The sad case of Meredith Kercher

[FreeGeorgeJackson]

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

If Knox is innocent, why all the mixed up stories about where she and Sollecito were? That is what I don't get.

well, quite, pofaced if they were so out of it neither of them knew where they were or who they with, how can they say what they did or didn't do? (And who they did or didn't do it to?)

Why?

I think it's basically the prosecutor would much rather see innocent people in jail than admit he was wrong to hold a press conference claiming the murder had been solved within days of the body being found.

Personally I think Guede did it alone. I also think that The prosecutor made his mind up that it was Patrick Lumumba when he saw his name in both Meredith and Amanda's phones and saw the text message from Amanda to Lumumba.

When DNA evidence pointed the finger at someone completely different he just shoved Guede into Lumumba's place and kept plowing ahead with his original fantasy of a sex game gone wrong.

Re the differing statements from Knox and Sollecito... I think both were told lies by the people questioning them, saying each had implicated the other. Amanda's Diaries certainly suggest this as does the statement she wrote where she asked 'why did Raphaelle lie? did he lie?'

No doubt at the same time that they were telling Amanda she would spend 30 years in prison and that she must have seen or heard something they were telling Raphaelle that they had evidence that Amanda was there and that he must be lying.

Dirty tricks.

though am sure as someone is bound to point out, what I think doesn't really matter in light of all the really definite DNA evidence!

I don't believe it was staged to look like a rape. I think it was an attempted rape.

I think it's possible that the break in was staged as I think it's entirely possible that Meredith was surprised either on her way home or as she got to the house or that the dodgy lock meant that Guede got in all by himself.

He didn't go to the disco until much later. Also the time of the attack and death has never been exact fully determined.

Do you think the sexual contact between Meredith and Guede was consentual Dittany?

I think the evidence saying there was more than one person there is not to be trusted. The prosecution merely showed how more than one person might have inflicted the wounds, they did not prove that to be the case though.

You think someone else staged a rape scene though? What motive would they have had to have done that?

You don't have to go into details.

I just wonder why you think that someone other than Guede would have staged a rape scene.

I guess it all depends on which expert you 'believe'.

Each 'side' had a different version of possibility.

I've been watching this thread a while. It's starting to grate watching you all base your arguements on the scant information the press choose to give you. With respect you don't know the half of it and all this speculation is getting gruesome.

Meredith Kercher was a truly lovely girl who was simply not the type to be involved in a "sex game gone wrong" as some have implied.

Amanda Knox is a highly functioning and manipulative individual, more than capable of this crime and the little girl lost routine that has ensued. Please save your sympathies.

no one has implied that have they Bark? Everyone has said that is sordid speculation. Deepest sympathies if you knew Meredith.

Am sorry for your loss Bark.

How do you know Amanda?

Bark - loving the fact you're complaining about others "basing arguments on the scant information the press choose to give.."

You're not doing that at all, are you?

that's the prosecution's theory Bark.

if you don't like the tone of this discussion you have the freedom to not take part if it's starting to grate.

i personally haven't mentioned Meredith Kercher's personality or moral code because it's not been brought into question.

Amanda Knox's sexuality however is constantly referred to however, as if owning a sexual aid, purchasing underwear and having consensual sex with adults is somehow an indication of one's capability to commit a horrendous murder and rape, regardless of no previous historical acts of violence, aggression or sexual deviance.

i'm very surpised that so many women can sit back and watch (and in many cases agree) such mosogynistic tactics. the 'madonna Vs whore' narrative created by the police and prosecution is unfathomably unrealistic.

my sympathies extend to all the families involved in this sorry situation.

I don't know amanda. Nor did I know Meredith personally. I have just been privy to extra information on the case as I know one of her siblings.
I can't say anymore and have namechanged as they'd hate for me to comment but I just wanted to speak out against sympathisers for Knox on this thread because Meredith's family is destroyed and they were so close. It's so so sad. I do pity AKs family too, it must be very hard to come to terms with.

Busy and Blink, I've no interest in a row, nor am I mimicking anything from the press - I am well versed in media gatekeeping/sensationalisation of stories, it was once my field. Just sticking up for a friend who is deeply hurt and doesn't need to read any more attention or sympathy for Knox.

i don't understand how it follows directly that if you believe the prosecution to be questionable, you're automatically against Meredith and her family.

it goes without saying that their grief must be unimaginable.

thankfully though we live in a society with free speech and freedom of press.

have you seen the video footage of her 'snogging' her boyfriend dittany?

she pecks him three times on the lips while he strokes her arm in a comforting manner.

i see nothing suspicious in that behaviour.

My sympathies go to the family and friends of Meredith. May she RIP.

The family of Knox must be devastated too. I hope they find a way to live with this.

I haven't seen enough or know enough to judge whether Knox is guilty or not.

All very strange.

I do wish the papers would work out that Knox is the bad guy in all this and NOT in any way a victim, she is vile and why Clinton would want to get involved and the USA be in uproar about the verdict is beyond me, she murdered a young gilr FFS let her rot

"not that it has anything to do with her guilt or innocence, is that if Knox really was the quirky person who turned cartwheels and stuck her tongue out and snogged her boyfriend to deal with stress, the way she did after her flatmate had been brutally murdered, to be consistent you'd have expected her to be turning cartwheels in the courtroom when the guilty verdict came down. I don't think that happened though."

what a weird thing for that person on that talk board to say. Why on earth would they be expecting her to do cartwheels as the verdict was announced.

I've read a lot of stuff on forums and it always seems strange to me that the people who think Knox is guilty always want to talk about her cartwheels and 'snogging' despite the fact that the prosecution claimed they have cast iron DNA. Surely anyone who really wants to have a convincing argument about the case would want to talk about the actual evidence presented in court?

They also never seem to have anything much to say about the fact that Sollecito was 'snogging' his girlfriend.

Sometimes I think a lot of people beliveve Knox did this alone. There are some scary firums out there and a lot of people on them already thought Amanda Knox was a she-devil even before there was any DNA evidence at all.

It doesn't really matter what people on forums say about Amanda and whether comment is passed about Sollecito snogging his girlfriend. They weren't the ones making the decision as to whether there was guilt or not. And the fact of it is that Sollecito was convicted of the crime in the same way Knox was despite the alleged witch hunt against Amanda. I live in Rome and I would just like to back up what Bucharest, Franca and others said earlier in this thread. There has been no sensationalism here in Italy about the case. There are no big tabloids here to sensationalise the story.The newspapers are super serious broadsheets which take a week to read! The TV over recent months has (as ever) been full of half naked dancing girls, football or programmes discussing our Prime Ministers latest scandal. And that's it! The idea that huge media pressure and desire for a conviction has led to a miscarriage of justice just doesn't sit with the reality of what has happened here. I don't believe the people involved with the decision spent their time trawling and translating English language internet sites and newspapers to glean sensationalised facts to affect their decision. The idea that it is down to anti Americanism sentiment is rubbish. Italy is not anti-American. Being against Bush has not fuelled it's people with a passionate desire for revenge by locking up US citizens for crimes they didn't commit. And Sollecito was also convicted, an Italian from a well connected family. My DP works for a newspaper here and he says the case hasn't even been discussed at work amongst his colleagues whereas big cases and scandal here normally spark heated discussion in the office, the editor in chief dropping hints of scandal gleaned from his many connections etc etc. Also this idea that Italy would automatically assume guilty a girl who was sexually active, had a vibrators etc is also rubbish. Italy has many issues in relation to the position of women in society but uptight re sexuality Italians are not.Sex scandals don't have the same impact here as they do in the Anglo Saxon world. A terrible crime, a tragedy for all involved - definitely. A miscarriage of justice and trial by media - I just don't see it.

Gio a superb and much needed post!!! I salute you!!!