noise, but even if you say those exact same words in as caring a way as possible, it is still an uncaring and detached way to speak of it.
(sorry, hope you get the jist of that, bit muddled)
That is just one of the examples, she has said things and acted in ways which are unusual even given the pressure she is under- and what pressure was she under when she first went to the police station anyway? She was only there as a witness.

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:04

And finally - read this all the way through it was written in early 2008.

skihorse · 08/12/2009 21:15

Fanjo I fail to see how any supposedly exaggerated sexualisation of Amanda by the media makes her less guilty of murder.

Both whores and virgins are capable of murder. It's just illogical to suggest that she's innocent because she was "liberal".

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:17

I get it, and honestly I do understand that Knox's way of telling things could come over as cold but at the same time I think you have to take into account that these statements were made in a court many months after the murder and if she is innocent the whole thing must be really tough for her. She is just answering quesions put to her, possibly questions she has been asked many times before. It is possible that she has become de-sensitised to the actual murder given the time passed and the situation she found herself in.

Of course if you believe she's guilty then probably you have a different view.

I just don't think her behaviour or reactions proves she is guilty.

Does that make sense?

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:19

I have never ever suggested that " she's innocent because she was "liberal".

never. Not once!

Nor have I suggested she's innocent because the press have been a bit nasty to/about her.

I believe she is innocent because none of the presented evidence proves her guilty.

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:20

infact - I challenge you to find anywhere where I have. My discussion about her sexualisation was in response to a question which was asked.

dittany · 08/12/2009 21:21

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DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:21

in response to the question asked by ilovemydogandmrobama if you're having difficulty finding it!

skihorse · 08/12/2009 21:23

fanjo I had not realised you were in the courtroom and privvy to information shown only behind closed doors as per the request of MK's family, I do apologise.

She's been found guilty of murder, not of being "a little bit slutty".

If RS's lawyer couldn't get them off - nobody, but NOBODY could get them off. Guilty.

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:23

and I disagree with the jury. Sorry if I haven't made that at least a little bit obvious.

Prosecutors getting it wrong why they have appeals.

thankfully.

selectivememory · 08/12/2009 21:24

I dont think her behaviour or reaction proves she's innocent either!

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:25

"I had not realised you were in the courtroom and privvy to information shown only behind closed doors as per the request of MK's family, I do apologise."

I wasn't

wannaBe · 08/12/2009 21:25

df, why do you believe so strongly that she is innocent?

To the extent that you think that she has been framed by the authorities?

DuelingFanjo · 08/12/2009 21:25

"I dont think her behaviour or reaction proves she's innocent either!"

nor do I