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The sad case of Meredith Kercher

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FreeGeorgeJackson · 03/12/2009 18:11

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

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DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 13:29

"What is the position of Guede, the man already convicted? Didn't he opt for a fast track trial and was found guilty? Does he still maintain his innocence? Can he still appeal? If ne has no chance of appeal, and has a life sentence, then presumably he might be expected to admit his guilt and any involvement of others? (Assuming of course, he is guilty, and Knox and Sollecito were involved too?)"

before I go.

He is appealing.

His story is that he was not incolved in the murder but he was at the flat when it happened. He has changed his story several times. He had a fast track trial apparently as he feared the other two had formed some kind of pact.

He only said that the other two were there after he had had time to read all the reports about their arrest. he fled to Germany after the murder.

Bucharest · 05/12/2009 13:39

He confessed so was given the maximum sentence allowed for under such circumstances 30 yrs, not life. They didn't confess, so could have been given life, they weren't, due to their age and because of being of previous good character.

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 13:44

Did he confess to murdering her Bucharest?

Lulumama · 05/12/2009 13:48

there seems to have been far more media focus on Amanda Knox, and in portraying her as a drug fuelled, narcissistic sex addict. i think a decision was made before it even came to trial, to make an example of this young woman. the eveidence, is IMO , flawed

if she was behaving so oddly, perhaps that was evidence of a disordered mind, rather than a cold blooded killer

and barely a word about her co accused, all the focus on her, and salacious details

Bucharest · 05/12/2009 14:02

Guede said he was present in the apartment when she died, and that he was guilty "only of not saving her".

Make of that what you will....

Lulu- we kind of get the opposite here (I'm in the south of Italy near where Sollecito is from) we hear a lot about him, and not that much about her.

dittany · 05/12/2009 14:09

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Lulumama · 05/12/2009 14:12

it's trial by media , bucharest, isn;t it? there was no hope of a fair trial, she was found guilty before the trial started.

giveitago · 05/12/2009 14:16

Bucharest - what do the media make of solecito there?

Last time I was in south italy (not your little bit though) which was at the beginning of the trial it was all about the foreigners - the 'African', the 'American who is a whore' and the poor little Italian boy who was influenced by these terrible other people and he's of course, innocent, as he's from a ' good family'.

Can't (be arsed to) read Italian so didn't read their papers - just listening to people's views.

What was the view then and now?

Nancy66 · 05/12/2009 14:17

I would imagine she was found guilty because:

She repeatedly lied
She constantly changed her story
She had no real alibi
Her behaviour was inappropriate and suspicious
The murder weapon was found at her lover's home.
She wrongly accused an innocent man
She never once pointed the finger at Guede the dangerous drug dealer with whom she was acquainted.

Megatron · 05/12/2009 14:22

Does anyone who believes that Knox and Sollecito are innocent have any theories of what may have happened that night or how Meredith Kercher came to be murdered in such a brutal way? That's a genuine question, not a sarky one.

dittany · 05/12/2009 14:24

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Francagoestohollywood · 05/12/2009 14:29

Maybe it's been a trial by media in the UK. Certainly not as much here.
I don't think the Italian media has been that obsessed by this tragic murder. Certainly not as obsessed as it's been with other high profile (and equally tragic) murders, like for instance the murder of 3 yr old Samuele Lorenzi, killed with an unidentified object in his bed.
His mother - the main suspect - appeared on prime time tv on a regular basis until she was found guilty. She is now serving something like 20 yrs in prison.

BitOfFun · 05/12/2009 14:31

I think the defence for Knox/Sollecito have argued that it was rape/murder by Guede.

The more I read, the more I am coming round to this view. But the jury heard all the evidence, not me, so...

I thought the way Knox in particulat behaved afterwards was odd, inapproprate, and disrespectful. But now I'm starting to think that this doesn't make her a murderer. It will be interesting to see what new information the appeal brings up.

None of this takes away from the terrible death of that poor young woman though. It is just so sad.

Bucharest · 05/12/2009 14:36

I agree with Franca (not surprisingly) It's not been sensationalised here. (hey, we have our Prime Minister romping about with 18 yr olds and a transexual burned to death after more political shenanigans if we want sensationalism) I think also, the fact that 3 out of the 4 protaganists were not Italian means it's perhaps received less, not more, media interest in a way.

It's been high profile (attracting the "best" lawyers) because of its nature, young girl, brutal murder, yes, in the same way as the other case Franca mentioned, but not more than you would expect for such a case. (I only heard the Foxy Knoxy thing yesterday for example, when shots of her facebook page were shown briefly)

But take today for example, on the news channel I watched it was the second story, after the march against Berlusconi taking place in Rome.

Francagoestohollywood · 05/12/2009 14:42

I feel like I have to add that I don't watch Italian tv that much (can't stand it. I miss the bbc!!!) so I might have missed most of the sensationalism of this case.

sherby · 05/12/2009 14:45

What doesn't seem clear to me is that it is supposed to be 'beyond all reasonable doubt' isn't it?

It all seems such a tangle and they have obviously seen/heard evidence we haven't.

QueenofDreams · 05/12/2009 15:09

I think this is one of those cases where we'll never know what happened.
This was a crime that happened behind closed doors. The only people who know for definite what happened that night are lying and changing their stories constantly.
It must be horrendous for both girls' families though.
DP is of the opinion that it was a sex game that someone took a bit too far I'll admit I find that hard to believe myself. How is cutting someone's throat part of a sex game?

dittany · 05/12/2009 15:48

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BitOfFun · 05/12/2009 15:59

You can say it again if you like, but it doesn't make it any more likely. Knox knew him slightly, and Sollecito had never even met him, as far as the police could ascertain.

dittany · 05/12/2009 16:06

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Ponders · 05/12/2009 16:11

I thought the knife with KNox's DNA on the handle & Meredith's on the blade was found in Sollecito's apartment?

(sorry if this has been mentioned but I've seen refs to knox's DNA being there because she lived there so why was it evidence?)

Will finish reading thread now...

BitOfFun · 05/12/2009 16:15

I don't know about the phones- but if they were having a night alone together getting stoned, I can see why they might.

The knife thing is odd- everything I've read suggests the knife at Sollecito's didn't match Meredith's wounds or the wipe mark on the bedclothes. Knox's DNA was on the handle, but she did prepare food at his apartment, so that is plausible. Apparently the DNA at the tip of the knife that the prosecution said was Meredith's was so minute as to be inconclusive, was destroyed by testing, and would not be admissable in many other countries' legal systems.

I'll see if I can find a link about it- those sort of details are making me think twice, but I guess we will never know.

BitOfFun · 05/12/2009 16:16

The forensics

dittany · 05/12/2009 16:17

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Nancy66 · 05/12/2009 16:18

Guede was a known local drug dealer. Knox knew him and has admitted doing drugs including the night of the murder - it's not unreasonable to assume Guede was her dealer.

Guede had a history of violence, Knox had an unhealthy obsession with rape. But the two together, mix it with drugs and alcohol and an immature and infatuated boy dating a girl way out of his league....just wildly speculating, of course but I can picture it.

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